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Experiment: Threshold doses of DXM for motivation. e.g., 100-200mg daily. Harmful?

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I am about to try this soon. Two things inspire me. One is my own experience with the increased productivity and motivation I've had from afterglows. The second thing is being aware of one person who currently does this. I'm not sure if his case is idiosyncratic, so I come to you, Bluelight, for some guidance on this. Before I met this person, I knew that people took DXM every single day, but not for such low doses or for any maintenance reasons. I'm skeptical, but I want to test this myself.

I suspect that it will be pleasant like Caffeine, but not quite a "high." Not quite sober or high/tripping/drunk... just simply different. I hope the effects aren't the kind that slow you down in any way. I'm looking for a boost. I feel like this sub 1st plateau dosing should have completely different characteristics than any of the plateaus.

The experiment will be aborted if it becomes obvious to anyone that I am tripping. That's a dealbreaker. I can't have people thinking I'm trying to get high.

You will all be updated on the progress. If you have any concerns, state them. If you and I are just as informed as each other, then it would be a difference of opinion. If you know something I don't, then show your evidence.

Also, has anyone tried anything similar? Does anyone else think they'll try this themselves in the future?

Thanks.
 
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120mg of DXM is the strangest dose I've experienced. It reminds me of all my stronger trips, my first trips, everything. Wow, it's all coming back to me. Flashbacks of every single time I've taken it. On top of that, you get the dissociated feeling in your mind without any impairment.

I'd have go lower than this it seems. Even 120mg of DXM feels recreational. The afterglow should be interesting.
 
Well depending on how long you're at this, I would imagine that tolerance would build and you won't feel a damn thing off of 100-200 mg.
 
Yes. I won't feel any type of buzz whatsoever from this dose in the future. However, that's beside the point. The boost in motivation and higher threshold for boredom would still remain. It will still do something, I reckon.
 
I dosed 120mg of DXM at roughly 7:00 PM. Now, at 11:00 PM, I no longer feel any sort of buzz. I do feel dissociated. But I feel dissociated in a positive way. I am strongly aware of what needs to be done. The dissociation is helpful! It keeps me on task.

Even if I don't get a trip out of it, I am sure that I'll get an afterglow. That afterglow might come on faster depending on how little you take. I only 120mg. It feels as if I'm already coming down. This coming down is the part where my amotivation disappears.

I can see how something like DXM/Ketamine could be used therapeutically. This state is perfect for getting work done. I also feel that writing and getting across ideas is more enjoyable.

Cleaning feels cathartic now.

I was right in my prediction. This feels like using a prescription drug the way it was intended to be used. I feel better than I usually do. Depression is non-existent. I hope that this remains this way. My most productive weeks were after a large dose of DXM. I wonder what continuous small doses will do? Maybe every 3 days or every other day would be best. The effect will become subtle, but still helpful.

It will take much longer for the therapeutic effects to end than the "trippy" effects, right?
 
I dissociate far too easily with DXM, but it did prove to be socially enabling with the inclusion of alcohol for warding off inhibitions.
 
This is fantastic. No anti-depressant has come close to this. I quit them all from frustration. DXM feels much better. Truly, I feel normal.

Boredom is just impossible right now. That's the major difference. I have enough control to keep myself from doing stupid things like reorganizing my mp3s, but I'm motivated enough to go and clean up the piles of clothes in my room. Perfect!
 
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This is fantastic. No anti-depressant has come close to this. I quit them all from frustration. DXM feels much better. Truly, I feel normal.

Boredom is just impossible right now. That's the major difference. I have enough control to keep myself from doing stupid things like reorganizing my mp3s, but I'm motivated enough to go and clean up the piles of clothes in my room. Perfect!
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Do you consume alcohol on a near-daily or daily basis? Just curious.
 
Yeah, it's funny, even like 70 or 80 mg doses will get most people dissociated. The maximum dose listed on the cough syrup is 30 mg, and studies have shown it's largely ineffective at that dose. But oh no, don't tell people to go higher than than or they'll get high, how awful! It's get high on DXM or get high on codeine (like the Canadians do) if you want to effectively suppress coughs. On top of all that, that phenylephrine stuff they got to replace pseudoephedrine is garbage as an oral decongestant, and lots of people won't bother going to the pharmacy counter to get the old stuff that works at least a little. Another example of drug policy making everyone suffer more.

Good luck with your low dose regimen. I'm not sure how fast tolerance develops, but the anti-depressant effects of ketamine are supposed to last a few days. If DXM is similar in regard to anti-depressant efffects you could probably stay ahead of tolerance dosing 80 mg or so every three or four days, maybe longer. If you use it for boredom you're going to use it a lot and develop tolerance.
 
peacelovedope said:
Well depending on how long you're at this, I would imagine that tolerance would build and you won't feel a damn thing off of 100-200 mg.
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phew said:
Yes. I won't feel any type of buzz whatsoever from this dose in the future. However, that's beside the point. The boost in motivation and higher threshold for boredom would still remain. It will still do something, I reckon.
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I'm curious as to what the basis for this would be, beyond placebo (which I don't discount, it's a very real effect). Surely if you become tolerant you would become tolerant to those effects too?
 
^Tolerance doesn't mean "immunity to a substance". Its perfectly possible to be tolerant to a substance and still feel subtle effects. :) In fact, I would venture to say that most substances never induce such a complete tolerance that the user is unable to discern any effects whatsoever from a dose they are tolerant to.
 
Do any of you think that dissociated effect, by itself, could have valid uses in medicine? A slight dissociation restores executive control, as far as I'm concerned. I could see this being used for people who have problems organizing and sticking to plans of action. I can't procrastinate when dissociated. That could be the valid use for this, perhaps. Anti-anxiety as well.

Dissociation makes me feel as if I can mentally tell myself what to physically do and then go on auto-pilot until it's done. It's like, I'm working, but not. I have much more patience and boredom is just absolutely gone. Even though nothing exciting is happening, I could sit here for hours and do nothing or do everything.
 
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I'm curious as to what the basis for this would be, beyond placebo (which I don't discount, it's a very real effect). Surely if you become tolerant you would become tolerant to those effects too?
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It's not rare for tolerance to some effects of a drug to develop, but not others. If you take oxycontin as prescribed, you'll lose most of the euphoria eventually, but the analgesia will stay. If you take MDPV daily, it'll stop being very euphoric, but it will remain powerfully anorectic. If you take MDMA daily (DON'T), you'll lose most of the empathy, but still get mydriasis and tweakiness.

The problem is that destructive behavior is seen in people who regularly use recreational doses of dissociatives; a quick browse of the "Addiction and Habituation" section on Erowid will tell you that much. With this lower dose, you might actually see a positive behavior change, and I'm interested to see what will happen. NMDA antagonists probably have a place in medicine, after what we've seen with Jamshyd, but it has yet to be demonstrated because of the abuse potential.
 
120mg again.

I'm more imaginative, creative. It feels as if my ordinary thoughts are now DXM thoughts. For a long time, I've believed that DXM trips and regular doses only differ in intensity. The visuals and thoughts are the same, but on low doses it's in the back of your mind. Higher doses immerse you in your own mind.

Ambitions are floating through my mind. I have images of myself doing incredible things and gaining recognition, but a lot of it is rooted in fantasy. During the first few hours, it's like a shift in thinking but not a buzz.
 
Good thread. I too really enjoy 100-120mg of DXM for cleaning and general mood/ambition boosts. I've never done it even close to a daily basis, though.

Are you consistently dosing during the evening? I'm curious as to how easily you fall asleep/how well you sleep that night.
 
psood0nym said:
Good luck with your low dose regimen. I'm not sure how fast tolerance develops, but the anti-depressant effects of ketamine are supposed to last a few days. If DXM is similar in regard to anti-depressant efffects you could probably stay ahead of tolerance dosing 80 mg or so every three or four days, maybe longer. If you use it for boredom you're going to use it a lot and develop tolerance.
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IME, 12mg of Ketamine every 30 mins for 7 days did not produce any tolerance whatsoever. And yes, the antidepressant effect, in my case with said experiment, lasted a solid 3 weeks after the last dose (and still going now about 4 weeks in, although starting to dwindle), and that is against constant, daily emotional pain.

Now I *highly* doubt DXM produces antidepressant effects the same way Ketamine does. Remember that dosing for K's anti-depressant is what I would call "ULD", because 12mg produces minimal recreational effects in most people. This means that "ULD" DXM should be around the same and it doesn't seem to me to be effective for much of anything at these doses...
 
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