evolution: godXistence playing at bEcoming an infinite nuMber of beings

[methamaniac]

No, the baby is 'programmed' with potentials for knowledge.

And also no, to understand knowledge you need wisdom. I think maybe to FIND knowledge you need awareness - I can't think of anyway a rock can find knowledge nor understand it... although there is a possibility some crystals might. :D

I'm also unsure about creating 'new' - we might not be creating it but then again it is possible we are. More soon - got to go get my food from the stove... :D

So not to get caught up in semantics let me define awareness, knowledge, wisdom as I see them.
Knowledge is basically information.
It can be specified or unspecified.
Awareness is the undestanding of this knowledge.
Wisdom is a more complex form of understanding of knowledge and awareness.
You must first have knowledge and awareness to get wisdom.

The baby is given some basic knowledge (information) and awareness(understanding).
You call this potential....I would call it ability.

Can knowledge and awareness exist apart?
That's a tough question.
I would say unspecified information could
but not awareness. And also depends on what one considers "exist" to be.
I believe they give meaning to each other.
Understanding is what makes them "alive."

 

[Erikmen]

Yes I believe knowledge and awareness can co-exist or exist apart each other.
Understanding or not, we all are alive though imo.

 

[Journyman16]

So not to get caught up in semantics let me define awareness, knowledge, wisdom as I see them.
Knowledge is basically information.
It can be specified or unspecified.
Awareness is the undestanding of this knowledge.
Wisdom is a more complex form of understanding of knowledge and awareness.
You must first have knowledge and awareness to get wisdom.

The baby is given some basic knowledge (information) and awareness(understanding).
You call this potential....I would call it ability.

Can knowledge and awareness exist apart?
That's a tough question.
I would say unspecified information could
but not awareness. And also depends on what one considers "exist" to be.
I believe they give meaning to each other.
Understanding is what makes them "alive."

For mine...
Information is just that, data.
Knowledge is information that has been applied, or perhaps tested. e.g. "that stove is hot" is information. Knowledge comes after the first time you touch the hot plate and find out the information is true.
Wisdom is applied knowledge, the choosing of they knowledge that informs your life and decisions.
Awareness is perception in its various forms.

One can be aware with no information. You can hear a sound in the night that is unfamiliar and your mind will suggest all kinds of things as it hunts to connect information to awareness.

You can have information with no knowledge - we have only to look around the internet to see the truth of that.

You can have knowledge with no understanding. We see countries do shit all the time based on knowledge of things and it turns out to be exactly the wrong thing to do because they didn't really understand the situation or perhaps the people they were confronting.

Can you have understanding without wisdom? Not sure but I tend to think you can but it might be you can only have it that way if you ignore or act against your understanding.

That's how I see things.

 

[methamaniac]

I think we basically agree with minor differences.
Trying to go much farther becomes circular.
Only thing I would add.

One can be aware with no infomation. You can hear a sound in the night that is unfamiliar and your mind will suggest all kinds of things as it hunts to connect information to awareness.

Sound is information.
You cant beaware without information.
You may not recognize the information,
but it is still information.
I.e. no sound no awareness of it

 

[Journyman16]

Agreed... with a proviso. We do not just hear sound. Sound arrives and our ears convert it and channel it. The data gets coloured by emotion (which is why so often a glimpse of something out of the corner of the eye BEGINS with scary possibilities - it's a survival reaction to first assume danger) and then associated with previous experience. The step most people miss is the next one - it should THEN be presented to the Being so it can be thought over and an action taken based on all the information content, the knoweldge associated and the emotional colouring.

Many react on the colour, most of the rest react on the past associations, and only a few treat all new events as unique.

When I say Aware with no information, I am talking about awareness of the sound but no information that lets us decide what it is... i.e. that lets us turn the information into knowledge. If it is a sound we have heard before, the association step informs us as to what the sound is, so we get knowledge, not just the information of the sound itself.

I'm sure we have all had experience of talking to someone who is deeply involved with something and getting zero response. We know the information is getting to them but they are not aware, nor does the information actively spark emotion or association.

(in actuality is IS received but that's an entirely different conversation :D)