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Opioids fatal insufflation?

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I had an optiate-addicted friend who was being very melodramatic (as is his nature) who one night said he was trying to kill himself via snorting his pills (he would snort vidocin and hydrocodone nd all that which of course have too much APAP so they can't absorb properly) but it got me to thinkin... could one possibly kill themselves by snorting a purer pill such as dilaudid or oxycontin? I mean, orally you can defintely OD but your stomach rejects it after a certain poiint and causes you to vomit up the offending chemical. Would it even be possible to ave a fatal overdose from a stronger, purer opioid like those I mentioned above?

(This is a question I was just curious about from more of a biochemistry angle, not out of any kind of desire to kill myself. I just was curious if snorting has the potential for fatality in the the same way that IV use does.)
 
Yes. Enough opiates cause respiratory failure. Doesn't matter what the route of ingestion is. I would consider any threat of suicide serious and not just being a drama queen. It's definitely a cry for help. Opiate addiction is a painful way of life. Death starts to become a great second option at certain periods.

Your brains whole reward system is fucked up. You stop feeling good about yourself. You start to think you are worthless, useless, a loser, etc. At times you feel you'd be better off dead. If this is someone you consider a friend I would consider offering help or send help their way somehow.
 
Of course he can still overdose. Opiates are famous for the nod effect. His respiratory system could begin to fail and he wouldn't even notice.

I agree with what lozgod said; being a drama queen is one thing, threatening/attempting suicide or even talking about it is a whole new game. Drama queen or not, it should be taken seriously and as a cry for help. I suggest alerting someone close to him that can be with him at all times or at least keep a VERY close eye on him in case he really does try to overdose. The good thing about opiate overdoses is that they can be reversed immediately with a drug called naloxone (Narcan). I once overdosed when I was given Dilaudid; the person said it was Oxy, so I had no idea I was taking something exponentially stronger... but the Narcan saved my freaking life. It's not comfortable at all- it causes you to go into immediate withdrawal- but it reverses all overdose effects, including respiratory failure. He might be uncomfortable as shit for a few days, and in a lot of pain, but at least he won't be dead.

Seriously, please don't just write this off as him just being a drama queen... this is serious. Especially if he is addicted to opiates. The life of an opiate addict is hard indeed; it is not at all glamorous, and after a while all it does it make you feel worthless, useless, and stuck in a never-ending cycle.
 
You can overdose from all routes of administration. And it isn't true that you puke up the substance if you took to much (in the OD sence) you just OD and die from OD causes.

And it is very much possible to OD from Vicodin and such meds with paracetamol.
 
Nasal administration is actually a fairly dangerous route due to the delayed absorption, especially with something like heroin. The initial effects are only a portion of the total effects and people often redose before all of the drug is absorbed, leading to OD. Something else that should be mentioned is that many pills contain talc, and snorting them regularly brings with it the possibility of talcosis of the lungs.
 
This girl afoaf was with od off one bag of heroin spiked with fent and she was just sniffimg the shit
 
@lozgod & xburtonchic

This was quite a long time ago, the friend I mentioned here is actually in jail now on drug-related charges, which is sad and sucks but he was probably the heaviest pill-head I've ever met, and he really is a decent guy and he's got a little son now so I'm hoping he can make the best of a bad situation and use this time to become stronger. He was always saying, "I hate my life," like a catchphrase and the reason I said he was being melodramatic is because of the details of the situation and things I know/knew about him as a person, and if he sincerely wanted to OD he probably could have, because he had access to much stronger pills.

Thank you to everyone who answered my question, and thanks for correcting that bit of misinformation DeLee... someone had told me that you couldn't. I'm guessing that the truth is somewhere more along the lines of that you would be less likely to fatally overdose or that you would need a much larger amount.
 
ravaged_eden said:
Thank you to everyone who answered my question, and thanks for correcting that bit of misinformation DeLee... someone had told me that you couldn't. I'm guessing that the truth is somewhere more along the lines of that you would be less likely to fatally overdose or that you would need a much larger amount.
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Yes its true Vicodin & Percocet is pretty low on the narcotic part Hydrocodone/Oxycodone.

Another thing to keep in mind when using these meds with apap is that acetaminophen(paracetamol) is hard on the liver.
Its adviced to not take doses greater than 4gram of acetaminophen / per day. If you take more you rais the chance of potential liver damage. (Do not take doses like 10grams per day every day for weeks)

If your liver gets that badly damaged by acetaminophen so that you die - then its a slow and painfull way to go. IF you even die, maybe you end up in a vegetable state.
 
damn that must be alot of powder! i think his nostrils would clog before he could get enough hydro in his system to produce respiratory failure
 
I wonder how much powder Vicodin would produce anyway.

lol my ex once convinced me to snort a line of .25mg Xanax. I was AMAZED at the amount of powder such a small pill could produce. It was ridiculous. lol I couldn't even make it through the whole line, and even that made my nose feel like it was on fire.

*shudder*
 
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I wonder how much powder Vicodin would produce anyway.
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A lot. The first thing I ever snorted was a few crushed up 7.5/750 Vicodins. Nothing like snorting 1500mg of APAP to get a small opiate buzz. Well, back then it was a big opiate buzz but still. Snorting Vicodin (or anything with APAP in it) is a bad idea and you'd most likely overdose on the APAP way before you got to a dangerous level of the opiate in question.

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lol my ex once convinced me to snort a line of .25mg Xanax. I was AMAZED at the amount of powder such a small pill could produce. It was ridiculous. lol I couldn't even make it through the whole line, and even that made my nose feel like it was on fire.

*shudder*
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Snorting benzos is pointless just FYI :)
 
I don't know about Vics but oxycodone has a higher bio-availability orally and CWE is pretty easy. The desired substances are very water soluble. Makes a lot more sense to just do a CWE and drink it vs snorting a bunch of powder thats just gonna end up down your throat and in your stomach anyway.
 
Neighborhood; there needs to be a "laughing" smiley face, because it is so appropriate for what you said regarding snorting benzo's. Pointless, indeed. The only thing THAT got me was an intense burning in my face for about an hour and horrible drips... no high whatsoever. I have no idea what the hell my ex was thinking; but then again, he is my ex for a reason ;)
 
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