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Experienced opiate users, especially heroin users. Is Oxycodone "legal smack"?

Bob Loblaw said:
Average BA is actually ~75% (60-87%)



No.



I'd take heroin anyday with oxymorphone a close second.
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Heroin does have a pretty low bioavailability for most ROA.. smoking heroin definitely has a lower B/A than snorting Heroin. Most the Heroin around Calgary here is complete garbage anyway... no wonder people are bringing in the fentanyl pills :)
 
lolwhatzdrugs said:
Oversimplification. Many full agonists have completely different subjective effects. The euphoria of morphine/heroin is far greater than oxycodone/fentanyl.
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That's why it is subjective, not objective as I find oxycodone to be most euphoric, far more than morphine.

However, the end result is all the same - regardless of who finds what better or worse, once you are addicted to opiates, you're addicted and will take whatever you can get to stave off withdrawals and we do have masses of pharma pain med addicts that would be in a serious situation if they were suddenly cut off. Many, when they get cut off, turn to kratom or heroin and end up on the needle.

Pharma grade opiates ARE a legalised form of smack since the end result of abuse ending in eventual addiction is the same.
 
As a seasoned opiate addict, with a lot of my addiction being with Oxycontin(pre 08), OxyContin really is legal clean smak. Though it is not Diacetylmorphine, all opiates act the same on you CNS though different ones vary, but only in minor ways. Heron gets converted to morphine in our bodies, thus the high from Heroin is from Morphine( heroin itself doesn't cause the high, turning into morphine does), Codiene is converted to morphine by the body, thus Morphine is also the cause of the high. Morphine highs are from morphine itself, therefore Morphine, Codiene, and Heroin highs are all from Morphine. Semi-synthetics like Hydromorphone, hydrocodone, oxymorphone, oxycodone, cause highs very similalar to morphine, but morphine is only a small metabolite. Any drug that activates the mu-opiod receptor is going to feel similar, that's why all these feel similar. My opinion is all Pharmacuetical opiates are legal Heroin, the US is the only Country and maybe Canada that don't use Pharmacuetical Heroin. In the uk in the ER instead of hydromorphone or fentanyl, they use yep Heroin!

Activis Cough syrup (Codiene and promethazine) and Heron really aren't very different(other than the iv rush)
 
In the US, all opiates are illegal to possess unless prescribed, but heroin is not approved by the FDA. "legal smack" is some propaganda term
 
To answer the question directly, yes. But I've never taken it legally ;). But depending on the heroin you get, in your city or state, Heroin can be a lot stronger than any prescribed opiate. Opana 40's could give most heroin a run for its money IME. But anyone whos taken an oxycontin or percocet 10 with no tolerance knows what an "experienced" heroin addict feels like on a daily basis. except the rush, and if you dont know what the "rush" is, you havent lived. Back to the topic, yes heroin was the first opiate invented by the same guy who invented Asprin. Heroin was supposed to be his big blockbuster drug that would change the world, and it did... It also caused a lot of problems and a lot of lawsuits for Bayer (the company the guy worked for) then after all the problems heroin caused they released Asprin and made a sh*t ton of money. Oxycontin and all the other perscribed opiates are just derivatives of heroin.
 
^ I didn't know that, but when I said "they're all derivatives of heroin" I meant it in the sense that Heroin was in a sense the father of prescribed and regulated for pain management.

And Mr.Scagnattie, quit sandbaggin' me, lol.
 
NickKnowsMoreThnU said:
^ I didn't know that, but when I said "they're all derivatives of heroin" I meant it in the sense that Heroin was in a sense the father of prescribed and regulated for pain management.

And Mr.Scagnattie, quit sandbaggin' me, lol.
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Actually wrong again....morphine is the grandfather of all opiates/opioids and is the standard of which all others are compared to. I dont think he is sandbagging you..you just state a lot of things as though they are fact when they are not.

Also, i would like for you to keep in the back of your mind that harm reduction is the biggest goal here at BL even when discussing use of drugs!
 
NickKnowsMoreThnU said:
To answer the question directly, yes. But I've never taken it legally ;). But depending on the heroin you get, in your city or state, Heroin can be a lot stronger than any prescribed opiate. Opana 40's could give most heroin a run for its money IME. But anyone whos taken an oxycontin or percocet 10 with no tolerance knows what an "experienced" heroin addict feels like on a daily basis. except the rush, and if you dont know what the "rush" is, you havent lived. Back to the topic, yes heroin was the first opiate invented by the same guy who invented Asprin. Heroin was supposed to be his big blockbuster drug that would change the world, and it did... It also caused a lot of problems and a lot of lawsuits for Bayer (the company the guy worked for) then after all the problems heroin caused they released Asprin and made a sh*t ton of money. Oxycontin and all the other perscribed opiates are just derivatives of heroin.
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Heroin was thought to be a cure for soldiers disease(morphine, opium addiction)from the civil war.
No oxy isn't legal smack, for all kinds of reasons.
 
Having used all opiates mentioned in this thread my opinion would be it don't matter how you personally classify oxy & H. The bottom line is that they both highly addictive & cause the same WD symptoms. Also they both will alleviate a WD from the other. Legal or illegal has no bearing & we are getting into semantics by arguing such. In the sake of HR I would say stay the fuck away from both unless you have a legitimate physical ailment that would require an opiate to relive the pain caused by said ailment.
 
the only natural opiates are: Morphine, and Codeine. Heroin is semi-synthetic even, so every pain pill is an "opioid" it's mostly synthetic opiate, or half synthetic such as heroin. alot of the opioids are thebaine derived such as hydro and oxy, thebaine is derived from the poppy, and is different in effects than morphine derived drugs, such as the synthetics
 
So true ^^ the old formula or ir opanas now they give dope a run for its money but even them there is nothing better than a good shot of dope
 
Tommyboy said:
Oxymorphone . . . are somewhere in the middle
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Hello folks. I am a little confused over the use of this particular term for to refer to a specific drug. Oxycodone is the class of drugs that have this active ingredient in its make-up, such as OxyContin, percocet, and so on. Hydromorphone is a class of opioids that have tis as its active ingredient, such as Dilaudid, HydromorphContin, etc. However there are several times, particularly in this thread when these two ingredients are combined. I don't believe this is correct, as I've discussed. Does anybody want to comment?
 
williebye said:
Hello folks. I am a little confused over the use of this particular term for to refer to a specific drug. Oxycodone is the class of drugs that have this active ingredient in its make-up, such as OxyContin, percocet, and so on. Hydromorphone is a class of opioids that have tis as its active ingredient, such as Dilaudid, HydromorphContin, etc. However there are several times, particularly in this thread when these two ingredients are combined. I don't believe this is correct, as I've discussed. Does anybody want to comment?
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Oxycodone, hydromorphone, and oxymorphone are all different chemicals. You can think of it thusly:

You have:
CODEINE - HYDROCODONE - OXYCODONE
MORPHINE - HYDROMORPHONE - OXYMORPHONE

They are all opioids. Oxymorphone is the most potent, then hydromorphone, morphine, oxycodone, hydrocodone, and codeine.
 
Is oxycodone legal smack?
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Yes and no.

Yes in that they are both potent full agonist opioids that are in the same ballpark in terms of strength, potency, and duration. Their similar pharmacological profiles lead to them having similar abuse, overdose and dependency potential. I have only felt withdrawal from smack, not from oxycodone, but I am told they are of a fairly similar length and intensity (makes sense).

No in the sense that they are obviously two different drugs. Oxycodone is, objectively speaking, safer - you can determine with a fair amount of precision your dose, and eliminate the possibility of potentially dangerous adulterants (unless you snort or shoot pills - risk of talcosis). Oxycodone's pharmacology also lends itself better to oral use; oral BA is considerably higher, and subjectively speaking - no doubt verified by many users here - IV administration of oxycodone does not improve the high dramatically, while heroin is almost a different drug when you mainline it.

Heroin is preferred by most people between the two (in blind studies, addicts showed a strong preference for heroin/morphine over other strong opioids), benefits more from more intense and invasive methods of administration, and is a street drug and thus of uncertain purity - so it is, in many ways, more risky than oxycodone - but they are rather similar drugs and you can get yourself just as hooked or dead on hillbilly horse.
 
I've never Iv'd oxy but me and my ex used to go through a lot of 20mg Oxycotins a week and built up a tolerance. We usually snorted them and compared to how down makes you feel when snorted I'd say down is a lot more powerful, in terms of mg to mg. Also oxy I found to be more speedy than down, like I wouldn't get a nod from it unless I took a very large amount. In fact the first time I did oxy or any opiate for that matter was with my old dealer and she split a 80mg oxy between us mixed in a huge amount of coke and we snorted it, I was totally able to function. If that had been heroin and coke I think the outcome would have been much different. So to me oxy is like the baby steps taken to end up at down.
 
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