Amen to that. Heh heh, it's a bloody forum for christs sake! Well personally I think the reason for MDMA not being as good anymore is because it's cut with smack, you see them brown speckels? I once got mushrooms in a pill once and another time one which was pure coke.
I appologize for the typos on my previous thread but the soma started kicking in and It began to effect my typing (and vision).
But anyway, like I stated, I did my first hit of E in 88' (it was technically 87') when I consumed it but it didn't kick in until 88' ( new years.)
But anyway, the myth that MDXX is cut with heroin goes back to the late 80s at least as well as the urban myth that MDMA drains spinal fluid. Well spinal fluid is constantly beiing drained and replenished via the coroid plexus. If that got plugged up you would get hydrcephelus and need a shunt. If it drained that would be normal as long as the fluid shift didn't happen to fast (then you would get a herniated brainstem, fuck knows).
But as far as heroin being used as an adulterant. I don't think that it is the case for several reasons.
1.) Heoin is more valuable, per weight than MDXX, and even small flakes wouldn't be a cost effective method of cutting the drug.
2.) There is a well recognized heroin drought in europe, and though your heroin is brown like the brown powder or mostly black tar we get on the west coast- it wouldn't be wasted as a cut, since the demand is so huge, it would be cut with bash and sold on the black market, not likely used as bash.
3.) Though heroin is a potent compound compared to MDXX, its bioavailability (the amount of drug that enters your bloodstream is much less when used IV or smoked, so yet another reason why these guys wouldn't waste their time using it as a cut.
4.) Are they connected to the same people that sell heroin, if not, then they wouldn't be getting it at a bulk discount providing further disensentive to cut their dope with heroin.
When I had a friend that allegedly cooked it uo a long time ago, he used isosafrole obtained from the company he was employed at and synthesized part of it in his company's lab and finished some of the steps in his bath tub or whatever part of his premises, probably the purification steps, adapting Shulgin's receipe. He ran it using thin layer chromatography so he new he had MDMA, and that should have shown contaminates that would have run at different rates. It had brown specks. That was probably a contaminate ( either a reagent or an intermediate.) Porbably needed more washing with acetone or recrystalization. I do know it was decent E. When I took it with my now wife in Maui in 94' we felt good euphoria, but subtle. Non of the I want to be at one with everyone and the universe I experienced with previous great rolls.
By the way, I'm so old that rolling was years away from describing the experience. We used to call it X and doing it Xing. By 93 we were calling it E and being on it "on E".
Selling coke as E wouldn't make much sense either unless the person was snorting the powder or using it subligual or subucally. Again, cocaine, even pure has poor oral bioavailability.
As far as ephedrine, that is a likely cut as well as piperazine, of course, and one of the amphetamines, ketamine, and robitussin. Pill reports gives a better picture if you look in to that- it will tell you if you got an MDXX substance.
A question I would ask, because aside for a few times, I didn't know for certainty if it was MDMA or an analogue, for those who know- how does the high from MDMA compare with MDA? They talk about "cones of silences" and a hallucinogenic component to MDA. Uncle Fester, the author of
Secrets of methamphetamine Manufacture which I'm not sure is legal in the UK, says that MDA gives a much more euphoric high than MDMA- calling MDMA its poorer cousin- but he is contreversial in his opinions.
But different sterioisomers have diffrenent effects. As I tried to state before, the racemate of MDMA had "a sparkle" that sterioisomers lacked.
Ephedrine and pseudoephedrine is used throughout the world to make methamphetamine via different synthetic routes. In the US they use one that requires red phosphorous and KI (potassium iodide) called the red, white, and blue method because of the color of the reagents- popular with bikers and mexican cartels. In the US midwest, they use another pseudo bassed method that requires anhydrous ammonium, a substance that is popular in agriculture, hence its popularity in the area. In Burma, they use some chlorinated intermediate.
MD-P2P I believe is a yellow oil and safrole, the most common precursore for MDMA is an oil as has been pointed out although I don't know what color. Speed popular in the Europe, with the exception of the Czech Republick and Slovakia, were methamphetamine (pervertin) has been popular since communist days, the prevailing amphetamine is amphetamine sulfate or base. For this P2P is the starting compound I believe that is a closely watched compound in many countries (especially the USA), hence the assendency of pseudo/ ephedrine as the precursor.
Whats my point- the pseudo routes lead to only dextro-methamphetamine. The P2P- to a receimic product were the sterioisomers, if desired, need to be resolved. Maybe something analogous might be happening- less safrole around so cooks are finding a new precuror that leads to one particular sterioisomer- but this is all theoretical.
But anyway, I used to smoke heroin on the comdown, before baseline- it would make me feel grounded and wrap me in a warm blanket of euphoria.
But when your talking of aquiring heroin habits, the cure is worse than the disease- valium would help with the anxious comedown too.
Bottom ine, though, the cutting of MDXX with heroin is an urban myth in my poorly informed opinion.