Epistane: anyone?

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Curious as to if anyone here as tried Epistane? It is not a prohormone, it is a methylated version of the illegal sulfur-containing steroid Epitiostanol. It behaves as both an anti-estrogen and AAS, with rather low androgenic properties. It also binds to ERalpha/beta receptors, which can have the effect of protecting against/reducing gyno. Despite its anti-estrogenic properties, it still is an anabolic steroid, and as such would likely require a PCT.

Edit: I forgot to mention, Epistane is legal as of now

And yes, it is methylated, so it would probably require using some sort of liver support.

Again, has anyone taken it (I have a feeling no one has, but thought I'd ask)? At what dosage? What PCT did you use? I am considering it as I would like to lean out a bit, and would like to gain 4-5 pounds of lean muscle.

This is what I look like now, as you can see, I have a bit of fat on me...

 
why would you run an anti-E by itself? You need some estrogen to stay healthy joint-wise and even to gain.

Why not just run testosterone if you want to run a cycle. Proviron goes great with Test.
 
Epistane might sound good, because it's legal, but there are a lot more illegal alternatives that are probably safer, and would provide much better results. I was thinking about epistane or superdrol but after researching I went with anavar instead. Some of the cycle logs with bloodwork that I read through said that epistane/havoc completely fucked over peoples liver and hdl/ldl values.
 
^^^Anavar is also of interest to me. Relatively mild, lean gains, etc. What dose did you use, and what PCT did you run? Gains?
 
you didn't answer my question! what is your reasoning behind running an anti-E without test?
 
because its the newest craze in the pro hormone world.

people don't realize that estrogen is good for you.
 
yeah cutting out too much estrogen on a steroid cycle will greatly minimize gains. I would assume likewise with just your natty test. Plus you'll get lots of nasty joint issues. Estrogen is good for you in balance with testosterone (obviously not a 1:1 ratio).
 
DHYANA said:
you didn't answer my question! what is your reasoning behind running an anti-E without test?
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It is not simply an anti-estrogen. It is an anabolic steroid, with androgenic properties (I think the Q ratio is 12).


Again, it is not a prohormone, it is simply a methylated version of a banned steroid...

I've heard conflicting things about the liver values after taking epistane, and given its similarity to DHT, I would be concerned about hairloss. I really don't want to gain too much, I just want to lean out a bit and gain a few dry pounds...
 
by prohormone i simply mean legal (as of now) products. some are anti-e's, some are test boosters, some are prohormones, some are oral steroids, and some are simply bogus but i just call them all prohormones. sorry about the confusion.
 
negrogesic i think you have a ton of potential still and dont need to resort to any thing that's going to effect your endocrine system however mild. just eat and lift and do cardio and you'll see thickness come over time. you look great. how long have you been lifting and how old are you?
 
I've been lifting a year and a half, and I am 25.

I don't think i've necessarily hit a wall, I just would like a little more thickness, especially in the arms and legs. My triceps look pretty small, but they are strong. The issue is that I am barely 5'9", but my arm span is well over 6 feet, which means I have a hard time putting mass on my arms.
 
I've bought a bottle and was thinking of running some in a while.

From what I've read liver values are pretty average for methylated steroids (nowhere near as crazy bad as M1T or Superdrol but not as good as Var or Halodrol). As for DHT effects it measures pretty low- much less than comparable steroids (in fact I'm struggling to think of one that exhibits as little anabolic:androgenic ratio- perhaps deca...)

It does have pretty strong anti-e effects so long cycles (>4 weeks) are definetly not recomended due to the positive role that estrogen plays (and how weirded out your endricone system would be having 0 test, 0 est and some completly foreign substance running the show). I've seen people run 5-10 week cycles and think its a bad idea for your health.

As for PCT standard protocols apply. I would recomend a greater emphasis on restoring test levels than reducing est levels. HCG and clomid would be a good choice.

A buddy of mine just got off a 4 week cycle and his results were- +7lbs mass, -1lb fat, +5-20% on all lifts and about 1/2" on all measurments. Thats on an ecto. He looks good and visibly more muscular.

What weight you at negro? You look pretty good at the mo, to be honest. Any reason you dont fancy a straight test cycle? Var would probably be better all around (than epistane) for everything apart from your wallet. Test is always best.... ;)
 
^^^I'm not looking to get very big, and I don't feel like IMing anything right now.

Do you think that the epistane could be "pulse cycled", to reduce some of the side-effects? The main side-effect I'm worried about is joint pain, as a result of the anti-estrogenic properties...

Is halodrol one of the 4-chloro's ? The target is turinabol, right?
 
Ya its 4-chloro... Can't remember what its based on but as you should know fiddling with steroid structures produces very unpredictable results (just look at eq versus dianabol).

I know IMing seems a bit hardcore but with steroids non-methylated ones are just easier on the body and the only way to get them into the bloodstream without being destroyed is by IMing.

Yeah pulsing or running some DHEA might reduce the negative effects of lack of estrogen. I was looking at dermacrine which is a topical DHEA product.

If your looking for something a little less hormonal Cissusdrol has been getting some good feedback.
 
What do you think about the 1-T topical cream by primordial? I believe it is 1-androsterone, which converts to 1-testosterone (after conversion to 1-andro first of course). The problem is, wouldn't this give it two chances to aromatize. They also have a transdermal that converts to trenbolone...
 
:S I tried to send you this pm but I couldn't because I don't have 'bluelighter' status

Hey bro saw your post in the steroid forum and thought I might be able to help you out. I ran epistane dosed at 30/30/40/40 for 4 weeks, had full blood tests before and after the cycle and neither showed any abnormalities.

It is methylated though so you want some liver support, during cycle i took milk thistle and hawthorn berry (this was for blood pressure, didn't want it getting high).

I cycled at 200 6'1 and put on 9 pounds and dropped some body fat %. It's a great compound if you are looking to gain some muscle and drop body fat just remember to keep your diet clean and cardio (I did 2-3 times a week)

I wouldn't worry about the androgenic properties of it, going into the cycle hairloss was my main concern but I didn't experience any. If you are really concerned about this look into nizoral shampoo which contains Ketoconazole which helps prevent hair loss.

The only sides I got were really bad back pumps that made my first back workout undoable, but taking 6 g of taurine a day fixed this and I didnt experience it again. Libido was good during cycle (fapping/sex atleast twice a day) and libido shutdown post cycle has been minimal (I took nolvadex 40/40/20/10 for pct). I suggest you either use nolva/clomid for pct, I personally don't really trust anything you can get otc like 6-oxo or reversatol for pct.

Anyway bro hope I could help ya out. might be worthwhile checking out www.prohormoneforum.com they helped me out with my cycle planning and what not.

good luck with it!
 
negrogesic said:
What do you think about the 1-T topical cream by primordial? I believe it is 1-androsterone, which converts to 1-testosterone (after conversion to 1-andro first of course). The problem is, wouldn't this give it two chances to aromatize. They also have a transdermal that converts to trenbolone...
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Yeah I've been looking at the 1-test cream, seems ok but the proof is in the pudding as they say. Have a look at the products, have a look at what users are saying, take everything with a pinch of salt. Just make sure you have support supps and PCT in place before starting anything.
 
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