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nordic_aloha

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Okay, I've started day one of my epistane cycle.I know that most of you hate these PH's and are tired of hearing about them, but this is my only option, and I have chosen it already. I have been doing choke cardio and keeping my diet clean to cut for about 2 months now. Now I will be happy to add 4-6 lbs of lean muscle to my frame. I have posted my stats here before but I dont post a lot so just as an update- male, 25, 260lbs, 6'3", heavy build. Bf % is not known but should be within normal range now. I have been a solid natural lifter for going on three years now.

For my IBE e-stane cycle I will be running a straight 30mg dose due to low funds- 30/30/30/30. My idea is to keep everything very mild. I have clomid on hand, but I want to avoid using it at all costs (just to save it for future use, since I am not ballsy enough to order it, due to potential probation problems.) and use an otc pct if necessesary. For this I will try to use the Gaspari stuff ( Novedex xt, yeah I know most think it is crap, but supposedly it does function as a good AI), but, if worse comes to worst, there is the clomid. I am using my milk thistle since this stuff is methylated, along with my usual protein and creatine.

Now, this is my first real prohormone cycle, and I think I have most of my bases covered, but I do have one concern. Blood pressure... I do notice that this compound does raise my BP moderately. I have cut the salt as much as possible in my diet, as well as my beloved caffeine. But, I was wondering if anyone knows any herbal or OTC remedies that I could possibly use for this? Its not a big deal, but I would get more piece of mind knowing that I am doing something for it.
 
Not sure on the BP as I myself have rediculously low BP.

But if your looking for a good OTC PTC agent (since you wanna save ur clomid if possible), ive had good success using something called Speman by Himalaya Healthcare (the guys who make Liv-52 which is the cats ass of OTC liver protectorants).

You can checkout their website for more info on Speman, they have several clinical studies published on the formulation.
 
I have decided to just let it go since my BP has kind of leveled out now. I am on day 5 of my first epi run ever and I am so far enjoying it. I feel dry (which is good, I hate the feeling of retaining water). I know that they said after week two your strength goes up, but Im only at day 5 and I notice dramatic differences. I have great stamina in the gym. Prior to my cycle, I would be too tired after work to work out, so I would have to force myself and "pysic" myself up to hit the weights, but now I just walk into my gym and hit the weights like its nothing. I feel like I could just spend every waking second of my time performing lifts. I like this compound so far. I havent noticed hardly any sides except maybe a slight change in mood here and there.
 
Let me know how the otc pct goes, I'm not going to run anything without first figuring out how to get ahold of some sort of SERM (plus I need to give myself more time, I'm still making decent gains), but I would like to keep it OTC if I can. Epistane sounds like a good first run IMO.
 
epistane/havoc is a fucking solid product...expect to gain lean muscle mass and burn fat...huge increase in appetite and sex drive.......only downside was joint piain which was expectable for its similar AI properties
 
Yes, Im now at the end of week one, and I dig this stuff. My strength has increased way more than I thought a PH would be capable of. I eat everything like its my last meal and I still am not gaining too much fat like I would normally do after eating excesive amounts (even by body-building standards). I even "feel skinny". I heard alot of reports that the noticable effects (recovery, etc) dont peak until the end of week 2, so Im looking forward to that. I love the recovery and lifting aggresion on this stuff. I feel that I might be in danger of overtraining now though lol so I took today off. I am lifting 6 days a week, doing deadlifts and squats in the same week, and basically just pushing my overall body more than ever before (in a safe way, of course). Phactor, I will let you know how the OTC PTC goes. I am planning on sticking to this, unless something pops up and I need to dip into the Clomid. So far I would give high recomendations to this compound.
 
I also like how you are keeping your dose low, I am thinking of doing the same thing (I am a smaller guy anyways)
 
Well, this is my first real PH run, so I want it to be mild and on the safe side as a way of trial and error.
 
nordic_aloha said:
Yes, Im now at the end of week one, and I dig this stuff. My strength has increased way more than I thought a PH would be capable of. I eat everything like its my last meal and I still am not gaining too much fat like I would normally do after eating excesive amounts (even by body-building standards). I even "feel skinny". I heard alot of reports that the noticable effects (recovery, etc) dont peak until the end of week 2, so Im looking forward to that. I love the recovery and lifting aggresion on this stuff. I feel that I might be in danger of overtraining now though lol so I took today off. I am lifting 6 days a week, doing deadlifts and squats in the same week, and basically just pushing my overall body more than ever before (in a safe way, of course). Phactor, I will let you know how the OTC PTC goes. I am planning on sticking to this, unless something pops up and I need to dip into the Clomid. So far I would give high recomendations to this compound.
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honestly running it 4 weeks is a waste IMO...I ran 2 bottles at 8 weeks taking upwards to 50mgs and the strength gains didnt peak until week 4
 
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Don't you think that it would be worth it to "test the waters" first? He can also go back on later.
 
phactor said:
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Don't you think that it would be worth it to "test the waters" first? He can also go back on later.
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People overract about the length of cycling phs and Designer supps...best way to run epi is purchase 2 bottles and start with 30mgs and see how u feel...most people find that 40mgs is the optimal dose
 
So a good PCT for this (using clomid) would be to start at 100 per day for the first week, then down to 50 then next and maybe 25 per day for the last two?

Sorry I'm still trying to learn about this stuff and figure out if its worth it for me.
 
phactor said:
So a good PCT for this (using clomid) would be to start at 100 per day for the first week, then down to 50 then next and maybe 25 per day for the last two?

Sorry I'm still trying to learn about this stuff and figure out if its worth it for me.
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yup perfect...that's more than enough
 
I see where your coming from by running it more than four weeks. The only problem is the funding right now. I guess if I feel good about it, I can order another bottle right in the middle of week three. It came in the mail pretty fast last time I ordered it, so I shouldn't have a problem. I would have to run the clomid for sure if I did that, but I guess that would be ok. If you dont mind my asking PAR, how does clomid generally make you feel? Is it easy to get lethargic on it? does it cause headaches?
 
nordic_aloha said:
I see where your coming from by running it more than four weeks. The only problem is the funding right now. I guess if I feel good about it, I can order another bottle right in the middle of week three. It came in the mail pretty fast last time I ordered it, so I shouldn't have a problem. I would have to run the clomid for sure if I did that, but I guess that would be ok. If you dont mind my asking PAR, how does clomid generally make you feel? Is it easy to get lethargic on it? does it cause headaches?
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Personally I love clomid is dosages 100mgs and under...Expect a positive nitrogen balance, great workouts, and it always gave my muscles a "full" look to them...Also, the porn start sized loads are fucking awesome :!

As far as dosages over 100mgs, expect much more pronounced sides...which for me were DEEEEEEP CLINICAL DEPRESSION, fat gain, and extreme bloat...

Regardless, I was pretty shut down after running STAKABOL which is a stack of 3 methylated compounds (halodrol, pheraplex, and superdrol) and was back to normal after 4 weeks of clomid therapy...
 
Yes, I remember seeing your posts about the Stak. That must have been a killer run. If I run the clomid, I will keep the dose under 100mg. I hate the feeling of having water retention. I am still contemplating on whether or not I will order another bottle of Epi. This is my first real PH run, so I think the results should be pretty noticeable even if the dose is a little lower than what others commonly run it at. I am basically looking at this as a "trial run" to learn how my body reacts to the power of synthetic hormones. On the other hand, I am a pretty big boy ( 6'3" 260) so I keep thinking in the back of my mind that the dose might be too low lol. I definetaly feel the effects of increased strength, animal-like sex drive, and even a little bulk building already, so its not like its not doing anything at all. This makes me want to start planning my next run for the summer.
 
nordic_aloha said:
Yes, I remember seeing your posts about the Stak. That must have been a killer run. If I run the clomid, I will keep the dose under 100mg. I hate the feeling of having water retention. I am still contemplating on whether or not I will order another bottle of Epi. This is my first real PH run, so I think the results should be pretty noticeable even if the dose is a little lower than what others commonly run it at. I am basically looking at this as a "trial run" to learn how my body reacts to the power of synthetic hormones. On the other hand, I am a pretty big boy ( 6'3" 260) so I keep thinking in the back of my mind that the dose might be too low lol. I definetaly feel the effects of increased strength, animal-like sex drive, and even a little bulk building already, so its not like its not doing anything at all. This makes me want to start planning my next run for the summer.
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I kept a good 6 lbs of lean lean lean mass from epi....people were commenting on it daily
 
A short term rise in BP isn't a bad thing, it'll come back to normal during PCT so you shouldn't worry about it. Taking other supps to counter act it can cause issues of they're own.
 
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