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Experienced LSD users - please help

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Boombox2

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Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated.

I had my first acid trip last night and it was not at all what I was expecting and I'm thoroughly confused.

I took 1 very small pharoah blotter on my own (yeah I know you're not supposed to your first time but open minded friends were tied up).

A brief summary of my trip -

Held it under my tounge for 5 mins then swallowed. 1 hour later, feel a bit jittery and get some mild bruxism. A massive grin is stuck on my face for no identifiable reason. 1.5 hours later start watching an episode of Curb and can't stop laughing. Hysterical laughing. I don't know whether the episode was particularly good (the one where he buys viagra) but I couldn't stop. 2 hours in - staring at the light of my lamp causes it to shift and move. If I stare at the wall for long enough I see the famed "breathing walls" although I have to almost will it to happen. Bruxism has got stronger.

Then the rushes start. I feel euphoric, I put some music on, which makes it even better, and dance around my room. Feel very happy like I'm on decent MDMA. A weird energy. Spend ages listening to an album from start to finish and watching itunes visualizer. Bruxism continues. Watch some more Curb and again, can't stop laughing. Chilled out and stared at lamp for a bit and then took 4 ezitolam and went to sleep.

So, all of that pilled up euphoria, rushing, happiness, laughing was all well and good and very nice but is this really LSD? I have been looking forward to this for so long and this is not what I was expecting at all. The main thing that concerned me was the lack of any cerebral stuff going on. Yeah, there was a gentle spaced out feeling now and then but I thought acid was all about racing thoughts, hyper analysis and "opening doors"? Where were all these new pathways that were supposed to be opening up? I had very little going on upstairs while I was enjoying the euphoria and just felt remarkably clear headed throughout. In fact, the only analysis was the analysis about the lack of analysis if that makes sense. At the very least I thought I'd have the cannabis style headspace where you deconstruct concepts and realise the way certain things work and notice things that you hadn't before.

I know I also missed out on the fractals and more visual stuff but I expect that comes with higher doses (or not at all for some) but I was more interested in the revelations?


Also, the bruxism didn't make sense to me - I've never heard of this on LSD. It was more clenching than grinding but still, has anyone else had this?

So, what's going on?

Perhaps I didn't take LSD? But what else can work in such tiny amounts (ie 1 blotter)? Bromo-dragonfly? Wouldn't I have been awake for 4958339534 days if it had been?

Also, I've read that if you're superficial and are concerned with shallow things - you are less likely to have a spiritual trip? Is this it? I have never ever considered myself this type of person but perhaps deep down I am? If so, it's upsetting. I was apprehensive about taking it alone and having a bad trip and it seems that I had too much fun instead! But if I want those kinds of effects, what's wrong with MDMA? I wanted LSD.

Did I take too little? Or am I expecting too much? Please help because the outcome of this will probably define my relationship with acid for the forseeable future.
 
Oh and I did have half a sandwich, 1 scotch egg and 3/4 of a sugar free red bull just before taking. Mainly because it was 5pm and I hadn't eaten anything all day and also because I thought the red bull might elevate my mood and perhaps prevent a bad trip as I know set and setting are so important.

Perhaps it was the red bull?
 
Perhaps it was LSD, perhaps it wasn't. Without testing the blotter you can't be sure what it was.

But more importantly; if you continue with psychedelics you'd do best to forgo expectations and learn to go with the flow.

LSD is not a one trick pony or a cure-all for whatever you think you need.

The first and most important lesson any psychedelic teaches you is to let-go.

It appears you have failed this class, tbh.

Clear your mind of all preconceptions about LSD and the psychedelic journey, and what it should be like.

Then try again.

Good luck!
 
But that was my question - if it isn't LSD - what else is active at a microgram level and causes those kind of effects?

I didn't want it to be a cure-all but I just wanted LSD type mental effects (the one's everyone seems to experience), rather than amphetamine style physical ones. Is that unreasonable?

Also, I WANTED it to teach me something but nothing was going on in my head. How can I learn this "lesson" you speak of if nothing happens?

It all just felt a bit empty.

Cheers for the reply.
 
There are a few other drugs active at microgram levels. The DOx-series of drugs come to mind. Also, Bromo-Dragonfly. There are others.

Again, as others have said, we can't tell you what you took. The only way to know is get a proper lab analysis on the blotter. It is against Bluelight policy (for obvious reasons) to give substance IDs based on reports like this.
 
I'm bemused and baffled. I'm not asking you do a lab analysis or tell me exactly what it is. I'm asking if people know of substances which are active at microgram levels and produce the kind of effects I had.

So, DOx and Bromo Dragonfly. Cheers.

Also, there's quite a few other questions in there...
 
From what you wrote I have no reason to not believe it is LSD. Just sounds like a low dose acid trip. Though you didn't really give us the best time frame for the experience so we can't use that for interpretation, but I'm sure the ezitolam shortened the experience guessing by how you stated taking it. Anyway, no point in guessing what you took, as you nor we can tell you what it actually was. I'm still gonna say it was most likely LSD, but with 1 hit, you didn't dive very far into the world. All the feelings you describe instantly hit me as a a medium low potency blotter. Minimal mind fuck (but I find LSD to be pretty clear headed in general, even at high doses), little visual disturbances, a bit of energy and tenseness, and some euphoria.

So try a bigger dose and you might be a bit more satisfied with the experience. However, you can't go into a experience with a new drug with pre expectations of what it will be like, as you really can't know till you've actually have experienced it. Also, having pre-expectations can have a psychological effect, decreasing the pleasure or enjoyment out of the trip. If you keep thinking about what your missing you are going to be preventing the trip from doing its magic. You are just going along for the ride, let your brain and LSD do the work.

Some times psychedelic experiences aren't that magical. They can turn out to be just a fun experience with out the spiritual side. Other times it can dive so far into your head that it becomes less fun and more a journey with ups and downs. Every experience is different, set and setting plays a huge role in this, but it still is partially out of your control.
 
Thanks cloudy. So clenching is heard of on acid? Of all the trip reports I've read, I've never seen one mention it. If it is acid, do you have a rough idea of the potency based on the effects? The source said between 100ug - 150ug. Would this be more like 75ug or less?

I have 2 blotters left so I will try 2 next time. I only tried 1 because I thought that would be sensible as it's my first time and on my own. I even considered half but maybe I'm a big wimp!

Thanks for the mind fuck bit of your post. This was the bit I was most confused about. I'm glad that it can be clear headed for others too. It often felt like I wasn't even on anything (bar the physical euphoric stuff). I had this idea of acid being thought after thought after thought tumbling over each other analysing analysing analysing. I will try and clear my mind of pre-conceptions next time.

Again, I thought the "fun experience" you speak of with the hysterical laughing would be the sort of trip you have with friends rather than alone, which I thought would be introspective and spiritual. Another pre-conception - poof.

I think my problem might be that I've been trying to get hold of it for so long and been looking forward to it for so long and read so many amazing trip reports, I got a bit frustrated that it wasn't living up to my (very high) expectations.

Oh, and I didn't make notes of exact timings but I took it at about 5pm and took the ezitolam at about midnight.
 
I mean this sounds quite a lot like my first LSD trip, which was very euphoric and wasn't exactly what I expected. As other people have said LSD isn't going to give you the same sort of "experience" every time you take it, dose, set, and setting all play key roles in determining the direction in which the trip will go. I also really think going into a trip with some sort of preconceived notion of how you want it to turn out will just leave you disappointed because as I have found from my psychedelic experiences, there is rarely a time where I can control the direction of said trip (of course there are exceptions with certain materials I have used). Also I think you would know if it was a DOx chemical or Bromo-dragonfly, because of issues such as, difficult body load, vomiting, an unusually long psychedelic state, etc.

I would also like to state that LSD can be a hell of a drug, just because one trip is all shits and giggles doesn't mean every time will be as pleasant. This is a powerful substance so treat it with the respect and caution it deserves.
 
fuckin lol

you clearly took LSD at a very low dose..

ontop of your expectations seem to be a tad bit too high..

really, you should never have expectations for psychedelic drugs... all I can say is, for starters:

gather/research a rough idea or what you're gonna consume..

found out as much information about the specific 'product' you purchased..

dose accordingly, don't look back and enjoy the ride %)
 
Thanks for all the replies chaps. I appreciate it.

Though I don't quite know what's so hilarious about my post. It's my first time so I have no idea what a low or medium dose is. If someone tells you that they could be up to 150ug and you then take one and the above happens, it seems only natural to have questions.

Anyhoo, I guess I'll take more next time. Anyone have any ideas on what kind of dose it was, based on the effects? Just so I can plan next time. Are we talking as low as 50ug? If so, I've been ripped off, given what I paid. :(

Ah well. You live and learn.
 
mate, if you're consuming blotter (unless you know EXACTLY who's hands its been through from the origional lay out to the paper), actual strength can vary from one 'ug' to the other.. unless of course, you know exactly whos handled it/who hands it been through/how it's been stored...

the only way you will ever get a good estimate of the 'exact' blotter you have, is by word of mouth from user's that have had the same blotter from the same source or by gettin it 'professionally' tested ;)

so you' reckon you've been ripped off because you've been told it's 50ug??

lucky for you, LSD is one of the cheapest drugs on the market.. at the end of the day, if it's actual LSD, and not an adulterant.. be happy :) %)

atleast you didn't get sold a bag of chop :\
 
Boombox2 said:
Anyone have any ideas on what kind of dose it was, based on the effects?
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No, not really. There's way too many factors involved: time of your last meal, other meds you may be taking, set & setting, age, weight, phase of the moon... ;)

I've found acid to be quite unpredictable. The same blotters can cause very different effects on different days. Ah well.

I must say, however, that it does indeed sound like you dosed too low. I find small doses to be great for social situations for many of the reasons you described. I would suggest 2 things for your next trip: leave a couple or three hours between your last meal & dosing, and eat both of your last 2 blotters.
 
Sounds like a low-dose acid trip to me. Hard to say the dose. Could be anywhere from 30 to 120ug and I wouldn't be at all surprised with that description.

Watching the idiot box is not conducive to mentally useful trips, it kinda puts you into a very different mindset... Actually, for me it seems to work real good at weakening the trip, particularly if it's comedy (same with looking at funny pictures online, reading comics, etc). I laugh like hell, and it's fun and all, but it kills the mental aspects of the trip. Even staring at music visualizations seems to result in a less cerebral trip, vs closing eyes and listening to music that way...
You spent much of the trip doing one of the most shallow things you possibly could (TV) - so you should not be surprised that you had a shallow trip! Watching TV pulls your mind along the track of the tv show - instead of letting it roam free... During the peak of a trip, I like to avoid TV and computer entirely (just using it to put on music), as it makes trips much less interesting.

I find that smoking a bit of weed during the trip (once at peak, not before) can deepen it significantly, in terms of getting lost in thought, at least. That first hit of weed really changes the trip. Sure smoking lots will sorta kill it, but smoking just a bit seems to instead make it deeper. For me, at least.

What you had could only have been a psychedelic, despite that you felt the effects were somewhat like an empathogen; there aren't any active that low. Interesting, really. That's about the only class of drugs that doesn't have any super-potent examples. You can fit up to maybe 1mg onto a square of blotter without getting fancy*. Within that range, there are a bunch of psychedelics (DOx and related flies, LSD and related ergoloids, NBOMe phenethylamines), a few stimulants (DPMP comes to mind), billions of opiates, many benzos - but no empathogens.

*There has been "blotter" made by gluing two sheets of thin paper together with a glue that was heavy in a 2C-X, thus producing 2C-X blotter containing a proper dose of a 2C-X, probably in the 15-25mg range). AFAIK, it never took off.
 
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the pharoah blotters are indeed LSD.

there sold at 150ug but i suspect there a bit lower than that.
its EU acid so its almost certainly a bit impure.

EU acid gives me alot of uncomfortable body load and effects that i dont associate
with high quality stuff.

might explain the bruxism. although i never get full on bruxism from even those dirty
low dose hoffmans from a few years ago, the most i get is a little tension in the neck,
back or indeed my jaw.

sounds like you just had a mediocre LSD experience. as somebody else said, sounds
like your expectations were too high.

actually, i think thats definitely the case. i know alot of my early experiences were disappointing
as it just never got to the intense state id read/heard of. It wasn't until i got into the heavy end
of the dose spectrum, in the 300-500ug area that the true nature of the LSD experience revealed
itself to me.

got some of those delicious shivas from a few years back and dalai lamas to choose from for a
candyflip tomorrow. weather permitting, i hope to take a trip to the beach and then drop by a talk
on spirituality and near death experiences at 7.30. cant wait. :D

if you can manage it, i suggest you try to source some GDF acid if your in the US. beautiful stuff.
honestly dosed at 100ug a tab so you have alot of control over your dose. EU stuff tends to be over
hyped and rather dirty feeling in my experience. i bet those pharoahs are really in the region of 120-130ug
max.

in other news... GHB is really fucking me over right now. dizzy as fuck!
 
Yes, I agree that, based on these details, it appears you had some LSD

I think that the LSD headspace has a bit of a learning curve, compared to let's say mushrooms. I think that LSD is something you have to "learn" it's possibilities. Mushroom basically just put you there, like it or not. Acid has a bit of a manipulation factor, at least I have found.
 
If you want to have a cerebral trip, try doing some cerebral stuff. The drug won't always do all the work for you (unless you take more of it). If you want to watch TV, watch something heady or emotional. If you're listening to music, put on something ambient and introspective. Try meditating if you do that. You shouldn't expect a mindfuck from dancing and watching sitcoms.
 
Could have been acid, but I would try a different source for the next trip if you decide to retry. Did you learn anything from it?

Also, as others have said, it will give you what you least expect. If you want a head trip, it may be all visual. And other way around. It shows you what you need to see, not what you want.
 
the long comeup time sound strange to anybody?
i had L take an hour and a half to come on ONCE (given i've dropped probably like...6 times? total), but i was feeling different within 30 mins..[no those weren't DOx...i have sampled what was sold as 1.4mg/bot DOC tabs knowingly, nothing like that at all..
but 2hours and teeth grinding?
that seems suspect to me...
 
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