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Evolution VS Bible
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phatass
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i'm rootin for evolution WOOP WOOP GO EVOLUTIOOOOOOOON!!
claire22
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B9
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I haven't the faintest notion why some religious people insist evolution is bunk theory - it doesn't seem to me to contradict the religious texts
calmAnimal
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i completely believe in evolution. but i think that humans are the end of how evolution has been going. evolution is nature trying to perfect its creatures , ie. faster, stronger, bigger teeth, claws etc. in our case it went for more inteligence, giving us the use of our brains and therefore the ability to use a wide variety of tools in different situations. Although we can increase our inteligence, we can "fix" most of our problems without evolving further. im sure im not the first person to realize this but thats my thoughts on evolution.
as for the bible and religion, i am not a religious person. i know i will take heat for this but i see the use of god as a sort of cop out. asking him to show u the answers to ur problems and making u a better person. i think that a person should be good because its the right thing to do not because god wants u too. and when things work out, it wasnt cuz god made them work.
this kind of came off as ramble, my bad haha
as for the bible and religion, i am not a religious person. i know i will take heat for this but i see the use of god as a sort of cop out. asking him to show u the answers to ur problems and making u a better person. i think that a person should be good because its the right thing to do not because god wants u too. and when things work out, it wasnt cuz god made them work.
this kind of came off as ramble, my bad haha
Technically the height-and-weight thing is due to better nutrition and healthcare rather than evolution. But I understand your point.
Most Christian denominations - certainly the Catholic church, which is the one I believe in - still affirm that the Bible is wholly without error in all its parts. However, Christians have been dealing with conflict between the Bible and Science for pretty much their entire existence. St. Augustine wrote about how Christians who said that the earth was created in 6 24-hour days were being mocked by Pagans and doing harm to the religion, much as today Christians who say that evolution is false are mocked by atheists. The solution? Genre theory. This has *always* been the way the Bible was looked at, until fairly recently. To take one early example, the Prophetical books were always understood to speak in riddles (as God affirms through Moses in the Book of Deuteronomy), again, until fairly recently.
So most Christians, even very orthodox ones like the Catholics and Eastern Orthodox, see the first chapter of Genesis as being of a particular genre, and was not meant to be interpreted literally - just as the early Church Fathers said. The extent to which the genre theory should be extended is a very controversial area - i.e. should we view the Abraham stories as actual history or epic tales akin to the Aeneid - but nearly everyone agrees with the genre idea.
As for prophecy? Every generation thinks that it is the last. The truth is that we will never know for sure when Judgment day will come. It could come tomorrow. It could come a thousand years from now. Christ did give us some specific things to look out for but the interpretation of these signs is tricky; I feel confident in saying that the fundamentalist Protestant "rapture" theology is false but can't offer an interpretation of my own.
rantNrave
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Noooo, lets get this straight, there are facts then theres everthing else. Science is not here to "supplement religion", science deals with fact, religion deals with belief, superstition, and dogma. Belief can be founded in tea leaves or goat droppings as easy as it can the bones of our dead ancestors or a book based on the uninformed ramblings of borderline mentally ill people ranting about their visions from god.
Here are a few FACTS;
The universe is 13.5 BILLION years old
The Earth is approximatly 4.5 billion years old
The human genome has been mapped and it is an undeniable fact that all human life on earth originated in Africa. All human racial diversity constitutes less than 0.1% of the human DNA sequence.
Caucasian people were not white when they originally migrated from Africa to Europe they TURNED white because their bodies needed to absorb as much vitamin D as possible from the sun. It was cold where they were so they improvised and covered themselves with furs from animals to stay warm. But later their bodies began to grow more hair to stay warm. Something they did not have to do in sunny, hot Africa. Adaptation to a different or changing environment by species is EVOLUTION! Failure to adapt to a new enviroment, disease, or predatory influences, is taken care of by Natural Selection, otherwise known as "survival of the fittest". Those not worthy of survival do not pass their genes on to the next generation.
Belief, is a powerful thing, but belief often stands in the way of reason. Unless what you believe in is REASON. What people believe on a spirtual basis rarely has anything to do with facts or how things really are, it has to do with how they were brought up.
Belief is what caused the Catholic church to excommunicate Galileo. Dispite the fact that Galileo was right, the Earth does indeed revolve around the Sun, the church excommunicated him for heresy. But 500 years later, the church "forgave" Galileo because it changed its dogma and decided that the Big Bang suited its own ends.
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if it were only so simple, we wouldn't have to try so hard!
to beat up on evolution nerdz easier and to have a couple homeboys to share a gym group shower with
...sorry, the reponse seems appropriate given the first several posts in this thread.
if it were only so simple, we wouldn't have to try so hard!
to beat up on evolution nerdz easier and to have a couple homeboys to share a gym group shower with
...sorry, the reponse seems appropriate given the first several posts in this thread.
I believe in evolution (well, theistic evolution) but aren't you begging the question a bit? People who deny evolution, while IMO wrong, aren't nearly as stupid as you probably think they are.
coelophysis
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Evolution is.
The bible is part of evolution.
So is tomorrow.
The bible is part of evolution.
So is tomorrow.
rantNrave
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Theres a difference between ignorant and stupid. Ignorance is simply not knowing the facts, stupidity is knowing and denying the facts.
I wouldn't say that they're either, though. At least a good number of the actual scientists. These are smart guys, they know the evidence and feel that it's insufficient for evolution. I respect that opinion, even though my own (cursory) examination of the evidence has led me to believe in evolution. It really bugs me how people think that they're morons or something.
Atheists can be really arrogant sometimes.
rantNrave
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But, I don't claim to be an atheist, what bugs me is the belief that believers have the right to profess their faith to the world and that we have to listen. Noooo, sorry I don't subscribe to that polite delusion. I'm sorry, I don't have to listen. I have no time for their back-filled, half baked "Intelligent" Design theory. Theres absolutely nothing intelligent about "Intelligent Design". It's made up bullshit! They reached up and grabbed a random sampling of stuff from thin air.
