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Fast methadone taper help

Yeah doctors are assholes I have quite a few stories of being treated like shit because of my addiction. He's fucking clueless like so many doctors are about opiate withdrawal. It's funny to think about but I trust the average bluelighter way more then the average doctor when it comes to drugs and addiction. It's a little disconcerting when you get really educated and realize that alot of what doctors tell you simply isn't true. So yeah your a real drug user now or something I guess lol.

I would do the taper and kiss his ass next time. Tell him precisely what he wants to hear because when you need opiates you have to play there little game.
 
That's exactly what I'm going to do CJ. I've always been honest with him and that's how he treats me. Yeah I'm a hardcore drug user according to him. I had never even used cannabis until I tapered lol. What's funny is WHY he said I was an addict. Had nothing to do with me being on opiates. It all boiled down to me taking the methadone after I had tapered off. He said there was no need in that because at 9 days there wasn't any way I was in wd's. And if I was addicted and asking him for help that's how he would have went about helping me? So whatever he's a jerk. I'll just do my taper and keep him until I'm in pm then find another dr.
 
That's I think the best plan for the time being badbarbie. Keep you head up, as there is a light at the end of the tunnel. One day this experience will only give you more reason to feel good about the place you find yourself, no longer having to put up with this kinda bullshit. Sometimes it is good to dream :)
 
Overslept so only have a sec to post. I slept 4 hours straight which never happens. So my body is clearly exhausted. I talked to my boss last night and told him I was having health issues. He pretty much told me to take off as long as I need and he'd rather have me come to work when I can give 100%. And I'd have a job when I come back. Of course this would all be unpaid leave so financially I can't just take off for weeks at a time. I'm in a lot of pain now but I don't think the oxy would help since I'm on the methadone would it? And that would mean I'd have less when I get to the end of my taper. I'm going to work this morning to let him know my decision but I can't do my job in this much pain. I don't know anything about how much roxi it would take to work while on 15mg methadone. If anyone has info would you mind sharing? I couldn't tell it was working on day 1-9 of zero but that could have been because of how severe my wd's were. If I could take 1 and it relieve some of my pain I could work until I really needed time off. But if it's going to take a lot then it's not worth going to work and using up all I have. Hope everyone has a good day

?Barb
 
CJ do you think the reason they weren't working when I took them before is because my wd's were so severe? I thought once I was at zero they would work but I couldn't tell I had taken them. I think I can work thru the taper if I could get some pain relief. Maybe 1 just isn't enough because of how bad the pain is. I will take 1 now and just see what happens.
 
Been about 45 minutes since taking 1 oxy and can't tell I took anything. I'm going to go down to 10mg tomorrow maybe once I taper down further it will help.
 
I think it's a tolerance issue. Unfortunately tapering further may not help the situation because tolerance is at least semi permanent. One of the downsides of mmt
 
Methadone changed the way I am able to "receive" opiates mentally. I don't ever experience euphoria when I use. Whether it's by oral administration or IV.

I haven't taken methadone in years. The change has definitely been permanent. They still help for pain though.
 
This one did nothing for my pain. If it's a tolerance issue I'm guessing I'd need more than one. I'll try 2 tomorrow and see if that helps for future reference. I'm only working this week and next. Then I'll take off so I can focus on the taper/transition. It's going to be tight financially but my boss made it very clear he needs me at 100%. I'm not able to give him that right now. I'm guessing it will only get worse once I get to 5mg and below. This is one of the hardest things I've ever done.
 
At my appt last month my dr seemed to think I should be able to switch painlessly from low dose methadone over to the oxy 6 times a day. I argued that I'd need a long acting to replace the methadone since its long acting. But he said "he'd seen it done hundreds of times" So has anyone heard of that being done? I tried it but I was taking between 1-3 at a time once I got to zero and didn't get any relief at all! Was that because I tapered from 100-0 in 12 days?

I had a bad evening/night I started vomiting around 5pm and was up all night sick. I'm supposed to be on my way to Nashville right now and I can't even get out of bed. I dropped to 10mg and can def tell. Trying to get to 5 as quick as possible because my bottle is getting lower and lower everyday. That's so scary to know you only have so much to work with. I know you guys are sick of hearing me ask so many questions. I'm sorry if I'm being a big baby. I've always thought of myself as a pretty strong person but I tell ya this taper/detox is kicking my butt. I hate that something has so much control over me and my life.
 
Your not being a baby in fact you seem really strong. I think you need to stay at 10mg for the time being. Tapering too fast is the same as not tapering and you are already ahead of schedule. Don't drop your dose again until you feel stable. If you can acclimate at 10mg for 5 days to a week the jump to oxy will be much smoother. In fact the doctor at my clinic believes that your not fully acclimated to a dose decrease until it holds you for 48 hours.
 
To echo cj - you are in no way a baby. What you're doing is grueling. You do it w a great attitude. I don't think I'd be able to keep such an articulate journal. Or journal at all-and others consider me very strong IRL. You are amazing Barb. Don't doubt that for one second.

I think you are also very selfless-taking the time to publicly document your experience. You have no idea of the number of others you are helping and will help with this You are going to look back at this and see how incredible you've done. This is not for the faint of heart. <3
 
Hey Barbie you are one tough cookie and not a baby at all.. You can definitely make the switch to short acting opiods from a low enough methadone dose if you can do a slow enough taper. You failed last time because you basically almost walked off your 100mg daily dose cold turkey by doing such a quick taper. You have already lowered your dose a LOT.

How much methadone do you have left? So I can help you with the rest of your taper and transition.

You definitely need to stay at 10mgs for at least a few days preferably at least 5 because you have already been dropping rather fast. Then you could possibly drop a mg a day for 5 days and than sit at 5 for a few days. Then drop a mg every couple of days. This is still a fairly fast taper and it would be preferable to go a bit slower if you have more methadone but at such low methadone doses making the transition should not be all that difficult... esp... 6x30mgs of oxy a day. That should be more than enough. I think you will be surprised at how much lower your tolerance will be this time. Let us know about how much you have left and we can help you to reach that goal. Keep asking questions and we love you doll.

This is a very difficult process. If you want to see someone acting like a baby go on over to my recovery journal called "Back on the Sober Wagon"... lol.. the epitome of a big baby but then again I don't care. I will do anything to succeed even if that means losing my shit and whining sometimes. For me this is a matter of life or death and I have to fight to get to where I need to get. If that means whining and crying to let it all out and reach out for help so be it. It's gonna happen cause I'm not going to sit and keep it in just to look tough and slowly disintegrate under the weight of my own pride.

You're doing great and are right where you need to be.. You're awesome and are one badass Barbie;)

Love ya girl <3Somni
 
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Not true Somni. You are doing awesome. There are different variables involved - all of our journeys are different. It's very brave to put yourself out there as you have. I respect that. <3
 
^^Thank you 10years... You are such a sweetheart and my #1 supporter and cheerleader. I really do <3 U... It has really helped to keep that journal because I have been able to see exactly where my thoughts have been at different times so I am able to see my progress, setbacks and mindset patterns but also where there are things that I definitely need to take action on and change and I often find that once I have gotten the thoughts out in print that they lose power over me.... Plus I get invaluable feedback and support. Especially from you my xoxoxo SLipp buddy. Drop me a PM because I really must know how you have been doing. After all.... You don't have a journal for me to be able to keep up with and your process and current status is important to me. I truly do care..<3Somni
 
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Thanks 10years, Somni! I'm glad I have somewhere to come whine an not be judged. Everyone here (including my dr) seems to think in just weak. Which I know I'm not because I've survived so much physically and emotionally in my 30+ years of life. But it's so easy to let these people in my head.

I don't know how much methadone I have left but the bottle gets smaller everyday. I measured it after spilling an entire bottle and it's somewhere on here. I'll go back and find it and post. Also my roxis are 20mg not 30. I was in a lot of pain yesterday so I took 2 since 1 did nothing and it helped some but not like I thought. I took another 10 mg today. But I seem to remember when talking to TPD that I wouldn't have enough to do 30,20,15,10,987654321. I would have to go 20,15,10,5 then 4321. Seems like it was around 400mg measuring wih a teaspoon. But they may be wrong. Im not thinking straight today. So the drop from 10-5 is going to suck since that's half a dose. And dr dick seemed not to care. Well I know he doesn't since he yelled at me for 20 minutes and called me weak. This is my last chance and I'm afraid I will run out of roxi if I'm already having to take them now at 10mg.

This depression sucks! Stuff that I had buried deep down from years and years ago came to surface and I'm not good at dealing with feelings in general especially not those kind. I'm not someone who cries ever. I've always been able to hold it in and take care of everyone else. Now I'm a mess. I cry over nothing. Is that normal or am I literally losing my shit?

Somni I'm so glad to see you posting. I tried to pm you a couple days ago I see how you were doing but aome weird message popped up on the screen. Hope you are feeling better.



?Barb
 
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Ok I went back over every post since I measured the methadone and subtracted what I posted I'd taken and it looks like I should have almost 300mg left. Now this is not 100% as I'm a lil scatter brained right now but it should be close. I know for a fact I have 2 sealed bottles of 100mg and the little bottle has almost as much in it as one of those sealed bottles. Also my carpet holds about 3-400mg from when I spilled it. Lol that was a crappy joke, I know

I told my boss on the phone that I may not work next week. He's great but he doesn't understand "light duty" I'm known for doing 100 things at once, while driving and eating. I can't do that now. I originally told him I'd work this week and next. Then take off how ever many days. I'm just not physically or emotionally able to. Has anyone ever had to take off for long periods before? Without giving a mile long list I will just say that I don't even get a 15 min break. I haven't seen an 8 hour day (usually 12-14) in 3 years or more. I eat lunch in the car from one appt to the next. I could tell last week he was frustrated at me. I'm thinking just take off until I feel able to go back. This will put me in a tight spot financially but my mother told me bills aren't as important as my health. Which makes sense but it won't help if my car, house, ect.. is repo'd right? Just curious how others felt.

?Barb
 
If your work has a HR department ask about FMLA. It gives you time off while legally preserving your job in theory. Just be aware that some employers will start looking for a reason to fire you after something like this. Best to start polishing up the resume anyway. You should take it before you get fired so your insurance will be preserved. It may be a state to state thing so ask your hr department or call a lawyer.

Your mom's right in theory but if you lose your insurance this will all be for nothing and you will probably have to go back to the clinic. This aspect of our society frustrates me too no end. Hang in there.

Back to the taper there is no reason for you to lower your dose right now. Your at a critical juncture you need to let your brain acclimate. I can tell by the time of your posts that all this is taking a toll.

Hang in there!
 
Thanks cj I'm trying to hang in there. I know for sure I won't lose my job. Well I'm pretty sure. In over 3 years I've never taken any real time off. A day here and there but I didn't even use my vacation last year. I guess I'm mostly worried about money. Which isn't as important as my health. I'm going to take the weekend and think about how much time I would need and call him Monday. I think I can get by financially if I don't take any more than 6 weeks off. 4 would be better if I can do it in that amount. He said take as long as I need. I work for a locally owned company. The owner lives less than a mile from me. So it's pretty much like family there. I haven't told them exactly what I'm doing but he knows my health problems so he's not being a jerk about time off.
 
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