FAILED Mimosa Tea Enema. Why this no work? Solve the mystery

[fnog9]

Hello! SWIM tried to do a mimosa tea enema today. SWIM prepared 30 frickin g's of mimosa, and got it down to an enema sized portion. SWIM administered it, and absolutely nothing happened. SWIM was shocked and disappointed. Is a mimosa brew flat out inactive in the ass, or does it need to be prepared a special way?

Now I'll tell you how SWIM prepared the mimosa, maybe you will find fault with swim's methods. First swim put the mimods bark in water and vinegar and let it sit for 5 days at room temperature, shaking it everyday. Then after 5 days, the mimosa was boiled in water for a half hour. Then an egg white tek was done to the tea. Two egg whites were added in to the simmering pot. It congealed in to a somewhat hard, red/purple substance. The congealed egg was strained out and discarded. The remaining brew had lost much of its red color, and was now a milky light brown. Swim wondered if the egg tek made the brew impotent. This egg tek was done because swim heard it took out tannic acid, and swim was afraid the acid would feel bad in an enema.

The tea was allowed to cool and then it was administered. The one good thing about this whole report is that swim says the mimosa enema did not hurt and was not uncomfortable AT ALL. It felt exactly the same as water.... at least, that is the case after taking out the tannins. SWIM does not know how an untreated mimosa enema would feel. An hour went by and absolutely nothing happened. The only other thing I could add about the mimosa is that it had been purchased in January and stored for about a month in a half in a dark room temperature place. It doesn't degrade that fast does it?

No MAOI's were taken because swim read from several sources that maoi's are not necessary when taking dmt anally.

So what happened here? Why did this fail? Not only fail, but NOTHING happened, not even a weak ass trip.

 

[nonnihilnitoris]

EDIT: I get it, the albumin is supposed to neutralize the tannins, right?

It's possible that the egg absorbed *all* of the actives, but I doubt it. It's more likely that you got a weak batch of mimosa, and 30g is not a whole lot...though you should have felt *something*.

 

[greenmeanies]

as i understand it, because the rectum is at the end of the GI tract it contains high levels of the same MAO enzyme that destroys DMT orally... you may need caapi or rue still (can that be co-administered rectally?)

 

[fnog9]

EDIT: I get it, the albumin is supposed to neutralize the tannins, right? .

Yes, from many sources I have read that egg whites and pure gelatin (the most common sources), react with acid and congeal around it, thus isolating it. However, one person questioned whether this also isolates the dmt because he thought the dmt is bound to the tannic acid. But I have not yet found a definitive answer for this.

SWIM did try about 10g of the same mimosa batch. It was barfed up very quickly, and some effects were felt..... though swim doesn't know if it was from the syrian rue, which resulted in a hellish 12 hours of severe vertigo and volcanic scream vomiting. 12 hours. The psychedelic effects wore off after an hour and then swim experienced 11 more hours of not even being able to open his eyes because swim was so dizzy and barfy. This was why swim was so desperate to try a route that did not involve drinking any mimosa or rue.

 

[fnog9]

as i understand it, because the rectum is at the end of the GI tract it contains high levels of the same MAO enzyme that destroys DMT orally... you may need caapi or rue still (can that be co-administered rectally?)

Thanks. Dangit swim knew he shouldn't have taken a chance and not included an maoi. But a rue extract felt mighty unpleasant to swim's tongue and swim didn't want to plug it. For some reason swim was under the impression that the gi tract did not contain dmt destroying mao enzymes.

SWIM is probably leaning towards a "straight to base" extraction for the future, and swim won't mind taking that orally.

 

[Xorkoth]

By the way, we don't use SWIM in this forum, the reason being that it doesn't protect you in the slightest and it's annoying to read. I realize many forums require it, but here we don't like it. It could just as easily stand for "Someone Who Is Me", and to think that if law enforcement or anyone else would be fooled, if they saw your post and wanted to do something about it, is giving you a false sense of security. If you're truly concerned about someone seeing your post, then either don't post on a public forum about these kinds of activities, or use language that actually does make things more general.

For example:

I was talking with my friend, who doesn't have the Internet, and he wanted me to ask this for him... (etc)

Anyway, please refrain from SWIMming in the future, and enjoy your stay at Bluelight, and PD in particular.

 

[Ismene]

Thanks. Dangit swim knew he shouldn't have taken a chance and not included an maoi. But a rue extract felt mighty unpleasant to swim's tongue and swim didn't want to plug it. For some reason swim was under the impression that the gi tract did not contain dmt destroying mao enzymes.

SWIM is probably leaning towards a "straight to base" extraction for the future, and swim won't mind taking that orally.

You still need an MAOI. The best, least nauseating MAOI is a 300mg tablet of moclobemide. (Trade name Aurorix).

 

[Roger&Me]

You gots MAO in yer butt that chomps up the DMT.

 

[crazynate:]]

hahahahahahahahaha..... srry dude, but this is just funny... goodluck!

 

[Delsyd]

You gots MAO in yer butt that chomps up the DMT.

^yep

you'll need an maoi with ur dmt enema.

 

[fnog9]

By the way, we don't use SWIM in this forum, the reason being that it doesn't protect you in the slightest and it's annoying to read.

No I don't think it protects anyone either, so I will happily oblige. I mean, written "self incrimination" by saying "I did this" over the internet isn't going to do anything. I've never heard of anyone being arrested for saying "I took shrooms" over the internet. The absolute worst case scenario is "self incrimination" will arouse suspicion, but nothing will happen unless someone actually gets physical proof, and whether you use "I" or swim, it could cause suspicion either way. It could possibly result in some kind of search in a worst case scenario. If you are found with drugs, it really doesn't matter whether you call yourself swim or I because you were found with drugs anyway. Maybe that whole swim thing was designed for huge drug labs / operations or something in a high profile case in which "self incrimination" might actually be relevant for some larger crime, or multitude of crimes. SWIM is certainly irrelevant for a casual user.

No, the egg does not absorb the actives. And 30 grams of Mimosa is a HUGE dose. Saying it's "not a whole lot" is ridiculous. I've had 5 grams produce a strong experience before. Cant even imagine using 30 grams, dont think I'd ever use that much.

I've tried to tell you this before...USE THIS METHOD HERE...
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11818524

It works like magic. I've used it quite a few times now. It never made me sick, not even a hint of nausea, no upset stomach, no runs. Easy to prepare and its pretty much tasteless.

30g is really that huge? Assuming mimosa at most is 1% dmt by weight, then that would mean even if 100% of the dmt was extracted that would be 300mg. Is that really all that much? Well, I guess I could give the jello method a shot. If you say you've done 5g of mimosa with the egg and gelatin tek, and it still worked, then I'll believe that the gelatin does not take out the dmt.

To be honest though, after my egg tek, the brew did not seem to taste any better. It was still like pure acid, even though there was a tonne of purple on the eggs. Have you ever done the jello thing for the syrian rue shot? That might be helpful as ground syrian rue was the worst thing I have ever ingested. But the first time I took like 8g or something. I'll be much more accurate with my taking of rue next time. I experimented with 0.5g crushed and capsuled and no nausea was experienced. Maybe I was spared a trip if 30g is really that huge. I only have about 20g left, so I won't be able to

 

[psood0nym]

30g is really that huge? Assuming mimosa at most is 1% dmt by weight, then that would mean even if 100% of the dmt was extracted that would be 300mg. Is that really all that much?

I'm sure the concentration varies a lot like with all natural sources, but with every batch of mimosa I've had over the years 30 grams would be an extreme overdose. I can say that with assurance, as I overdosed on 35 grams last weekend (on top of extract from 50 grams of MAO inhibited dry P. Torch chips).

I boiled down the tea and stuffed the mimosa concentrate into capsules. After the first 13 grams equivalent of extract I was only tripping lightly from the DMT (the mescaline was at a low +3). I took more after about an hour of that, and started tripping just a little more. I figured when I boiled down the tea too much heat got to the mimosa and severely weakened it. I dosed twice more. I was only tripping mildly when, 6 hours after my first mimosa dose, I ate. That did it. All the DMT that had apparently been accumulating in my gallbladder emptied when I started digesting the food, and it hit hard. I had an allergic-like reaction where my eyes swelled nearly shut, teared constantly, and my lungs filled with fluid over and over again (the reaction owes simply to too much DMT, and not proteins in the bark, as I've had something similar occur with synthetic DMT I IMd). I vomited relentlessly for hours. I went into a totally irrational panicked delirium where my memory that physiologically DMT looks to be fairly safe for the brain was suspiciously gone (I did not recognize myself or my thoughts at all, yet was somehow filled with specifically targeted self-renouncing convictions for everything I like about myself, and had repeating seizure-like visions of suicide). The torturous, but now of course endlessly fascinating, mental episode that transpired is too involved to go into more here - I plan to write something eventually, possibly a full report - but it was easily the most psychologically, and on some levels, physically, painful two hours of my life (and I've been taking psychedelics for over a decade).

If you, or anyone, finds out that RA is a more predictable way to dose, please post. My digestive system is really .... capricious when in comes to DMT, and I've had lots of misses, delays (previously the longest delay was 3 hours) and now an extreme overshoot, using it orally.

 

[fnog9]

I ate. That did it. All the DMT that had apparently been accumulating in my gallbladder emptied when I started digesting the food, and it hit hard. I had an allergic-like reaction where my eyes swelled nearly shut, teared constantly, and my lungs filled with fluid over and over again (the reaction owes simply to too much DMT, and not proteins in the bark, as I've had something similar occur with synthetic DMT I IMd). I vomited relentlessly for hours. I went into a totally irrational panicked delirium where my memory that physiologically DMT looks to be fairly safe for the brain was suspiciously gone

I did not know it was possible to overdose that easy on dmt. I haven't read of anyone else having physical reactions like that from dmt. I've heard of severe barfing from rue, cactus, and mimosa, but not pure dmt. Are you sure it wasn't the maoi that made you barf? And just wondering, did you see all the geometric patterns? I heard people see tunnels and white lights and geometric stuff on high doses.

I've tried to tell you this before...USE THIS METHOD HERE...
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11818524

It works like magic. I've used it quite a few times now. It never made me sick, not even a hint of nausea, no upset stomach, no runs. Easy to prepare and its pretty much tasteless.

Alright, sir, I will take the jello challenge. But if it fails, I will blame it on you. Nah just kidding. But, I will be hiking down a ravine and then a 40 minute hike in to the woods alone at night to do it. Man, if I have to go through 12 hours of insane barfing alone at night in the woods while semi-tripping, and then have to hike my ass out of there, I will be very upset. Don't worry, I can't walk while on this stuff, I won't be falling over stuff in the forest. I think I'll use a coffee filter as well this time instead of just a strainer. I heard you really need to filter out the fine mimosa particles to make it less nauseating.

 

[psood0nym]

Overdose that easily? 35 grams is nearly five times a strong dose for some people, not to mention the 50 grams of cactus chips I was peaking on. I doubt most people would get the allergy-like reaction I did at that dose, but not that most would find it highly dysphoric and vomit.

I've heard plenty of reports of excess mucus production from all kinds of psychedelics - whole threads exist on this topic. I think what I experienced was that phenomenon in extreme excess. The time I overdosed with synthetic DMT and had that reaction I was also using numerous other psychedelics, yes, but it was most definitely the DMT that pushed me over the edge into sickness. If it was the MAOI I'd have vomited soon after using the harmala instead of soon after the DMT hit. However, I've used 60 mg of synthetic DMT IM without nausea or the allergy-like reaction. The allergy-like reaction I experience seems to come from DMT plus having too much general 5-HT psychedelic strain on my system (I don't experience it during smoked DMT experiences when DMT is the only drug). I wouldn't be surprised if overdosing on something like 4-AcO-DMT caused a similar reaction for me. I've also used up to 8 grams of harmala by itself without nausea. All this is not to say that the MAOI isn't relevant in the nausea or the allergy-like reaction, just that harmala doesn't cause me nausea or the reaction by itself. I don't doubt that it alone causes nausea for some people, though, just not for me.

Of course I saw geometric patterns, as we all do with most psychedelics, even with low doses. Do you mean to ask something more? I saw no tunnels, nor lights at their end. I never have.

 

[solistus]

maoi: im in ur butt metabolizin ur dmt

 

[Ismene]

Was the egg you used rotten? Or was that just the usual smell from your arse?

 

[Roger&Me]

I've heard plenty of reports of excess mucus production from all kinds of psychedelics - whole threads exist on this topic. I think what I experienced was that phenomenon in extreme excess.

In the future, administer 400mg of guaifenesin orally at the onset of symptoms. It will cause the mucus to become thinner and easier to expel (significantly, undeniably so; guaifenesin is a miracle expectorant).

 

[Teotzlcoatl]

hmm...

I think you made it too complicated.

Just do a simple 2-3 hour boil on 50g of Mimosa root bark.

Let it cool and put it in your butt.

That should work.

Skip all the other fancy crap.

Also... consider adding some MAOI (tho it should work with mimosa alone).

Perhaps add some Caapi, Passiflora.... or even Syrian Rue

 

[psood0nym]

Nobody should take an MAOI and plug 50 g worth of mimosa tea. Most people get a solid trip with 8 - 12 grams of root bark orally. Plus the bioavailabilty of RA may be significantly higher than oral.

In the future, administer 400mg of guaifenesin orally at the onset of symptoms. It will cause the mucus to become thinner and easier to expel (significantly, undeniably so; guaifenesin is a miracle expectorant).

Thanks for the recommendation but expelling isn't the problem, the insane over production from my lungs, sinuses, and eyes is. Antihistamines don't seem to make a significant difference at recommended dosages either. I don't plan on it happening again, but if it does above all I'll repeatedly remind myself that DMT won't do any major damage before I go into a delirium stage where rational thought isn't accessible.

 

[fnog9]

hmm...

I think you made it too complicated. Just do a simple 2-3 hour boil on 50g of Mimosa root bark. Let it cool and put it in your butt. That should work. Skip all the other fancy crap. Also... consider adding some MAOI (tho it should work with mimosa alone). Perhaps add some Caapi, Passiflora.... or even Syrian Rue

Fancy? I just added an egg to it.

Well anyway, I did boil 20g and made a jello out of it. Getting ready to eat it. I had to make a jello out of the rue extract as well. That stuff is even more impossibly acidic than mimosa tea.

I have little faith this is going to work. I still believe the gelatin or egg that I added removed the dmt, and it won't work. We shall soon find out......