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Evolution of the Nerd

Jeez, Beli, you sure sound like a nerd :p I think there's something to this nerd business because most of the people in my programme (electronics engineering) are really unattractive in all kinds of ways. People always seem surprised when I tell them what it is I'm studying because I don't "look like a nerd". Funny thing is, most people could figure out this math shit if they really applied themselves but in Western society failure is treated as offensive and anyone who has a good enough look to capitalize on are encouraged to "be who you want to be". That half-assed advice usually snowballs into a justification to give up altogether on the math they've been failing (for lack of trying) and just go learn some useless bullshit which really isn't important to anyone but it doesn't matter because individual social skills and looks are what will keep them afloat after graduation. Working in the corporate world, at least, I realized that to be true. If you have enough credentials to get your foot in the door you could be the most worthless guy at the company and will still get promoted if you've got enough looks and charm.

Long story short, society is a sick parlour trick. If you really want to fit in with the other magicians just pay a dentist to give you a perfect smile and you'll be set for life like Nicholas Cage who really isn't an attractive fellow and was downright fucking hideous before his teef got fixt.
 
Lysis said:
I think the reason nerds are considered unattractive a lot of times is because their habits often lead to poor hygiene and obesity. The big fat guy eating doritos and never showering isn't very attractive. However, the emerging brogrammer and hogrammer have changed the stereotypical nerd.

I've been attracted to nerds who were really intelligent but kept themselves clean and dressed nicely. The ones that scare me away are the ones who take no pride in themselves such as smoking like a chimney, don't take care of themselves or are obese.
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This reminds me of one relatively young professor who worked in the university I study in some years ago. That guy was a real nerd, and came to work later than others because he always wrote code late at night and had to sleep late. He was very fat, ate only junk food and there were empty coke bottles all over his office. There was also a strange pungent smell of sweat in his room because he didn't take care of his hygiene. Somehow he still had a wife who put up with his habits.

In my case, its more like a vicious circle of first doing badly in social life, then becoming depressed, and then eating too much, taking bad care of myself and drinking because of the depression, becoming even more unattractive etc. This has been going on since I was in high school. I know I should be exercising to get more energy to break the cycle.

Lysis said:
ETA: Polymath, just saw your pic and you aren't bad. Too bad I don't live near you. I'd take you shopping, get you a hair cut and a facial, and teach you the ways of the wymens. :D I like a project. :D
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Haha, I've actually been to Florida once. I liked the Disneyland and JFK space center.
 
Polymath, I think you are being too hard on yourself. You aren't out of the realm of lovable or obese or someone who couldn't attract women. The problem with having a low self esteem is that it aggregates and compiles to a point where the guy just doesn't think himself capable anymore. Just an FYI: you would be surprised what a shopping spree, some spiffy clothes, a nice haircut and some old fashion manscaping can do for you in the women department. The hard part is the confidence and ability to talk to women. We aren't all that scary, I promise you. Maybe if you realize that we have the same self esteem issues that you do, it might be easier.

That ability to talk to women and people in general with an air of confidence is hard, but I've been attracted to full-blown nerds who wouldn't be considered hot in any means, but they dress nice, keep up their appearance and just pay me attention and sit and teach me something (I'm kinda a nerd myself, so that might help :)

I'd much rather hang out with someone like that than some dumb jock for sure.
 
Lysis said:
The hard part is the confidence and ability to talk to women. We aren't all that scary, I promise you. Maybe if you realize that we have the same self esteem issues that you do, it might be easier.
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this. Lysis is exactly right. and I knew it wouldn't take too long for her to pop on in a "nerd" thread here in SLR ;)
 
The evolutionary component OP mentioned reminds me of Dr. Strangelove when they're discussing breeding the doctors/scientists/engineers with no less than 9 women a piece.
 
-=SS=- said:
But the relation to evolution? "Nerds" are people who tend to excel at one particular tangent of mental output, computer gaming or reading books for example, or they can be broadly intelligent across a spectrum, but regardless they are more mentally driven/focused than the normal person. Obviously this is a bad generalization but for this explanation it will suffice. .
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I know a lot of nerds who are really lazy and dont get off their asses; often there not more mentally driven/focused than the normal person, they just have interests and act the way people consider to be nerdy
 
I love this topic.

Let me start this by saying, in 2012, nerds became cool.

There's a whole shit ton of reasons for this - one of them being things like Mario becoming icons for having stood the test of time, etc - and people wearing that as a fashion statement. I for instance, would classify myself as a geek - I don't quite fit the 'nerd' classification - i'm not unattractive, don't wear glasses - socialize - but for all intensive purpose, im a total fucking nerd. I'd be willing to bet 90% of guys here on bluelight probably fit into this category too.

I feel that the difference in those two terms is thus;
Geeks get laid, nerds do not.

Anyway - The nerds/savant/aspergers type genius guys you see everywhere really do have trouble getting girls in bed - but they do accomplish it - believe me. It's probably better such genetics don't pollute the gene pool further anyway - as much as we need these people in the world, they go largely unnoticed.

If you feel you're a nerdy type of guy - try looking for groups of people who share activities you do - anime conventions are probably a good start point to find nerdy chicks- aswell as forums like deviant art etc where it's lots of girls posting their fanpics n stuff - you'd be surprised how damn horny geeky chicks are. IMO most of them are quite unattractive but you see some good ones here n there, and they look real good done up in cosplay at the festivals.

If you're musically inclined use that talent to make music, get played and get your voice out - girls love djs ;)
 
yeah I hear that man. From age 8ish-14ish I was a big gamer, which got me into computers. Then in high school I started using more drugs and got more into that "gangster" lifestyle (more like had too much pot/time on my hands) and now I just retained both interests.

So im a geek who also like rap music, sports, and fitness (though I havent worked out in a solid year, knowledge is forever)

and weed, dont want to leave that out
 
in terms of evolution, i think people with intelligence, introversion and obsessiveness - the typical "nerd" profile - see both positives and negatives. on the one hand, they often succeed in many of the more lucrative career fields (math, science, engineering) because of their intelligence and passion for their field. on the other hand, they have the introvert's potential for social isolation, as well as the tendency of the obsessive to let other areas of their life go unattended (hygiene, fitness, diet, etc). i know a lot of "nerds" who are very happy and successful, and have no problem finding romantic partners. but they also take care of themselves and have learned how to talk to people.
 
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This is the golden age of the Nerd/Geek. Never before in history have your people had so much power and respect. I realize it must not seem like that to you, but trust me this is the era of Geek Chic and it's likely to only grow stronger as we move fully into our plastic future of bubble cities and concrete and technocratic authoritarian governments. Then the computers will probably take charge fully and your people will become a slave class, but that will likely not happen for at least a decade.

Seriously - there are many excellent bits of advice above. In general - nerds are well networked now and have become very skilled at building scenes. There are many very kinky nerdy people out there into all kinds of deviant sex and alternative ways of living. The inherent non-conformity in nerds was long suppressed as they tended to be so isolated and picked on, but in this new era they have really been coming into their own. Go out there and make your own world - as long as you are not in a very sparsely populated place there are more sympatico people around you then you might think....
 
I was about to say the same thing. As computers become more and more integrated into society, having the ability to diagnose and fix them is a valuable skill.

I remember this kid in my school would be like " oh you play pc games a lot, have fun living in your moms basement forever"

then the next year he comes up to me " hey man do you think you could help me get my graduation project off my hard drive, my computer died the other day"

"no sorry man I have to redo my mom's entire basement this weekend"

aka

diaf
 
Well, isn't it obvious why nerds have come to be in human evolution? If your particular specie lived in the jungle you need individuals who are great tree climbers and have great night vision, even if they are idiots. If you live in the planes you need individuals who can run really fast, even if they are idiots. If you live in the city you need individuals who can do math, even if they are slow or weak.
 
llama112 said:
It's hard to define a "nerd".
Like KhyaBean said, many of the rich people are "nerds". (Using the definition that nerds are really smart people.) I guess that makes myself and my boyfriend a nerd then??
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exactly the concept is hugely subjective and as such holds little merit other than being a stereotype that people believe in creating a continuity of identity á la hipsters.

for me anyone with a particular skill or talent is attractive due to the skill. artist? sexy. Builder? sexy. Dancer? sexy. etc.
 
ACTUALLY, girls are more attracted to nerds than you think. Always in school/class there's that "nerd"... for each of your friends... in that class..
The nerds never get the girl because they don't even ask. :shrug:
The bad boys always beat them to it and they just think, "Oh, I'm a "nerd"--she'll never dig me like that"
But then the girls are thinking, "Omg, he's so smart, so considerate, kind, gentle, nice, blah. nervous makes me giggly, I pretend play dumb so HE'LL TALK TO ME".
Advice: Quit yo bitchin' and start asking them out to "study dates" and then "dates" :O
 
Pretty_Diamonds said:
ACTUALLY, girls are more attracted to nerds than you think.
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Yeah.. it happens right when the nerd is in their 30s or 40s and all that studying paid off and their bank account is as big as their egg head. ;)

But yea i agree with your post..


I also agree that this is a justifyable reason lots of nerds have low self-esteem:

Lysis said:
I think the reason nerds are considered unattractive a lot of times is because their habits often lead to poor hygiene and obesity. The big fat guy eating doritos and never showering isn't very attractive. However, the emerging brogrammer and hogrammer have changed the stereotypical nerd.
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Also can't forget the skinny-to-death nerd.


MY ULTIMATE advice to nerds: play sports or do something else, if you want a social life beyond LAN parties and the lame kind of role-playing.
 
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