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eye_wide_open said:
The weed isn't the cause of the anxiety.
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mate.
havent we been here before ? It wasnt so long ago that you were banging on about MXE bringing about world peace or what ever.
Now you're defending cannabis with amost the same sort of passion.
Its lovely stuff but its not a harmless wonder plant.
You may have drugged yourself into hospital, so how can a few weeks of being straight be a bad idea ?
You can always return to it, with a reduced tolerance.
Not a lecture, i'm not on any kind of horse, just saying....weed can cause anxiety

7 hours after saying the weed wasnt the cause the panic attacks were back...
 
eye_wide_open said:
PS, the anxiety attacks were happening before I got my medication.
Join them dots together. The weed isn't the cause of the anxiety.
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I refused to believe this as well (I was a constant smoker, 7g a day and up) after a cocaine OD and TIA(mini-stroke) - however sometimes after extremely stressful, or physically damaging episodes with other drugs, weed can indeed cause some intense panic attacks (I had to be taken to the ER and IV'd diazepam as my heartrate was at dangerous levels.) Im not saying for sure this is whats happening in your case - just that I had the same problem after a particularly rough episode and needed to take a long break. I didnt want to believe weed was the cause of the attacks, but in the end, it was.
 
If you are going to continue to smoke cannabis, you may want to move towards strains with higher CBD concentrations. CBD will help relieve anxiety, while strains high in THC without CBD can increase anxiety in some people (Like most sativa leaning Skunks). Also the terpenoids found in most purple strains (linalool) adds more of an anti anxiety effect, especially when combined with CBD...

THC and CBD both have incredibly strong neuro-protective effects, so finding a strain high in CBD that doesn't cause anxiety could be helpful in recovery, of course you want to avoid anxiety though and should follow that path as your ultimate goal in the next couple months...

Cannabidiol (CBD) and (−)Δ9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) are neuroprotective antioxidants ( 1998 ) Primary Article
Full Study @ http://www.pnas.org/content/95/14/8268.full


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the situation you are in is existentially threatening and in such state "anxiety" is the logical reaction of your body and mind. this is normal my friend!...

my advise would be to cut off each and any psychoactive. including weed, benzos and alc. you need to step out of that circle. I know from personal experience that when you've been on drugs (on and off) for a longer time you lose your ability to read the signs. you begin to attribute every reaction to substances. (I once had an episode of panic attacks w short breath, extremely tight chest, feelings of imminent death.... and I attributed it to either some kind of sickness or substance (ab)use. at the time my logical reaction was to treat that condition with even more substances. of course it had psychological reasons that I could not see at the time as I was high all the time...)
you have abused strong psychoactives for an extended time, which alone can be stressful and maybe traumatic (especially when sobriety hits you and you look back at all the shit you've done.. ;) ). especially with drugs like MXE/uppers. they creep up on you and slowly change the way you are grounded in consensus reality.
and on top of that you have a physical problem that may or may not be connected to substance abuse.
in some way it's perfectly fine that you feel anxious. embrace it. deal with it. grow from it.

what you need is rest and sobriety. if you feel you can't make it alone get professional help. psychological help. another person's perspective can be very, very helpful in that state...

all the best!
 
What the fuck did you post that big picture for?! As if he's going to look up all of those journal articles whilst smoking and catchin' a fresh water bass! Create a story - call it science, call it peer review, call it THC/BS/WTF content -- we're just apes burning weeds and catching fish - then throwing them back - or boppin' em on the head - served up with a lemon and dill sauce! Could you get me all of those papers please, I'll find them ever so amusing after a bong.
 
Mu-ham-mad,

Your ignorance of the endocannabinoid system that regulates our immune system and CNS through cannabinoids is most likely the reason for your uncalled for post? All I am trying to do is make sure if he continues to smoke weed, which he said he would do no matter what people said. He would at least be able to use the strains that HELP with anxiety, rather than ones that potentate anxiety.. Did it really warrant a response like that? I didn't even call you out for recommending that he should smoke DMT to relieve his anxiety? Which is a horrible idea given how DMT can easily bring on feeling of death, which is exactly what he is trying to avoid....

To call cannabinoids quackery, shows your level of understanding of the biological systems in our body, and the effect exo-cannabinoids can have on the endocannabinoid systems.

Science isn't creating a story, and slapping legitimacy on it... That's more what your reply was like...

I think ending this post with EWO's quote, would be fitting "Wisdom is to know that one does not know what one does not know"
 
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Still feelin' like shit every day. Fawk me. Feels like gravity pulling me apart.
I just took another doctor prescribed lorazepam 1mg. Hopefully it helps. It was the last one.
I'm going to the doctor again tomorrow for sure. Feel like shit for real. :sus:
I'll cut back on the herbs for a few days.

Feeling like you're gonna die every day sucks ass.
My heart is pissed off at me. Conditions don't seem to be improving much, just getting more random.

then throwing them back
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LOL Free Willy FTW.

I think ending this post with EWO's quote, would be fitting "Wisdom is to know that one does not know what one does not know"
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HEhe,
I think he's just yanking your chain and saying I Should probably try to take your advice if I must smoke weed.

But I have no problems with cutting back.
I have a weird addiction to weed. I'm addicted to it, but I actually can stop when I want to or feel like it, as opposed to something seductive like MXE or Coke etc.

Fuck,
I just hope I feel better soon. This sucks. I'm definitely injured from drugs right now. It's not good for work.. driving while having an attack like this is out of the question.

Today I feel shortness of breath, chest pains, shifting balance, gravity differences, heavy weighted and light weight, temperature shifts/ hot/cold flashes, uneven heart rates from minute to minute... etc etc.
I think I edited this post enough times that the benzo is starting to kick in..

Thank goodness for whatever the hell is in those little pills that somewhat helps me feel a tiny bit better. They don't seem to be addictive. I've had 8 for a week and it said to take 2 every 8 hours. They'd have been long gone if they were addicting.

I normally don't abuse medication.
(Yet I'll stuff tons of unknown drugs up my nose).
Go figure.

Can't blame anyone for this but me, but I definitely fucked up this time.
My body is not happy with me.

Here is what the Doc gave me.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorazepam
sedation of hospitalized patients
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Oiy Vey :p I get myself into some crazy predicaments. Didn't see this one coming.
Guinea Pig, Over and out~
 
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I find it strange that I found marinol (pure thc) compleatly lacking in anxiety, even at high doses.

Boring thou, much prefer bud, thou bud has been known to cause some anxiety.

Could just be me.
 
Ya weed makes you paranoid for sure, specially some good hash or a has brownie or something.

This seems quite a bit different.

Now I wonder if this is triggered by the weed. Although, I doubt it. Sometimes I'm smoking weed and it's fine, other times I'm having death attacks weed or not, now.

I'll know soon. I'll drop the weed for a few days starting now. I won't be happy about it, but I'll do it. Anything to stop this damn feeling like the universe is gonna end. lol

That damn last pill I had sure seemed to work too.
I may need some more of those. Doc tomorrow, but that means I'll have to shell out $$$$$$$$
still waiting for the triage bill. :/
 
corky2,

I agree Marinol at 10-20mg and above is a great anti-anxiety medicine. It's also a synthetic analogue of THC, I believe - it could have a different effect on the CB1 system than THC in herb, and it is missing all the different terpenoid combinations found on the plant.

I enjoy smoking heady strains like Sour Diesel, OG Kush, Pre 98 Bubba and I always felt that Marinol didn't mix that well with actual cannabis, creates more of a burn out effect on strains that are ultra-clearheaded. I usually smoke, and only use marinol on vacation.
 
Thank goodness for whatever the hell is in those little pills that somewhat helps me feel a tiny bit better. They don't seem to be addictive. I've had 8 for a week and it said to take 2 every 8 hours. They'd have been long gone if they were addicting.
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Addicting does not mean it makes you dose compulsively or fiend for more like a stim. Use your medication as directed of course, but read up on benzo dependency so you aren't tempted to rely on them longer than necessary, and be ready to deal with rebound anxiety when it comes time to cease use.
 
I've found Gabapentin to be a lot easier on the body than benzo's, being a GABA analogue. Essentially Gabapentin was a medicine made by trying to synthesize the amino acid GABA so it could cross over the Blood Brain Barrier.

It has a very similar anti-anxiety effect to Benzo's without all the withdrawl or dependency issues. Much safer than using benzo's and it's something you can be prescribed to for a while without any worries of addiction. Just make sure you don't take any Opiods while on gabapentin...
 
Well,
no weed ingestion yet today and quite groggy,
but still having my weird attack anyway.

That settles it, it's not caused from the weed directly.

I'm 99% sure it's the MXE that started it and the Bath Salts that finished the job. lol

I'm currently stuck with daily death anxiety attacks from the use of those two drugs.
Never had this condition six months ago smoking bowls of hash after hash after hash through the skillet.

I was headed down to the hospital this morning but my ride seems to want to start an argument instead of give a shit about my health. I'll try again tomorrow.

stims cause anxiety and this can become a part of your normal cognitive framework.
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Seems to be exactly what happened. Severe anxiety too, not just normal regular anxiety.
Still need to have the kidneys tested again too, the blood test did say renal insufficiency.
I'm willing to admit I've almost died several times on these drugs but nobody else seems to want to believe that.

"It's just a regular anxiety attack, you didn't know? You're gonna be fine!"...
Suuuure.

I won't be able to say "I told you so" from the grave.
 
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eye_wide_open said:
J The weed isn't the cause of the anxiety.
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maybe not but if you are becoming reliant psychologically on benzo's weed will exacerbate and accelerate this process as cannabinoids are in many ways anti gaba (to oversimplify) hence JWH-xxx and seizures being linked

yes the anxiety from abusing stims can be crippling, hence my friend who is now addicted to sleeping pills long after the end of his cocaine addiction. he keeps binging on them then coming off them the latest being a combo of xanax and etizolam.

i myself got hooked last year and breaking away from them was much worse that giving up a heavy poppy tea habit.

the anxiety was really bad and made me feel super stressed for months.

cognitive therapy to re-learn your thought patterns might help:\

best of luck- my main point was just to remember that your anxiety and your health (kidney wise) are separate so dont lose faith.

i love cannabis but truth be told that shit is bad for anxiety even though its very nice
 
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If you're still in withdrawal, it's reasonable to take some sort of sedative to ease the difficulty. After that, long-term use of benzodiazepines can be absolutely terrible. Some people don't get addicted. Many do, and the physical benzodiazepine addiction is worse than stimulants. Withdrawal from benzodiazepines is severely unpleasant and can kill you, especially if you already have other risk factors for seizures.

Try to get some exercise, and I don't know what you've been eating but it probably sucks. Fuck the ramen noodles and buy some almonds, see if it doesn't help.
 
It's official!
I have kidney Disease from MXE and bath salts.
It hasn't gone away at all the last two weeks.
Still having random death attacks to.
Thanks MXE, Bath Salts... and mostly... MYSELF! For being a fuck-up. :(
I'll never touch another unnatural stim again.
No thanks!

Long day at the hospital today. I'll be posting more details tomorrow and I have another more serious doctor appointment next week.

Take it easy on that MXE and bath salts. I'm warning you... Take it from me, while you can!
Before you get stuck with random daily death anxiety and fucked up kidneys!

My triage bill came for the emergency room first visit also.
$3000!
Hahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaouch
 
Are you on another forum I know of...? One that works with RCs? I am surprised you used bath salts to describe whatever caused you pain, can you google the Brand or do a reagent test? I assume it is a-pvp.

Maybe it is from dehydration? What amounts were you taking it in? ROA? Details so the tragedy doesn't repeat please!

And what will you do about your problem? Is it reversible to a degree? Will you have to have dietary restrictions?
 
I hydrate more than anyone I ever seen.
I don't know what was in the "cocaine-like" bath salts I was doing.
To me, they felt just like what cocaine used to do.
I was doing two different brands. "Glass cleaner" with a lady on the label and "Chill out" bath salts.
The problems all started from my MXE overdoses though.
I had like 5-6 of those. People kept telling me it was just a bad trip or something so I shrugged them off and kept using MXE until one really really scary overdose I thought I was surely dead. It's a miracle I'm alive really. Then the same type of bad trips started happening on just Bath Salts. And now they'll happen if I smoke a phat bowl of stink ass OG weed to my done or rip some hashish. I never used to get death attacks from weed.
It just happens on it's own also, without doing anything. I'll just be sitting at the PC and BAM I feel like death is coming and I'm scared for my life running around the hose trying to "walk it off" which seems to help for some reason.
On top of that, I've been walking half an hour a day around my block to try and get some exercise. Or going fishing, or whatever.. yard work.

I have a bunch more papers from the doctor I could post but why bother.
I've had enough of the doctors right now and I'm going to get more of them next week.
Yay!

The new medication I got today stops the death attacks though. Thank goodness.
Sat in the hospital 12 hours for a second 2 week out blood test to check the renel insufficiency again and it hasn't dropped AT ALL from the first test. That's a good indicator I have problems the doctor said. Now I'm heading for the specialist. (The last one flaked and cancelled my appointment without telling me)

The flakey doctor told me to come back I said I'm going to another hospital. Drove half hour away to another town and found another hospital that will offer me insurance and give me the benzos I actually need.

I just took one and it's supposed to help me fall asleep, but it appears I've done so many drugs even the new medication has little effect but to mask the effects of the death anxiety attacks, which is good enough. That shit is terrible.

The pharmacy made a big deal about how the new medication was worse than Xanax or k-pins but I'm sitting here typing to you now, no problems. I've tried Xanax before and that was more powerful than what I have now.
 
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