Fancy a Drink? If Alcohol Were Reported Fairly...

[BecomingJulie]

If causing people to behave irrationally counted as "causing harm", then I think most illegal drugs would score much higher on the "harm to others" scale.

Still, the presentation of that graph is a bit misleading.

All opioids are basically hormone mimics, and can be completely safe for indefinite use if and only if purity and dosage are strictly controlled. The most dangerous aspect of street heroin is the variable quality, a direct consequence of prohibition.

 

[Raasyvibe]

Alcohol was number 1 - above crack and heroin by quite a margin. Did you not see the chart? Did you not understand what the research said? 'Harm to users' (by definition, per person) is higher for alcohol than heroin and crack - if you disagree, take it up with nut and the lancet

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CORRECTION: Sorry, i should have checked the details of that graph before waffling - i assumed that the dark 'harm to users' bar overlapped the other bar, but after looking it up i don't think they do - from the paper: http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(10)61462-6/abstract

HA HA HA...


Are you actually telling me, that on the graph produced 3 times on this thread to disprove my critique.... You actually read the bar Graph's wrong, and the study, in fact, completely justifies my argument??

hahahahahaahahahahah


Sorry it's extremely unchristian to gloat. But this is now undeniably Game. Set. MATCH. hahaha

/cunt


The study I'm still extremely dubious about regardless, "harm to others" - how exactly do they measure the heartache accrued from losing someone you loved to these drugs?? And having suffered mental problems such as panic disorder and general anxiety disorder from moderate MDxx use, I have a very hard time accepting it's about 3x safer than drinking booze.

indefinite use if and only if purity and dosage are strictly controlled

That's the point isn't it. How many heroin users have a strictly controlled dosage.

 

[Vurtual]

Sorry it's extremely unchristian to gloat. But...

You said it. (i did ask for it though )

Well, anyway, alcohol is still much more harmful than all the drugs i take (regularly), so there

 

[Si Dread]

OK, it might be more addictive than one illegal drug. And i could probably add a few more to your list. But, so what? The article suggests it's more dangerous than ALL and that was what I was contesting.

But cocaine is said to be amongst the most addictive drugs, that's why I used it to compare to alcohol. There may be other drugs equally harmful, but also many that are considerably less harmful than alcohol.

Alcohol causes more harm to more people than illegal drugs, because they are used by more people than illegal drugs. I doubt anyone would argue that point & that is the rather simple point being made by the original article. The article claims that alcohol kills more than any other drug, & the only truly solid argument against that is that, in fact, tobacco is the biggest killer.

If we're looking only at the numbers, not ratios of users, alcohol is the second deadliest drug then, is it?

 

[Raasyvibe]

You said it. (i did ask for it though )
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lol, in fairness it would have been more humiliating if it was me who spotted the error. You've managed to restore credibility by retracting your argument.

If we're looking only at the numbers, not ratios of users, alcohol is the second deadliest drug then, is it?

Indeed. And that's why it's flawed, because it should be looking at ratios if it's to fairly assess their dangers - look at your graph from Nutty for the proof.

Give it up now, Si. Let's have a beer and put this one behind us

 

[Ms Mermaid]

someone link the whut are you drinking thread and Ill love them long time

thanks in advance

 

[VitamaN]

Sounds like a state of alcohol induced Alzheimers. That's fucking scary .

 

[One Thousand Words]

OTW, have you ever considered that you might be an alcoholic?

My teenage daughter has never seen me drunk. My staff don't even think I drink let alone use drugs. If I'm an alcoholic God help most of you poor fucks

I'll usually have a beer with dinner and a couple with my mates once a month. I'm about to wander down to the water, smoke a spliff and order a tropical cocktail with an umbrella on top waiting for the mrs to finish her work meetings. More chance of being eaten by a FNQ croc today than alcohol killing me

 

[BecomingJulie]

That's the point isn't it. How many heroin users have a strictly controlled dosage.

The few rich ones who manage to get hold of a supply of proper, pharmaceutical-grade diamorphine and keep a habit going for years without anyone finding out.

 

[One Thousand Words]

Quite a few of them still overdose

 

[BecomingJulie]

Yes; usually on street gear, when they are forced to by exceptional circumstances.

 

[One Thousand Words]

Source?

 

[steewith2ees]

The few doctors / pharmacists who manage to get hold of a supply of proper, pharmaceutical-grade diamorphine keep a habit going for years without anyone finding out.

Ive slightly edited your quote julie ;-)

 

[One Thousand Words]

Plenty of street junkies can maintain a habit for years too. That's not saying much though

Personally I wouldn't call needing the warm cloak of a opiate habit really functioning. I'd only imagine the shit storm that would exist 6 hours into surgery if a surgeon needs his next fix.

 

[StoneHappyMonday]

Personally I wouldn't call needing the warm cloak of a opiate habit really functioning. .

Clive Froggatt, PM Thatcher's personal doctor, architect of many NHS reforms and one of the founding fathers of the policy of harm reduction was a functioning heroin addict whose career was only screwed up years later by the law, not the heroin.

I'd only imagine

Yes, that's your problem.

 

[BecomingJulie]

* High fives Stee and SHM *

 

[One Thousand Words]

Froggat was a public servant, hardly a front line doctor

 

[StoneHappyMonday]

Froggat was a public servant, hardly a front line doctor

Why are you so eager to prove you know fuck all about fuck all?

Dr Clive Froggatt qualified in 1970 and worked at the prestigious St Barts for three years in several high profile departments and jobs. He then moved to Cheltenham where he practiced as a GP AND THATCHERS PERSONAL DOCTOR for 20 years.

Really. Stop making an idiot of yourself.

 

[BecomingJulie]

C'est la première loi des troux, as they say in Paris .....

 

[One Thousand Words]

A GP with a script pad and a wooden spatula? I doubt he wore a mask for the last 30 yrs of his career.