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European MDMA vs. American

i have taken mdma crystal various ways.

as i have said before, it is mdma regardless of what i feel from it and always will be

i possibly believe i may just be a very sensitive person, who can detect changes in the mdma, possibly from the way its been made/precursors that have been used.

some people have said that could be possible, some people say thats definitley not possible. its whatever really. i have a good time regardless.

but i personally believe for me, some feel more crude, dodgy, possibly even toxic than others, and some do not.

but as has already been said, that could be various things like related to dose, some crystals may be of higher purity than others.

unless i could tell the purity of a crystal then ill never no will i
 
mattnotrik said:
Hello.

but on a serious note you have not tried enough pills over your time to judge at all, twice in america then twice with crystal in europe?

Im not being funny but id rather be in a continent where the pills are either mdma OR a different chemical, the pills are high dosed at 160-180++ mg, the pills are rarely lower than 80mg

rather than a continent where the high dosed pills are considered 90-100mg, the pills are adulterated with speed, the piperazine pills have about 5mg of MDMA added purely to fool the tester 8)

If you had some pills from 2011 from the UK and the US and you gave them both to about 50 different people all in the same setting at different times, id probally listen to such a study
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No - lived in US and EU for many years. I'm only talking about MDMA crystal. Not pills.
 
Shambles said:
Get busted every now and then - GC/MS test results are handy for reference purposes if occasionally also a tad irksome to go through the rigmarole of getting.
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lol, great stuff. ive been avoiding this scenario for many years, even though im just a personal user.

i go out, buy whatever, we take it, we go home, finished, until next time. nothing in the home, no stocking up even for my personal use, no matter how tempting, or convieniant or much cheaper it could be

i can see myself now after 23 years standing in the middle of the street waving a bag of md in my hand around shouting out, please arrest me =D
 
Hehe. Am but an 'umble punter meself and always have been. Never sold MD even in my Bad years when I possibly may or may not have sold other substances of wonder and joy and pain and wretchedness and profit and loss and GC/MS tests all round and stuff and that.

Also works if some other poor sod gets busted and you just happen to ask nicely what it said on the evidence sheet. Or so I would surmise...
 
dee_dee said:
i seriously believe i must be very sensitive and can detect different synth methods or precursor chems used or something along those lines
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With that level of sensitivity, I’m surprised you cannot detect subtleties that may hint and suggest how many people were involved in the manufacturing process, their names, the postcode of the laboratory and possibly, just possibly, what was on the radio at the time of production.

Ok, the last one is a bit silly, but I’m sure the rest are perfectly feasible - if you have that level of sensitivity that is...

All very interesting stuff, I look forward to your next pill report with the additional info ;)
 
I've come into this thread a bit late, so sorry if someone's already said this, but...

Has anyone mentioned the subjective difference between the +/- stereoisomers?

From what little I know, one is *considerably* more active than t'other - I'm going on Shulgin's experience report more than anything else though...

In fact, Mrs Deckmunki's just reminded me that one of the stereoisomers might have more peripheral nervous system effects - e.g. jaw tension, pupil dilation, etc - while the other has more central effects - i.e. feelings of empathy, "loved-upness", etc?

Edit: two links which might provide some more info:
http://jpet.aspetjournals.org/content/early/2010/05/13/jpet.110.166595.short?rss=1
http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=mdma+stereoisomers

Or am I hugely wrong?

8)
 
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^ yeah so the chances are that we are getting racemic material now

"i possibly believe i may just be a very sensitive person, who can detect changes in the mdma, possibly from the way its been made/precursors that have been used."

Mate listen to yourself -- it just sounds like you are chatting shit, you don't often take MDMA at the moment and environmental factors can massively affect an experience, so for you to make these observations based on a few experiences is ridiculous!

Im some ways I agree with you because I do feel different effects between pills and material but you have to rationalise it compared to the significance of other factors
 
I was just about to post about the isomers, im glad people got there before me.

MDMA is MDMA is MDMA.. yadda yadda, it's not that simple though at all, there are most definitely subtle differences as a result of differing production processes.

And dont give me this set and setting bullshit, obviously that comes into it but it's not the single factor.
 
nailz said:
I was just about to post about the isomers, im glad people got there before me.

MDMA is MDMA is MDMA.. yadda yadda, it's not that simple though at all, there are most definitely subtle differences as a result of differing production processes.

And dont give me this set and setting bullshit, obviously that comes into it but it's not the single factor.
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thanks for your help mate.


makes things a little clearer now, and even adds a little more substance to my views, that are personal to me

i bet dealers get seriously frustrated with people like me ey?

never mind, consumers perogative always.

thats why we have independant websites like this, and things like freedom of speech


mucho gracious
 
I think believing that there is some MDMA out there that will make you feel this perfect feeling that you felt in the past is a tangent and is madness. It is what it is and it is mdma and the rest is bollocks. The Rose tinted spectacle of some nirvana in the past needs to be let go of before you can experience the effect you are seeking in he now.That's the isomer that needs to be synthed into the brains of those in denial.
 
joe90 said:
I think believing that there is some MDMA out there that will make you feel this perfect feeling that you felt in the past is a tangent and is madness. It is what it is and it is mdma and the rest is bollocks. The Rose tinted spectacle of some nirvana in the past needs to be let go of before you can experience the effect you are seeking in he now.That's the isomer that needs to be synthed into the brains of those in denial.
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^ This. Much lolz for a sunday morning (only awake cos aMT and MXE are stopping me sleeping... Meh...)
 
i notice the difference between the pink star and the pink diamond im not a big fan of the stars.think they have a spacey high with waterd down good parts.EG-empathy andrushes.
 
i quite like the star. i dont ever rememebr mdma supposedly lasting for an hour and a half like a diamond

they are blatantly different synths, and you couldnt find two more perfect examples of that. anyone that cant notice the difference is a complete nut nut
 
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We need Brian Eno's Fat Lady of Limbourg in here.

'her sense of taste is such that she'll distinguish with her tongue
The subtleties a spectrograph would miss'

I've had biscuits both side of the Atlantic. Fucked if I can remember what the US ones were like but it didn't seem like a substantially different drug.
 
dee_dee said:
i quite like the star. i dont ever rememebr mdma supposedly lasting for an hour and a half like a diamond

they are blatantly different synths, and you couldnt find two more perfect examples of that. anyone that cant notice the difference is a complete nut nut
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If the duration is only 90 minutes, the active ingredient could be methylone and/or mephedrone?

Pure speculation, of course.
 
Originally Posted by dee_dee
i quite like the star. i dont ever rememebr mdma supposedly lasting for an hour and a half like a diamond

they are blatantly different synths, and you couldnt find two more perfect examples of that. anyone that cant notice the difference is a complete nut nut

If the duration is only 90 minutes, the active ingredient could be methylone and/or mephedrone?
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or ethcathinone
 
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