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Experienced opiate users, especially heroin users. Is Oxycodone "legal smack"?
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opiatekrzy
Bluelighter
its still illegal smack unless u have a script. and i think its childs play compared to heroin..yes its potent but it doesnt have a low bio like heroin thus ppl
iv or snortt it. oxy orally has a 90% bio
iv or snortt it. oxy orally has a 90% bio
I should have titled the thread, injecting opiate users, because I inject oxy too.
Yes, they are both opiates, but that's where the comparisons end. The highs are completely different, oxy is designed as an oral drug, whereas heroin is designed for injecting.
Yes, they are both opiates, but that's where the comparisons end. The highs are completely different, oxy is designed as an oral drug, whereas heroin is designed for injecting.
crzydiamond
Bluelighter
I'm a long time opiate user...everything from heroin to fentanyl to opana to methadone...here's my take :
The rush from heroin is far greater to me, but then again I IV heroin and only eat/sniff oxy.
That said, the high itself (without a habit) to me is very similar, but oxy tends to give me more of an awake I-have-energy type of high. Not a speeded-out methamphetamine type of energy but rather a feel really good n happy n social type of high
Heroin (without a habit) sometimes feels like this; however, sometimes heroin is more of a lazy, nodding type high. It depends on the dope, some makes me feel the nod more than others. With no habit heroin often gives me a feel good energy like oxy does.
That said, with a habit heroin for me takes the sick away and makes me want to lay around n nod in n out of consciousness. It rarely gives me the energy with the feeling good. Oxy usually does, as does fentanyl (whole other subject lol)
Bottom line: yes oxy is a pharmaceutical heroin as much as any other opiate is...Similar high (with the slight differences I mentioned) same withdrawal if u get a habit...
The rush from heroin is far greater to me, but then again I IV heroin and only eat/sniff oxy.
That said, the high itself (without a habit) to me is very similar, but oxy tends to give me more of an awake I-have-energy type of high. Not a speeded-out methamphetamine type of energy but rather a feel really good n happy n social type of high
Heroin (without a habit) sometimes feels like this; however, sometimes heroin is more of a lazy, nodding type high. It depends on the dope, some makes me feel the nod more than others. With no habit heroin often gives me a feel good energy like oxy does.
That said, with a habit heroin for me takes the sick away and makes me want to lay around n nod in n out of consciousness. It rarely gives me the energy with the feeling good. Oxy usually does, as does fentanyl (whole other subject lol)
Bottom line: yes oxy is a pharmaceutical heroin as much as any other opiate is...Similar high (with the slight differences I mentioned) same withdrawal if u get a habit...
I appreciate your opinion crzydiamond, but in my world, I know of nobody who thinks this. It is a big world though.
Here's another thing. Diacetylmorphine metabolizes into morphine in the body. Oxycodone is a synthhetic derivative of thebaine.
Therefore, those who think oxycodone is "legal heroin" are also suggesting that oxycodone has the same effect on the body as morphine, without the "rush" that makes heroin unique. That's very interesting, I would expect experienced users to be able to distinguish the two.
Here's another thing. Diacetylmorphine metabolizes into morphine in the body. Oxycodone is a synthhetic derivative of thebaine.
Therefore, those who think oxycodone is "legal heroin" are also suggesting that oxycodone has the same effect on the body as morphine, without the "rush" that makes heroin unique. That's very interesting, I would expect experienced users to be able to distinguish the two.
crzydiamond
Bluelighter
^^well like I said, IMO, I can tell a difference between the highs...although they have an extremely similar feel-good euphoric body buzz, oxy does give me a more stimulating high than heroin. For the most part, as without a habit heroin has felt like that at times.
Heroin does have a unique rush, initial onset of high...but over the duration of the high oxy feels like any other opiate, just a lil more awake lol
But you're right in one thing, individuals have different experiences...different individual chemistry I guess...
What's your thought on the similarities/differences between h n oxy in how u personally feel?
Heroin does have a unique rush, initial onset of high...but over the duration of the high oxy feels like any other opiate, just a lil more awake lol
But you're right in one thing, individuals have different experiences...different individual chemistry I guess...
What's your thought on the similarities/differences between h n oxy in how u personally feel?
Keith_Bandit
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Oxycodone makes me itchier than heroin. I'd agree with the more stimulating effect as well, but I think that also depends on your mood going into the high because I've dipped out on oxycodone a couple of times. It's just more of an afternoon cat nap kind of dip, not a Men In Black pen-mind-eraser type of dip where you wake up just like ....... "what happened?"
Well for a start, being an IV user, heroin is not comparable to any other opiate (some say hydromorphone is good, but I've never had that).
Oxycodone is a shit IV drug, the high is slightly stimulating but nowhere near as heavy as a heroin or even morphine high.
I can't believe people honestly compare the two myself, but to each their own.
Toz
Bluelighter
Oxycodone doesn't feel like heroin. Morphine is much more similiar in it's effects. Oxycodone is a much more stimulating and to me, inferior opiate.
I agree with pretty much everything that you said.
Oddly enough I find oxycodone to feel a lot more similar to heroin than morphine does. I would rank heroin / oxycodone / hydrocodone (if I had a really high dose of it) at the top of my list in terms of euphoria, yet morphine is at the bottom of my list of opiates I enjoy. Oxymorphone and hydromorphone are somewhere in the middle, and fentanyl is down there with morphine but I haven't used it enough to rank it with confidence.
Bob Loblaw
Bluelight Crew
Average BA is actually ~75% (60-87%)
No.
I'd take heroin anyday with oxymorphone a close second.
^ What do you mean "no"? Can you elaborate please?
The fact that heroin crosses the blood-brain-barrier quicker than any other, then converts into morphine makes it the perfect IV drug. Herion and morpine's oral bioavailability are about 30% prom memroy.
Oxycodone has a 90% oral bioavailability, making it the perfect oral drug. Why would you eat morphine or heroin when oxycodone (a derivative of thebaine).. oh fuck it, you obviously have something against me. whatever.
The fact that heroin crosses the blood-brain-barrier quicker than any other, then converts into morphine makes it the perfect IV drug. Herion and morpine's oral bioavailability are about 30% prom memroy.
Oxycodone has a 90% oral bioavailability, making it the perfect oral drug. Why would you eat morphine or heroin when oxycodone (a derivative of thebaine).. oh fuck it, you obviously have something against me. whatever.
missmeyet?
Bluelighter
What?? Something against you? Your tone from the begining has seemed almost argumentative with everyones comments..not sure why..i was wondering even before your last post. In what exact regard are you wanting to know if they are similar? There are many different ways to compare/contrast them..and everyone is going to have an opinion..
Bob Loblaw
Bluelight Crew
^This.
I mean neither drug was designed for a specific ROA. That's simply not true. To expand on this comment here^, bioavailability is not the only factor in determing the best ROA for a substance, and that is also quite subjective.
P.S. I don't even know you & don't remember anything specific you've ever posted, so no, nothing against you.
I mean neither drug was designed for a specific ROA. That's simply not true. To expand on this comment here^, bioavailability is not the only factor in determing the best ROA for a substance, and that is also quite subjective.
P.S. I don't even know you & don't remember anything specific you've ever posted, so no, nothing against you.
Mr.Scagnattie
Bluelighter
In the way that people can get just as addicted to oxycodone as heroin, both physically and mentally... yeah I guess you could say it's like "legal H". Though I never really liked that phrase.
The thing with oxy, is because it is a pill, and doctors prescribe it, a lot more people can justify using it... where as heroin has this nasty stigma attached to it. People think of heroin and they picture dirty junkies shooting up in crack houses. So, people think they are above all that and are "better" than heroin addicts because they are doing a pill.. Well, they find out soon enough that you can get just as strung out on oxy as you can with H, and many of them end up switching over to heroin after the oxy gets too expensive and their tolerance gets too high.
The thing with oxy, is because it is a pill, and doctors prescribe it, a lot more people can justify using it... where as heroin has this nasty stigma attached to it. People think of heroin and they picture dirty junkies shooting up in crack houses. So, people think they are above all that and are "better" than heroin addicts because they are doing a pill.. Well, they find out soon enough that you can get just as strung out on oxy as you can with H, and many of them end up switching over to heroin after the oxy gets too expensive and their tolerance gets too high.
Siccness909
Bluelighter
Both opiates I guess, both addictive physically and mentally but H gives me a better rush obviously than Oxy. So I wouldn't call it legal H other than the fact there both opiates but potency there's a difference.
lolwhatzdrugs
Bluelighter
Oxycodone is not legal by any standard (for most people)
And is less euphoric compared to heroin or morphine.
I have never nodded on oxycodone, only morphine and heroin.
Answer:
Heroin is schd1
Oxycodone is schd2
While their method of action is exactly the same, subjective experience of the two (for euphoric purposes) is different.
Is it legal smack in that's an available opioid mu agonist.... yes
Is it legal smack when subjective experience is counted... no
And is less euphoric compared to heroin or morphine.
I have never nodded on oxycodone, only morphine and heroin.
Answer:
Heroin is schd1
Oxycodone is schd2
While their method of action is exactly the same, subjective experience of the two (for euphoric purposes) is different.
Is it legal smack in that's an available opioid mu agonist.... yes
Is it legal smack when subjective experience is counted... no
Bob Loblaw
Bluelight Crew
They can broken down, but this thread isn't the place for such a question.
WantToBeReborn
Bluelighter
An agonist opiate is an agonist opiate, the end result is the same.
In the bigger picture, the mass prescribing and colossal proliferation of pharmaceutical grade opiates at a time when the west is at war with Afghan, is no coincidence.
Opiate pain medications were originally only used for intractable terminal illness. They were never supposed to be given long-term to ambulatory patients with non-cancer or non-end of life pain.
Yes, it is legal smack and the amount of people whose addiction has been "legitimised" by the climate is staggering. I now look less at the exact differences in the buzz from different agonist opiates, since they all work at the mu receptor and I look more now at the end game and what result we have ended up with and we have ended up with countless opiate pharma grade addicts, that if they were cut off tomorrow, would be forced to source alternative opiates, such as heroin, kratom, etc, etc., simply to avoid sudden withdrawals.
In the bigger picture, the mass prescribing and colossal proliferation of pharmaceutical grade opiates at a time when the west is at war with Afghan, is no coincidence.
Opiate pain medications were originally only used for intractable terminal illness. They were never supposed to be given long-term to ambulatory patients with non-cancer or non-end of life pain.
Yes, it is legal smack and the amount of people whose addiction has been "legitimised" by the climate is staggering. I now look less at the exact differences in the buzz from different agonist opiates, since they all work at the mu receptor and I look more now at the end game and what result we have ended up with and we have ended up with countless opiate pharma grade addicts, that if they were cut off tomorrow, would be forced to source alternative opiates, such as heroin, kratom, etc, etc., simply to avoid sudden withdrawals.