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European MDMA vs. American

nailz said:
I was just about to post about the isomers, im glad people got there before me.

MDMA is MDMA is MDMA.. yadda yadda, it's not that simple though at all, there are most definitely subtle differences as a result of differing production processes.

And dont give me this set and setting bullshit, obviously that comes into it but it's not the single factor.
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I fully agree with this.

Also WTF is wrong with dabbing MDMA. You put 120mg in cap and a LOT of people will be absolutely fucked, having to sit down, heavy legged, monged out mess.

I personally find dabbing is a great way to consume, very controllable. That might be it though. 14 years ago i was all for double dropping and walking about like a e-tard. Now I prefer to feel great, but not look like a gurning tool.
 
post-drought mdma has been the same as pre-drought for me. i do have a good connection though.

i don't pay enough attention to subtle differences from batch to batch to be honest. as long as it makes me feel how it should make me feel im not complaining.
 
the fact that 10000's of people never thought there was anything wrong with all the pipz pills in this country shows how much preconceptoins/imagination play a part in drug experiences, (basically placebo effect even if it is an active substance),its even been prooven that different coloured placebo pills tested next to each other have different but predictable quantifiable effects. Your personal drug experince isnt a reliable test for anything.
 
Rasclatt said:
the fact that 10000's of people never thought there was anything wrong with all the pipz pills in this country shows how much preconceptoins/imagination play a part in drug experiences, (basically placebo effect even if it is an active substance),its even been prooven that different coloured placebo pills tested next to each other have different but predictable quantifiable effects. Your personal drug experince isnt a reliable test for anything.
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wrong.

the handful of times i was pipped between the years of 2007 and 2010, every time i checked PR, i was 100 per cent correct.

i think i no what a pip is since i started using md in 1988

dont pidgeonhole everybody in the same category, science has a dogmatic way of trying to do so.

there is no such thing as sweeping generalisations for the masses

the only thing science can 100 per cent determine is how mdma works, and what is classified as mdma, other than that, theres still lots unanswered
 
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I was using it as an example of how your preconceptions and imagination can massivley colour a subjective experience. No matter how experienced with the drug you are. I wasnt saying you wouldnt be able to tell a pipz pill or lots of people for that matter (everyone on this board probably).

I'm sorry but when your describing the experience of pills has having " a more large scale industrial feel to them."

or making "music sound crystal clear". etc

as being differing effects between batches its complete nonsense. How does a drug feel "large scale and industrial"??

what part of the music sounded more crystal clear? Are you sure that wasnt just a better soundsystem maybe? .

its your imagination colouring your experiences.
 
Rasclatt said:
I was using it as an example of how your preconceptions and imagination can massivley colour a subjective experience. No matter how experienced with the drug you are. I wasnt saying you wouldnt be able to tell a pipz pill or lots of people for that matter (everyone on this board probably).

I'm sorry but when your describing the experience of pills has having " a more large scale industrial feel to them."

or making "music sound crystal clear". etc

as being differing effects between batches its complete nonsense. How does a drug feel "large scale and industrial"??

what part of the music sounded more crystal clear? Are you sure that wasnt just a better soundsystem maybe?? .

its your imagination colouring your experiences.
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thats fine if you want to believe that, i have no problems with it.

as long as youve got your md or pills or whatever, and your testing them and happy with them, and most importantly enjoying and feel safe on them, thats all that matters.

all you have to do is bypass whatever i put, on pr or here or wherever. any user reprots on pr are there for a reason, otherwise wed just have a photo of a test kit with science proving in a picture that its an md substance and it would be left at that.

maybe pm one of the mods on pr and make a suggestion to just put up the duration come up and come down, and just have scientific evidence in a photo to prove that picture shows a pill being tested so we can all leave it at that. im happy to go with whatever, thats what the mods are there for if you want to make suggestions
 
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dee_dee said:
maybe pm one of the mods on pr and make a suggestion to just put up the duration come up and come down, and just have scientific evidence in a photo to prove that picture shows a pill being tested so we can all leave it at that. im happy to go with whatever, thats what the mods are there for if you want to make suggestions
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I havnt been on pill reports in years and only very occasionally take mdma nowdays. But if I remember alot of the pills aren't actually regent tested which is where the comments are useful as a backup, especially if there are alot of similar comments saying similar things.
 
well, its going to get a whole lot more intersting next month when my complete test kit arrives seriously.

watch out for pr, theres going to be regular tests and user reports with various goodies and baddies that are given to me, combined with my honest opinions of how they make me feel from start to finish.

i like to let the general consumer public like me make there own decisions as to what they think, if they want to look out for things based on what i say, thats upto them, or if they want to put it down to me not knowing what i experience, then thats fine too, im pretty easy going.

i like pr its been a great help to me in the last 4 or 5 years, and ive also enjoyed giving back and warning people of nasty fake stuff, or telling people about during the drought when i considered myself lucky to come across a few real things too.

if it helps another person like me at the end of the day then im happy
 
dee_dee said:
well, its going to get a whole lot more intersting next month when my complete test kit arrives seriously.

watch out for pr, theres going to be regular tests and user reports with various goodies and baddies that are given to me, combined with my honest opinions of how they make me feel from start to finish.

i like to let the general consumer public like me make there own decisions as to what they think, if they want to look out for things based on what i say, thats upto them, or if they want to put it down to me not knowing what i experience, then thats fine too, im pretty easy going.

i like pr its been a great help to me in the last 4 or 5 years, and ive also enjoyed giving back and warning people of nasty fake stuff, or telling people about during the drought when i considered myself lucky to come across a few real things too.

if it helps another person like me at the end of the day then im happy
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Props to you sir, good attitude! %)

Sorry if I came over rude upthread - no offense intended...
 
Its like european cars vs american cars lol.... Europe i think produce higher quality and purity mdma than usa/canada. But the worlds drug trends have totally changed from euro mdma dominance (90s-mid 2000s) to north american dominance (mid 2OOOs-recent) When europe (netherlands) were supplying most of the worlds mdma was more popular world-wide and european union had not yet pressured netherlands to control their epherdrine, so more people were makeing mdma and the precursors were still cheap and easy to acquire, makeing a goldern age with high quality cheap pills. Then when coke became popular and xtc more difficult to produce in europe, so less mdma is produced causeing a mdma drought in the 'new' large xtc markets, north america and australia. epherdrine was getting more expensive in usa and canada due to fight against meth etc, so crime groups in north america with links to the cheap asian epherdrine and saffross oil suppliers could now produce the cheapest and best quality mdma so they naturally filled the void. But cos Its less profitable to produce high purity mdma, but a need to produce mdma as cheap as possible due to invasion of cheap meth/mdxx/pipes combo pills
 
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OND43X said:
Its like european cars vs american cars lol.... Europe i think produce higher quality and purity mdma than usa/canada. But the worlds drug trends have totally changed from euro mdma dominance (90s-mid 2000s) to north american dominance (mid 2OOOs-recent) When europe (netherlands) were supplying most of the worlds mdma was more popular world-wide and european union had not yet pressured netherlands to control their epherdrine, so more people were makeing mdma and the precursors were still cheap and easy to acquire, makeing a goldern age with high quality cheap pills. Then when coke became popular and xtc more difficult to produce in europe, so less mdma is produced causeing a mdma drought in the 'new' large xtc markets, north america and australia. epherdrine was getting more expensive in usa and canada due to fight against meth etc, so crime groups in north america with links to the cheap asian epherdrine and saffross oil suppliers could now produce the cheapest and best quality mdma so they naturally filled the void. But cos Its less profitable to produce high purity mdma, but a need to produce mdma as cheap as possible due to invasion of cheap meth/mdxx/pipes combo pills
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Epherdrine isn't a precursor for MDMA, crap analogy too.
 
I think people don't give enough importance to the extent set and setting affect an experience, and not just the place where you drop or the people you drop with but your own body chemistry.

I take a variety of supplements and they affect experiences massively, even diet could affect how certain drugs work on you.
 
2 mates of mine told me the other night "ohh man, we've got our hands on these shit-hot pills -- red mickey mouses!!!"

I told them DONT TAKE THEM!

"nah mate, its cool, it's from our mate he is 100% sound.."

I told them not to take them

"too late mate..."

Anyway they said they really liked them, didn't feel sick or anything. I could tell from the expression in their faces though they were much more removed from the group than usual and not loving it as much. Much more insular and slightly weird.

I didn't tell them about the reports of people sicking up blood etc, it would clearly jinx/colour their experience. They got away with it luckily, and only did one pill each.
 
ecsplosiv said:
2 mates of mine told me the other night "ohh man, we've got our hands on these shit-hot pills -- red mickey mouses!!!"

I told them DONT TAKE THEM!

"nah mate, its cool, it's from our mate he is 100% sound.."

I told them not to take them

"too late mate..."

Anyway they said they really liked them, didn't feel sick or anything. I could tell from the expression in their faces though they were much more removed from the group than usual and not loving it as much. Much more insular and slightly weird.

I didn't tell them about the reports of people sicking up blood etc, it would clearly jinx/colour their experience. They got away with it luckily, and only did one pill each.
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Are there not 2cb red micky mouses goin round?
 
nope not that I've heard of -- all BZP/TFMPP which can be trippy so might explain why some ppl thought 2-cb

On PR there are reports of different variations, some with the mickey stamp on both sides, some with a bull on the other side, some with a blank reverse side.
 
dee_dee said:
would you like your mdma made via some beautiful sweet safrole powder?

or would you like your mdma made via some harsh, crude, industrial pesticide or whatever?

Hmmm, i wonder....
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safrole's not a powder at STP. BTW safrole is a pesticide. the safrole-producing plants produce safrole as a pesticide. sassafras albidum and ocotea cymbarum do it to protect their roots. piper auritum, illicium parviflorum and others produce it to protect their leaves.
 
ok cheers thanks for that. i was always under the impression that piperonal acetate is a pesticide.

are you sure your not confsusing what your talking about with that or camphor oil?
 
you are correct just googled. i think youll find though safrole is reasonably beautiful and sweet compared to something more crude
 
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