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European MDMA vs. American

either the substances you take are different chemicals or your expectations of the effect is different which could affect your subjective experience. different doses would also cause different effects too. there are a lot of factors that could affect the way the mdma affects you like set and setting. i think its most likely that they are cut with different chemicals and thats why you get different effects or that they contain maybe no mdma and have mda instead or some other drug. who knows?
 
ok mate, thanks very much. i must be taking mda then (not that ive ever experienced that before you no what i mean) or fake products, or maybe my crystals have been tampered with somehow.

youve been a great help, to me and im sure lots of people

brilliant, i love this informative educational website
 
I know for a *fact* that MDA cristal is out there, i've seen it a few times recently. It certainly seems to be gaining in popularity, its more expensive than MDMA cristal though so i doubt people are selling MDA as MDMA, unless they are very, very stupid. lol.
 
yeah mate, i was taking mda 20 years ago, so i must be taking it now and not no what it is, lol.


if u take to much mda in one go, you will sweat like a cunt, overheat, and throw up the lining of your stomach mate, trust me


this site is a fucking joke
 
dee_dee said:
brilliant, i love this informative educational website
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So do I mate, common myths and misconceptions are being debunked with rational thought

MDMA is MDMA, that is clearly a fact.

What is also a fact is that dosage, and environmental variables can effect an experience massively. It's like eating food off a black plate makes you not think it tastes as nice, maybe you expected the grey crystal to be shit and it was?

I have experienced wildly different experiences on the same batches of MDMA and so many factors shape that like how excited I was for the event, the people I was with, how long since I abstained, how I was generally feeling, actually about a million other things (including the phase of the moon...). So clearly any speculation here is pretty ridiculous. As Adam said even the dosing schedule massively changes the results which is the main reason why people think crystal feels different
 
dee_dee said:
so in all three cases i have been taking to much?

i find it odd, because the dirty mong heavy sit down one is the one i hardly took anything of. so in all three cases what your saying is ive taken to much and they are all side effects?

in none of these cases did i feel like i had od'd or felt sick or anything worrying whatsoever. i no what it feels like to feel like youve been poisoned by mdma and youve over done it, none of these examples have i ever felt that way.

so science is effectivley saying now how you feel physically is completley random like playing a fruit machine

that sounds complete bollox. i can buy the dose related depends on how you feel, but not to the point where some are rushy, some are clean and some are mongy, and always appear to be
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I wouldn't say you've taken too much, I think adam is saying that the different samples might be of different purities, so you'd be getting different amounts, and thus different effects from each one.

It's not completely random... but as I'm sure you are aware, for example taking MDMA one day, then taking the same MDMA the day after will give you quite different effects, as your inner chemistry is somewhat different.

This is also true if you're doing MDMA every weekend - to a degree that is going to effect how you feel the next weekend.

But it's also possible you're getting MDA or other chemicals in there, or the synthesis has been done badly and there's god-knows what left over that might be colouring the experince. About six months ago I had some alleged MDMA that made me actually sleepy - as if the stimulant part was totally missing. No idea what that was, but it was certainly weird...
 
there we go, if the synth was done badly etc now were getting somewhere.

how its been made, shoddily or expertly depends on the overall feeling.

thank you very much, thats all i wanted to hear

gold star for you, and no im not being sarcastic although it sounds it, i just wanted to hear somone say it
 
somone was telling me on here they just buy the mdp2p in already from that stage and then continue the process from that stage onwards, that would make the synth process alot quicker one would assume, your kind of half way there.

who knows, some chemists if there lucky enough to get there precursors from the stages before that, how likely that is with how strict it is who knows, then they may be synthing it from earlier on in the process. all those factors surely could have an overall effect on the final product, im not saying it does, but surely thats a possibility too
 
does it matter if the syth is done badly or not? if its done badly do you end up with some other chemicals close to mdma but with different effects or do you just get a less potent final product?
 
imo they vary in feeling, unless thats just down to some crystals being more purer ie 90 per cent, and some less purer ie 70 per cent, and when your weighing your dose or estimating then its making all the difference once u take it; because your getting less or more than what you actually think

but if that is the case, is really that extra 20 or 30 mgs either way going to have such a dramatic effect on the overall feeling for somone as experienced as me?

for a new or inexperienced user, yes i agree probally.

but for me personally, it doesnt sound that logical tbh

i wouldnt rule it out, but if mdma is mdma regardless, i find it crazy that that extra or less dosage by that small amount would alter it from from super crystal clean feeling, to dirty vegetate mong, to sparkly rushy heaven.
 
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Ghostface said:
From your post though it is obvious that you have no experience with crystal and very little with pills, and yet are so sure about your statements.

Maybe travel a bit through Europe, i.e. Ibiza in the summer, Barcelona, Berlin, try out the mdma there, and then come back to this thread.
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In the US I tried about 12 different pills over the course of 6 months, with the Red Spidermans being the last of the Americans.

I tried tested crystal in Amsterdam and in Ibiza. I tried one batch of known strong and clean MDMA pill (white 007s), which i referred to.

I might not have much experience with crystal, but I know the MDMA experience enough to tell what is what.
 
because science cannot answer these questions whether you like to think so or not, and never have been able to.
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I know. It's like "fucking magnets...How do they work?!"
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That's what dubstep looks like.
 
I'm going to the states in april, and will have access the mud over there. So i will report back to you then!
 
dee_dee said:
so in all three cases i have been taking to much?

i find it odd, because the dirty mong heavy sit down one is the one i hardly took anything of. so in all three cases what your saying is ive taken to much and they are all side effects?

in none of these cases did i feel like i had od'd or felt sick or anything worrying whatsoever. i no what it feels like to feel like youve been poisoned by mdma and youve over done it, none of these examples have i ever felt that way.

so science is effectivley saying now how you feel physically is completley random like playing a fruit machine

that sounds complete bollox. i can buy the dose related depends on how you feel, but not to the point where some are rushy, some are clean and some are mongy, and always appear to be
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Yes that's what I am saying. Well I don't think you will find any scientific papers on it! But that's basically that's what happens in my experience. If you read the Phikal trip reports some describe feeling nothing to feeling a little weird and others a magical life changing experience. All on the same mdma at different dosages and different moods.
 
im still at a lost cause, because apart from one session over xmas where i was a little greedy, all the times ive personally tried crystals from may last year up until last weekend, ive taken small dabs upto a point where ive been satisfied.

and up until 1990ish it never felt so unpredictable to me, and thats even making allowances for mdea appearing around that point

it goes on, blah blah blah.

if you really want to argue science with people, maybe you should be doing so with some of the more hardcore uk raver atttitude types you laugh and joke with on here, knocking pills back like smarties, and then saying this products amazing or this prducts shit or weird, not somone thats going into things open minded and taking a couple of pills in a session now and then or dabbing there way up with crystals
 
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