Harm Reduction Etizolam vs Phenazepam...anyonehave experience with both?

[phuckingnutz]

I recently bought 90mg etizolam liquid from a new supplier and it was SHIT...the DOC and 5-MAPB from this same source were good so I assumed that it was the etizolam and not the supplier.
My GF did 20mg worth of the liquid and barely felt it...she takes a moderate amount of benzos, but she should have at least FELT it...right?
So i am thinking of trying the Phenazepam or Etizolam powder, but not if they are just so-so..
Any help?

use xanaz, klonopin or valium for comparisons as we know how strong they are.

 

[pinpoint]

This is probably late.. but pleaseeeee make sure you have a proper way to measure the phenazpam.

Never again, never again will I order a benzodiazepine RC in powder form. Do you know what I did? I eyeballed it. Do you know what happened? Yeah, I'll tell you: I blacked out for 3 days and when I woke up I found close to $20k in charges pending on my AMEX card. Apparently I thought it would be a 'great hoot' to order several grand pianos and have them delivered to my friends house as a practical joke. Do you know how hard it is to return a grand piano? Jesus christ, never again.

 

[SilverFeniks]

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That is effing classic.

I've been researching the common "RC Benzos" (and etizolam) heavily on BL the past week.
Ordered some etizolam 'etilaam' pills.which I find underwhelming, but my vendor just sold out (apparently permAnently) which leaves me.contimplating powder forms of Diclazepam, flubromazepan, etizolam and phenazepam..
Most basic scales.can't measure small milligrams for shite, so lacking some expensive.lab equipment that leaves eyeballing.it.

Everything I've heard about phenazepam is that it is a nightmare in motion .. damn near impossible to not lose a few days and/or cause chaos. It's quite cheap and sounds fun.in theory but reality bites. Crazy Russkiys.

The flubromazepam is rumored to be the best, but it's hella pricey .. I'm.thinking of ordering some diclazepam, seems it reviews as well as etizolam. Vendor I found it with won't sell under $285 for their minimum tho so might have to look elsewhere. Pharm etizolam is quite a bit more than the powder but having legit measured doses sure is nice.

 

[Screaming_Skull]

I don't have experience with Phenz, but WHATEVER you do, don't eyeball doses, get a scale. From what I understand it takes a while to come on(2-3 hours) and tends to be more sedating/not a euphoric one, also has a long half life(think it's 60 hours) so be careful with redosing, it's strong. Etizolam, I have gotten in blister packs, the Mouth dissoliving kind(taste like candy). I was expecting it to be like Xanax, and it was in a way as in it comes on very quick, but is VERY clear headed(for me anyway) which kinda dissipointed me as I was expecting euphoria like xanax(the only benzo that gives me euphoria, the rest of them just help with my anxiety, like they are supposed to.) I'm begining to wonder if all these etizolam threads w/ people not feeling it is a result of it being extremley cut or something. So sorry, no experience with Phenzapam, but if I had to compare it to pharm benzo's from what I've read, I would say it is something like Klonopin/Valium, just stronger, and Etizolam, good for if you suffer from panic attacks, and more clear-headed than xanax, although everybody is different, some say the Etizolam is better than Xanax, but I disagree(and so do some others). I would honestly look into the one that starts with an F, as I've heard good things about it.

Edit:Lmao Pinpoint, that is a good benzo blackout story,lol. Atleast you didn't decide to drop outta college travel across states and then wreck your car as some stories I've heard.

 

[muie]

Phenazepam is great for someone like myself who has been on 4mg clonazepam/day since 2004, as its a long lasting benzo the medical effects are very effective, the downside is that it takes 4hrs to kick in.

Etizolam is great for someone looking for a quick (xanax quick), almost instant panic relief, the downside is the price and the duration which is no more than 3-4hrs for me.

Generally shorter acting benzos are the most commonly abused for example with etizolam even people that don't like benzos enjoy it since its relatively subtle (compared to xanax) and its out of your body in 4-5hrs.

*I shouldn't have to mention this but neither are to be played with if you do not have a proper 0.001g (mg) scale*.

If you know what you are doing and properly measure/dose than both have their place and purpose.

 

[Zerwas]

For recreational purposes Phenazepam is just shit, but like muie mentioned, it can be a good anti-anxiety med if dosed properly.
I had a little incident too where I bought a new Cupboard in a total benzohaze and it was the wrong one which my gf told me when we were there but apparently I wanted it...
Pretty embarrassing.

Etizolam is the way to go in my opinion because of Phenazepams unbelievable long half-life and the potential for autopilot desasters.

 

[~QuirKyNai~]

If u have self.control,maybe u stand a chance at not goimg overboard with either,but especially phenazepam.
Phenazepam though,made me a jerk.it lowered my inhibition so much,i was rude and.disrespectful to my gf,and also trashed the house on more than one occasion.each time.i was lookimg.for my 'stuff',which i always thought somebody took,but really it was in the last place i put it.my memory was so screwed on phenaz..but etizolam.also messes with ur short term memory.but,etizolam is a lot more enjoyable,and safer.since.the half life is short.I also never got beligerant on etizolam.but i do gonoverboard with dosing.i seem to forget i took a dose just minutes prior,and ill keep taking more.i waa getting a liquid preparation in propylene glycol(150mg/15mL bottle).ome time i spilled the liquid all over ñy table,and tried to suck it up fast with my oral syringe..well in the process i bent down and just sucked and licked up almost all i spilled whichi guess to be aprox. 50-80mg..i promptly passed out that whole day.but i didnt stop breathing and it didnt kill me..
But,i did have a problem.with em.i cudnt stay away from etizolam.it was just so much cheaper.than buying xanax or kpins off sumbody.amd just plain easy and comvenient..plus i have a taste.for.the benzo high relaxation and chillness of em.ive always beem a downer type dude.but i have had my fare share of stims

 

[HdoubleODeezy]

Phenaz is my favorite benzo other than clonazepam.
I take etiz, but it is so short acting it drives me crazy.

With a good mg scale and some self control, phenazepam powder can be helpful.

But if you're looking for recreation.. neither of these (or any benzo IMO) would fit the bill.
Benzos only feel good when you have anxiety IMO.
If you want a downer high, you're honestly better off with opiates (even addiction wise).

-HOOD

 

[spacejunk]

Phenazepam causes really bad amnesia, ridiculous half life, take hours to kick in - and very subtle.
For these reasons, highly addictive. I wouldn't recommend it.
There are so many trainwreck stories online, it's not even worth relating any IMO.

Etizolam can cause awful side effects. I developed blepharospasms after taking a bit too much. Awful. They went away eventually, but were annoying and visible eyelid spasms.
I've also read that Etizolam can raise prolactin levels and cause men to grow breasts.
Lots of Bluelighters love it, but many have experienced one or more of these side effects.
There are far better benzos than either of these, and you don't want to get addicted to black market benzos - unlike those prescribed by a doctor, you're on your own if you manage to get addicted.

Etiz is more pleasurable, but has potential for really disconcerting side effects. Phenazepam is almost useless for anxiety as it takes so long to take effect...and when it does, you may not even notice it. And as a sleep aid...if it works, you might just sleep through the whole next day too. Assuming that both of these are being safely measured and liquid-dosed.....still risky and troublesome.
But sub-par drugs in my experience and opinion.

 

[Psychonauticunt]

As long as you dose in the therapeutic to threshold recreational dose, have accurate dosing, and discipline, phenazepam is a decent benzo. Its anxiety effect is not particularly strong, but I'd say it's more like a more amnesic diazepam with a longer effective therapeutic duration of action. If you have it in pill form or accurately measured otherwise, use with care and it's a decent benzo, when you're aware of it's limitations. Jack-of-all-trades with a tendency for amnesia.

Etizolam is better. Shorter duration, stronger hypnotic, stronger anxiolytic, comes on faster, less amnesic.

 

[SilverFeniks]

Now that Etizolam is going the way.of.the buffalo stateside, doesn't do much for me anyway, and I have no desire to stop using, I'm so tempted to try phenazepam .. I know it would be playing with fire, but it's so damn cheap ... But so is huffing paint.

Diclazepam sounds like crap tho and flubromazepam is way too damn pricey.

Maybe once I get new insurance I can get a policy that won't prohibit all potentially addictive drugs (tho my psych meds are horribly physically addicting despite multiple doctors disagreeing), but for now it's online-only.

I see phenazepam is classified as a proper benzo, unlike etizolam ... Do drug screens shown the 'benzo' part or the 'diazapine'?