Facist Polish Immigrants Attack Music Fest in North London!

[Ismene]

Attacked the festival and then all went home for a plate of swan and chips.

 

[StoneHappyMonday]

After stealing your job.

 

[Ismene]

What do you do when the cultures being invited over in pursuit of multiculturalism don't believe in multiculturalism.

 

[StoneHappyMonday]

Smash their brains in.

Coz they ain't got nothing in them.

So I heard.

 

[Jesusgreen]

As someone originally from the UK but half Polish myself and living over in Poland now I can say there are a lot of fascist right wing groups in Poland, skinhead types who're very racist and violent. Considering the country's history you'd be surprised by just how much of a Neo-Nazi culture there is here.

There groups do exist, and they're cunts. So yeah I don't doubt the article at all. Of course there's always drunks and the like but the groups are common so I don't see any reason for them to exaggerate that part, and more often than not when it's a group and they're using knives/bats/other weapons it tends to be the right wing skinheads (nothing against skinheads personally, just the right winger fascist ones )

You see these people a lot at bigger festivals in Poland, dressed up in typical punk dress except unlike the regular punks over here who're non-violent or just get a bit rowdy and have their rougher-than-usual mosh pits these guys are the kind of ones who'll pull out a knife or broken bottle in a crowd of people and just go wild until Police drag them away.

Ross Kemp does a good documentary on some of the "Football Hooligans" over here, often they're part of these football related gangs, one of the stickers shown in the article appears to relate to them.

 

[Ismene]

I don't suppose there's any reason why the countries we're importing people from should have reached the same level of political correctness as the UK. I suppose we're going to see a rise in fascism along with the Female genital mutilation, honour killings and Tuberculosis that we've got already.

 

[StoneHappyMonday]

I don't suppose there's any reason why the countries we're importing people from should have reached the same level of political correctness as the UK. I suppose we're going to see a rise in fascism along with the Female genital mutilation, honour killings and Tuberculosis that we've got already.

And random capitalization. Don't forget random capitalization.

 

[Sammy G]

The Tottenham & Wood Green Journal (the local paper) and the Standard are both insinuating it was indeed an attack by fascists. Including Jews being specifically targeted and having their skull caps knocked off.

Key word, 'insinuating' - see that the Evening Standard is careful in its use of inverted commas when it refers to 'Polish Neo-Nazis'.

And one man's kippah was pushed from his head. One man. So 'Jews' were not 'specifically targeted' as such. They could have knocked off a million fedoras and trilbys prior to that for all we know.

I'm very aware of the slightly 'relaxed' attitude to racism (antisemitism in particular) among certain sections of the Polish community, and I know that there's a thriving far-right skinhead scene (as well as an often equally-violent leftist one). That's the case in most of mainland Europe, not just Poland.

Thing is, skepticism is healthy, whether it neatly fits your views or otherwise. Usually otherwise. The first attempt to challenge this article (whose only substantial eyewitness accounts come from anti-fascist activists) was met with OTT accusations of fascist sympathies. See what I'm getting at?

If not, try going to the source:

A man was stabbed at a Tottenham community music festival on Saturday in what is rumoured to be an anti-semitic attack.

Conflating the kippah incident and the stabbing, but also acknowledging the 'rumour' element.

Police said the group was “a loose collection of people - not a designated march” that numbered about 20 east European males, but other reports put the figure at up to 40.

Police were called at about 9.10pm and arrived to find a 24-year-old Polish man suffering from a stab wound. The victim was taken by ambulance to an east London hospital, but his injuries are not believed to be serious.

So it was a Polish guy who got stabbed after all.

Who stabbed him? His Polish buddies, or one of those 'peaceful' festivalgoers? One who happened to have come along all tooled up?

 

[ponch]

They could have knocked off a million fedoras and trilbys prior to that for all we know.

If this was the case we should be hailing these people as heros, not villains.

 

[StoneHappyMonday]

Key word, 'insinuating' -

Yeah. Maybe that's why I used it eh?

I'm very aware of the slightly 'relaxed' attitude to racism (antisemitism in particular) among certain sections of the Polish community, and I know that there's a thriving far-right skinhead scene (as well as an often equally-violent leftist one).

Have you empirically measured that, punch for punch? It's just that when I googled 'violent left wing in Poland' I got about 11 million hits referring to right-wing thugs attacking left-wing symbols/squats/days out with the kids etc and about 3 hits for Polish left-wing violence. Though it's entirely possible google is a communist front of course.

However, maybe your continuous desire to point out some mythical rational middle ground, condemning the extreme left and extreme right almost as one homogeneous whole, while others experience tells them it's generally fascist thugs they encounter smashing up family days out, can go some way to explaining others reactions to your protestations? See what I'm getting at?

 

[bummer]

And random capitalization. Don't forget random capitalization.

Giving proper nouns capital letters isn't random.

 

[Sammy G]

However, maybe your continuous desire to point out some mythical rational middle ground

... is something that's entirely of your own creation.

My take on it? Think for yourself, schmuck.

condemning the extreme left and extreme right almost as one homogeneous whole

That, I'm happier with. And yes, the extreme right and the extreme left are almost one homogenous, angry, indoctrinated, robotic whole. Though I'd prefer to drop the 'w' from the final word of my previous sentence.

 

[rickolasnice]

What do you do when the cultures being invited over in pursuit of multiculturalism don't believe in multiculturalism.

Quoted because I like it.

 

[Sammy G]

From VICE yesterday, on the UAF 'vigil':

After a few speeches, a contingent of more militant anti-fascists — some of them in face masks — broke away from the UAF rally outside Tottenham Town Hall. They headed down to the scene of the attack, waving their banners and chanting anti-fascist slogans up Tottenham High Road.

Loud chants of: “Alerta, Alerta, Antifascista!” went up and black banners fluttered through the air. It felt like a ragtag band of soldiers on their way to the front, and I couldn’t help but wonder if people were hoping some ZE members were hanging around in the park so that they could dish out some payback for Saturday.

Some 'vigil', huh?

Left / Right - it's all about male power structures and aggression, and nothing to do with idealism.

 

[StoneHappyMonday]

Giving proper nouns capital letters isn't random.

Don't doubt it. Tuberculosis, on the other hand, is an adjectival noun. Female is a common noun. Neither of which get capitalized.

 

[bummer]

Don't doubt it. Tuberculosis, on the other hand, is an adjectival noun. Female is a common noun. Neither of which get capitalized.

Damn it. Seems you're right.
- 25 points for trying to be a smart arse and failing.

Was only referring to tuberculosis by the way.

 

[Ismene]

Is it a crime to put a capital letter in front of a word these Days? Is it a crime to want peace and Harmony? Is it a crime to hit a student across the top of the Head with a snooker ball in a sock?

 

[rickolasnice]

Yes if it is every word. Yes if it is wanting it by reaching it in a way I don't agree will work and No if your reasoning is sound.

 

[Vurtual]

...That, I'm happier with. And yes, the extreme right and the extreme left are almost one homogenous, angry, indoctrinated, robotic whole. Though I'd prefer to drop the 'w' from the final word of my previous sentence.

You must notice though that even if the 'extreme' left sometimes become violent, they're mostly not inherently about violence like the extreme right are (facsism is about domination and 'might is right') - and when pockets of the left seem to be about violence it's pretty much always in reaction to inherent violence of the extreme right (bloody reactionaries eh?).

If you only use the term 'extreme' when there is actual nasty violence, the left and right would not compare in numerical terms. (eg would you call the weather underground extreme in the same way as a nazi group? - they planted hundreds of bombs damagaing capitalist property, but never killed anyone (except themselves in bomb-making accidents)

My take on the OP is - don't conflate facists with a particular race (motes and beams and that) - these facsists are on one side with our and other countries' fascists, against our and other countries' non/anti-fascists.

 

[One Thousand Words]

Is it a crime to put a capital letter in front of a word these Days? Is it a crime to want peace and Harmony? Is it a crime to hit a student across the top of the Head with a snooker ball in a sock?

Imagine if he has embedded a video of Prussian Blue?