cryptix420
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Hi there,
I'm sure most of you have heard about ketones in one form or another, for this forum's discussion I'm referring to exogenous ketones - namely beta-hydroxybutyrate (BHB). From my extremely limited understanding, BHB is a natural metabolic by-product of fat metabolism in the liver, which is sort of the whole goal of the 'keto diet.'
Anyway, here's an excerpt I stole from hvmn.com -
"When BHB enters the mitochondria of the cell, it?s converted to acetoacetate, after which it undergoes a reaction where CoA is added. The result is acetoacetyl-CoA, which is cleaved to form acetone and acetyl-CoA.
The acetyl-CoA progresses into the Krebs cycle and results in the production of ATP, which as you know, is the energy needed for the cellular functions.9
Ketones are clean-burning because they reduce the production of potentially harmful reactive oxygen species (ROS) inside cells. They?re also able to scavenge (clean up) ROS produced by other metabolic processes."
I am also fairly certain in my elementary understanding of all this that when the body utilizes ketones for energy, glucose (and thus glycogen - essentially glucose stored in the muscles) is massively spared. Meaning, less muscle break down, and exceptional blood sugar regulation, as well as less cravings for carbohydrates and sugary stuff.
Now this is all cool when talking about health, but I'm specifically interested in talking about it in relation to drugs like amphetamines and ketamine. As we all know, eating on either substance can be a bit of a challenge, and even when accomplished, it's tricky to say how much something like amphetamine interferes with proper digestion/assimilation of food and nutrients. I'm wondering if consuming exogenous ketones like BHB is an easy way to provide the brain and body with its heightened need for energy during the usage of said substances (and avoiding that gaunt, 'wasting away' look)
I also rather love swimming laps while on some good speed and a small bump of K, and I've noticed endurance that honestly outright shocks me. It's an incredibly joyous feeling, to be honest. I feel exhilarated beyond belief after one of these swim sessions, and don't feel tiredness or 'used-up-ness' at all. It feels like I am thriving. I have even noticed significant muscle gains and increase in muscle definition, as well as an overall increase in strength, muscle definition, and sense of confidence and well-being since embarking on these BHB/amp/K experiments. (Don't get me wrong though, I still eat oatmeal, good meats, grains, dairy, fruit, veggies, you know all that. I'm not saying BHB is the sole contributor - just want to be clear.)
I know this is all rather unorthodox, so to speak, but I am quite curious to hear the thoughts of my fellow intelligent bluelighters.
Much Love
I'm sure most of you have heard about ketones in one form or another, for this forum's discussion I'm referring to exogenous ketones - namely beta-hydroxybutyrate (BHB). From my extremely limited understanding, BHB is a natural metabolic by-product of fat metabolism in the liver, which is sort of the whole goal of the 'keto diet.'
Anyway, here's an excerpt I stole from hvmn.com -
"When BHB enters the mitochondria of the cell, it?s converted to acetoacetate, after which it undergoes a reaction where CoA is added. The result is acetoacetyl-CoA, which is cleaved to form acetone and acetyl-CoA.
The acetyl-CoA progresses into the Krebs cycle and results in the production of ATP, which as you know, is the energy needed for the cellular functions.9
Ketones are clean-burning because they reduce the production of potentially harmful reactive oxygen species (ROS) inside cells. They?re also able to scavenge (clean up) ROS produced by other metabolic processes."
I am also fairly certain in my elementary understanding of all this that when the body utilizes ketones for energy, glucose (and thus glycogen - essentially glucose stored in the muscles) is massively spared. Meaning, less muscle break down, and exceptional blood sugar regulation, as well as less cravings for carbohydrates and sugary stuff.
Now this is all cool when talking about health, but I'm specifically interested in talking about it in relation to drugs like amphetamines and ketamine. As we all know, eating on either substance can be a bit of a challenge, and even when accomplished, it's tricky to say how much something like amphetamine interferes with proper digestion/assimilation of food and nutrients. I'm wondering if consuming exogenous ketones like BHB is an easy way to provide the brain and body with its heightened need for energy during the usage of said substances (and avoiding that gaunt, 'wasting away' look)
I also rather love swimming laps while on some good speed and a small bump of K, and I've noticed endurance that honestly outright shocks me. It's an incredibly joyous feeling, to be honest. I feel exhilarated beyond belief after one of these swim sessions, and don't feel tiredness or 'used-up-ness' at all. It feels like I am thriving. I have even noticed significant muscle gains and increase in muscle definition, as well as an overall increase in strength, muscle definition, and sense of confidence and well-being since embarking on these BHB/amp/K experiments. (Don't get me wrong though, I still eat oatmeal, good meats, grains, dairy, fruit, veggies, you know all that. I'm not saying BHB is the sole contributor - just want to be clear.)
I know this is all rather unorthodox, so to speak, but I am quite curious to hear the thoughts of my fellow intelligent bluelighters.
Much Love