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Etizolam - My drug hell

Getting through 80mg of Etiz in 4 days left me with a huge panic attack, followed by a fee days of restless anxiety, so tread easy on the doses - short, heavy binges to a person who normally dosed 4-6mg at the weekend, certainly passed the threshold of misery for me.

PLEASE tread carefully with legal benzos! Fortunately my use is back to 2 occasional mg for insomnia
 
Thanks for the support guys. It really isn't that bad. I managed for a while on one or two mgs a day for a short while then stopped. The mornings are still a bit rough, but eases off as the day goes on. No more kratom as from today, don't wanna end up with a kratom addiction and i know phenibut shouldn't be used for more than two consecutive days, but they both help immensly.

Good luck with your diazepam taper amanitadine, and to you too MDB. It can be done with a lot of willpower.
 
It can be done. I havent found a way that works for me myself yet. My drugs workers are trying the CRI Doctor again, explain to him the misery of tapering or cold turkeying ah7921. Just because it doesnt appear on his test doesnt mean i should be denied treatment. 1 subutex. Get it over and done with in about 5 days. Cant even find them in the right dose combinations on the velvet highway at the moment. I'll keep my eyes open, i dont believe the prescribing doctor has a heart, and that he hates drug users and wants them to suffer far more than they need to.
 
mydrugbuddy said:
what kind of back ups are you refering to ? Zolpidem ?
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Yes, I've found Etizolam withdrawal to be insignificant providing you have some zolpidem (or any decent sleeping tablets). Insomnia is my largest problem with Etz withdrawal, so having something to stop that takes the bite out of it.

It has to be said that everybody reacts differently, but to me Etizolam withdrawal has never felt overwhelming in any way, it just feels like being hungover to me.

The rebound anxiety is usually gone in a matter of days, but even so I'd suggest withdrawing from Etizolam when you don't have any other responsibilities. it's worth taking a day or 2 off to get back to normal.
Also: Stay away from alcohol, it offers temporary relief but leaves you feeling like crap the next day.

I believe I may be quite fortunate though, I've heard plenty of horror stories about Etizolam withdrawal, but I've been using it on and off frequently for over 2 years now and have no trouble withdrawing.
Phenibut, as I mentioned, felt like a real-life hell which sketched me out for almost a full week. Stay away from phenibut, the withdrawal isn't worth it. Even using it for a week gives you sleepless nights upon stopping.
 
Slight dilemma. I'm left with hundreds of these little blue bastards. When used as and when needed and not abused they are a godsend, better than valium imo, i found valium a bit bland. I slipped into the downward spiral of using them for basically eveything, every day such as a funeral{not that i go to funerals everyday} - gubbed 15 mgs, a visit to pick up some gear from my old workplace - 10 mgs down cos i knew i'd run into my ex boss. 20 plus mgs for comedowns, totally unnecessary and maybe when i wanted an extremely relaxed happy day, 20 mgs etc etc, they make everything thing seem jolly. Silly little stresses 5 mgs. I think the most i took in a day was 30mgs.

Fuck it, i'm gonna keep em. This thread, it's been merged, but the one started by Ismene was a real eye opener, especially the low doses he was taking made me think and respect them more.

People, you can successfully taper with these. Take your time, it won't be long before you are feeling 1to2 mgs again. It has taught me to respect these.

BEST OF LUCK TO ALL STRUGGLING
 
scrooloose said:
Thanks for the support guys. It really isn't that bad. I managed for a while on one or two mgs a day for a short while then stopped. The mornings are still a bit rough, but eases off as the day goes on. No more kratom as from today, don't wanna end up with a kratom addiction and i know phenibut shouldn't be used for more than two consecutive days, but they both help immensly.

Good luck with your diazepam taper amanitadine, and to you too MDB. It can be done with a lot of willpower.
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You're doing well man, keep it up! Do you mind if I ask, what is it about the mornings that's problematic? Are you suffering anxiety in the morning that eases during the day? That's sounding kinda familiar to me, but I don't think Eti is the cause, I think for me it's caused by some lacking brain chemical (possibly serotonin) that's absent or depleted after a couple years of fairly light but regular stimulant use & from using too much alcohol, throughout the same period.

I'm not really suffering, it's just annoying that I can't start my day with positivity, like I have done almost all my adult life. I'll take half an Eti once or twice a week, & ride out the symtoms on the other days, which sometimes depart once I've left for work anyway. Half a milligram of Etizolam is great for easing anxiety, but it's too small a dose to bring lethargy.

For anyone looking for alternatives, especially now that Intas are working with UK border agencies to halt importation to the UK, I found that Pyrazolam is helpful. Please don't go trading an Eti problem for a Pyra problem though! The trick is to fight the symptoms of anxiety for as long as possible before resorting to medication. If you've found a drug like Etizolam that works, & you're using only half a milligram at a time, you really need to maintain the effects & that means avoiding tolerance. Leaving at least one day between using the drug will probably reduce the liklihood of tolerance building. If it still does, maybe dose small every third day.

Best wishes to everyone fighting problems with Benzo's! <3
 
^Yes i think morning anxiety is related to other mental health issues. They WILL MOST DEFINITELY NOT prescribe benzos, instead Buspirone, can take six/seven weeks to kick in, which reads to me as being shit. They have upped my Olanzapine so i can take one in the morning (wow, cheers guys), make you dull as ditchwater. But yes, anxiety is definitely an underlying problem. I really don't understand how people get years and years supplies of scripted benzos, had a few and far between diaz scripts, can't even get em' every six months now.

I always wake up with a jolt and a feeling of dread that i can't pinpoint. Few mild panic attacks. But i won't be reaching out for the etizolam, been there done that [as you know], oh and thanks.

No wonder people self medicate. Fuck doctors regarding this, they don't need to know, as long as it doesn't become problematic.
 
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Ive just read the following chart

The toxicity data of Etizolam is as follows:
Organism Test Type Route Reported Dose (Normalized Dose) Effect Source
mouse LD50 intraperitoneal 783mg/kg (783mg/kg) BEHAVIORAL: SOMNOLENCE (GENERAL DEPRESSED ACTIVITY)

LUNGS, THORAX, OR RESPIRATION: RESPIRATORY DEPRESSION Oyo Yakuri. Pharmacometrics. Vol. 16, Pg. 1021, 1978.
mouse LD50 oral 3070mg/kg (3070mg/kg) United States Patent Document. Vol. #4094984,
mouse LDLo subcutaneous 5gm/kg (5000mg/kg) BEHAVIORAL: SOMNOLENCE (GENERAL DEPRESSED ACTIVITY)

LUNGS, THORAX, OR RESPIRATION: RESPIRATORY DEPRESSION Oyo Yakuri. Pharmacometrics. Vol. 16, Pg. 1021, 1978.
rat LD intravenous > 5gm/kg (5000mg/kg) BEHAVIORAL: SOMNOLENCE (GENERAL DEPRESSED ACTIVITY)

LUNGS, THORAX, OR RESPIRATION: RESPIRATORY DEPRESSION Oyo Yakuri. Pharmacometrics. Vol. 16, Pg. 1021, 1978.
rat LD50 intraperitoneal 825mg/kg (825mg/kg) BEHAVIORAL: SOMNOLENCE (GENERAL DEPRESSED ACTIVITY)

LUNGS, THORAX, OR RESPIRATION: RESPIRATORY DEPRESSION Oyo Yakuri. Pharmacometrics. Vol. 16, Pg. 1021, 1978.
rat LD50 oral 3509mg/kg (3509mg/kg) BEHAVIORAL: SOMNOLENCE (GENERAL DEPRESSED ACTIVITY)

LUNGS, THORAX, OR RESPIRATION: RESPIRATORY DEPRESSION Oyo Yakuri. Pharmacometrics. Vol. 16, Pg. 1021, 1978.
rat LD50 subcutaneous > 5gm/kg (5000mg/kg) Arzneimittel-Forschung. Drug Research. Vol. 28, Pg. 1158, 1978.

from http://www.lookchem.com/ETIZOLAM/


I know I'm missing something here and there must be tons of other factors involved that arent being taken into account or mentioned and so would make the substance lethal at much lower doses ? But from that chart even an imaginary rat weighing 1KG would need 825mg of Etizolam for a lethal dose ? It's hard to imagine something surviving a meal of Etizolam that weighed 85% of its own body weight. Making a lot of assumptions from that starting point, an average human would be able to tolerate about 40 or 50 kg of etizolam. We all know that's absurd. so what does that chart mean, when the info on it appears to be a load of BS ?
 
Thats LD50, so the dose needed to kill at least 50% of the sample.
The 825mg finding equates to 8.25% of bodyweight for a 1kg rat, not 85% - Injected into its body cavity.

Also worth mentioning that LD50 in rats won't necessarily be the dose required to kill a human.
Could well be a lot lower.
 
mydrugbuddy said:
Ive just read the following chart

The toxicity data of Etizolam is as follows:
Organism Test Type Route Reported Dose (Normalized Dose) Effect Source
mouse LD50 oral 3070mg/kg (3070mg/kg) United States Patent Document. Vol. #4094984,
rat LD50 oral 3509mg/kg (3509mg/kg) BEHAVIORAL: SOMNOLENCE (GENERAL DEPRESSED ACTIVITY)



But from that chart even an imaginary rat weighing 1KG would need 825mg of Etizolam for a lethal dose ? It's hard to imagine something surviving a meal of Etizolam that weighed 85% of its own body weight.
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825mg isnt 85% of 1kg :P

3509mg in the rat orally would workout at something like 210 grams for a human weighing around 70Kg

there are lots of other factors that affect how likely a drug is to kill you,f or example if you combine it with alcohol or other cns depressants.
 
Benzos are insanely non-toxic even in massive overdose so not really surprised. Obviously human beans are not rats so cannot be extrapolated so simply, but I doubt it's physically possible to consume enough etiz to actually be physically dangerous. Same with any other benzo really. Danger comes from accidents due to uberfuxxorredness and/or combining with other CNS depressants.
 
etizolam seems to be particularly good at causing amnesia aswell at higher doses, a couple of times I had got 50mg of it - weighed out 5mg that I was going to take over the evening, then all I remember is waking up the next day, not knowing what time it was, and ALL the etizolam had gone. So I'd done 50mg in one night and had no recollection of it atall. Very frightening.
 
scrooloose said:
^Yes i think morning anxiety is related to other mental health issues. They WILL MOST DEFINITELY NOT prescribe benzos, instead Buspirone, can take six/seven weeks to kick in, which reads to me as being shit. They have upped my Olanzapine so i can take one in the morning (wow, cheers guys), make you dull as ditchwater. But yes, anxiety is definitely an underlying problem. I really don't understand how people get years and years supplies of scripted benzos, had a few and far between diaz scripts, can't even get em' every six months now.

I always wake up with a jolt and a feeling of dread that i can't pinpoint. Few mild panic attacks. But i won't be reaching out for the etizolam, been there done that [as you know], oh and thanks.

No wonder people self medicate. Fuck doctors regarding this, they don't need to know, as long as it doesn't become problematic.
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Thanks for the reply, sorry, I forgots I'd been in this thread!

The single biggest thing is to remove oneself from the cause of the anxiety. Now obviously, if it's getting out of bed in the morning thats making me anxious, I'm really going to have to grow a fucking back-bone, aren't I? On the other hand, if I've got money, or relationship problems, am I better off self-medicating, am I more likely to be sucessful that way, or would relief be more likely to come from a professional interaction with a doctor? At someplace like BL, I doubt we'd get a balanced return if we posted a poll asking, "How successful have you been self-medicating for anxiety?"

Personally, I think I know me better than a doctor.
 
mpg - (mono) Propylene Glycol? Yes definitely, dissolves quickly, lasts for ever and is piss easy to dose. Flubromazepam also. I think benzos generally dissolve well in PG.

Pluggable too, I wouldn't fancy plugging an absinthe solution :D Just watch out when your plugging as it hits fast, and is potent, so keep the dose lower than your normal other-ROA dose. 4mg etizolam knocked me into a blackout (and consequent life fuck up!)
 
DroneLore said:
Advice on how best to taper? 0.5 mg a day? Or dosing every two or three days instead of every day? Would you recommend preparing or seeking out a liquid solution of etizolam, so you could administer small doses or taper down in smaller increments?

I don't think I'm addicted to them. Last time I dosed before tonight (2 mg) was friday night (1 mg). the dose on friday was to help me sleep as I was kicking a sub habit. Is there an easy way to distinguish benzo wd from opiate wd, besides seizing? I would like to know I was going through benzo wd before having a seizure, lol.
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Definitely every day, I start to feel withdrawal seriously after around 24 hours. Starts with water retention in your body, then usual annoying stimulant-effects, like hypertension, high heart-rate, strong breathing, intense anxiety, aggression, and irritation. Feeling like wanting to kick your cat when he cries for food because any pressure put on you annoys you and stresses you the hell out. Real danger of seizure, heart-attack, or even heart-failure when your body gets overwhelmed.

I've been to the ER for withdrawals on it to beg for benzos once now. Not fun and not something I want to do again, even if I might need to, as I don't think you can just keep showing up expecting to be bailed out like that. Even if you can die. Maybe in huge cities where hospitals have experienced many lawsuits from deaths, but in smaller ones that's not likely to have been such a common occurence. One time I was even to see a doctor on it before I knew I had been using long enough to get addicted (never happened with benzos before). She suspected me of being on stimulants because of my high resting heart-rate (the symptomps are very similar) and kept saying "There's nothing wrong with you" and "You were checked out for Epilepsy 15 years ago, so there's no chance you can have Epilepsy".

In reality there's no way of knowing how close I could have been to death. Though it can also make you paranoid and she kept saying "Calm Down" (like to someone on too much stimulants and like my dad when he saw me going into the shakes from withdrawal).

In my experience the peak is at the 3 day point and lasts for about 24 hours. After that it starts to recide, and if you make it through that you're safe. Though there's no way of knowing with a body very worn down by drugs.
 
knock said:
mpg - (mono) Propylene Glycol? Yes definitely, dissolves quickly, lasts for ever and is piss easy to dose. Flubromazepam also. I think benzos generally dissolve well in PG.

Pluggable too, I wouldn't fancy plugging an absinthe solution :D Just watch out when your plugging as it hits fast, and is potent, so keep the dose lower than your normal other-ROA dose. 4mg etizolam knocked me into a blackout (and consequent life fuck up!)
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cheers knock. I'll go with the mpg then, and let my bottles gather yet more dust, or i might just try 20 mg to 20 ml (not all in one dose) to see if it works. The plan is to extend my supply of pellets whilst powder is available from a good stockist. And also when i get down to 1 mg, which will happen eventually, I'll be able to break the small doses down into smaller and smaller doses using more dilute mixtures. Ive heard that the final jump is the killer. But going from 1mg to 0.8 mg etc would be the equivalent doses of a diazepam taper where they go from 10mg to 8mg etc, i think.

No i wouldnt want to plug any hard liqours. I can imagine howling in pain. And id have to remember not to set fire to my farts for at least several days at least. Its not worth plugging Etizolam anyway, its a disadvantage as the oral bioavailabilty is about 90%.

How do you rate Flubromazepam then ? Ive seen one vendor listing it, but they are out of stock.
 
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I don't really remember much about how flubromazepam feels, but I finished what I bought pretty fucking quick, and I keep checking the vendor site for stock, so I suppose I must like it ;) Never had any proper amnesia or lost afternoons on the stuff, that's one thing in its favour.

The oral BA may be good but I think oral figures are always on an empty stomach. I default to plugging for quick onset and avoidance of stomach content. I'm a bit of a grazer so it's hard to catch my gut off-duty.
 
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