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Ephedrine--->Methamphetamine

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MzKzM

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This is propably a stupid question, but I'm just curious:
Ephedrine is C10H15NO, Methamphetamine is C10H15N. Now, I don't know shit about chemic-but what would it take to 'extract' (or something?) the 'O' outta this compound?
 
Fuck the push-pull, you can do better if you invest in the damn glassware.. still, even though I had words with Uncle Fester, the electrocatalytic hydrogenation is the best way to go..
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Where in the nursery rhyme does it say Humpty Dumpty was an egg?
 
heh.. this is explicitly NOT a question you're supposed to ask.
the correct word for removing that O (which is actually an OH, but you're replacing that H when it comes off) is "reduction" .. in this case, because it involves a change in the formal oxidation state of the benzylic carbon that amounts to a loss of electrons.
im gonna remind you too that making meth is really NOT the kind of thing a good citizen does. reporting chemical fumes and late-night ether explosions to the proper authorities IS.
and... you shouldn't even try synthesizing *aspirin* unless you actually know what's going on, and how to do it. some of those internet syntheses are written by people who have no idea what they're really doing, many are so informal its a joke, and some probably have intentional mistakes. anyway, you probably won't succeed, and your bottles of engine starting fluid could easily form a huge cloud of vapor that sinks to the floor, looking for a spark... (but don't worry about that... it can explode all by itself if it has to)
 
lol @ Roches
Defeat the Methamphetamine Anti-Proliferation of Chemical Stupidity Act!
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I don't take drugs. I am drugs.
 
~im gonna remind you too that making meth is really NOT the kind of thing a good citizen does. reporting chemical fumes and late-night ether explosions to the proper authorities IS~
-Roches
I was going to flame the hell out of your bitch ass, but decided not to and just decided to state, for the record, COPS fucking suck, Roches, what the hell are you thinking!!!!!
 
twisted, that was my point =) .. vapors and fumes are a pretty good way to attract them.
in large numbers, actually. most places i wouldn't be surprised if you got a swat team. and bomb squad, hazardous materials disposal and maybe some federal agents of some kind.
they take this kind of thing very serious. a bit too seriously, even.
anyway.. overall, the reaction is not difficult, as in, you could do it easily with a fairly good chance of success if you knew what you were doing. or (currently this is where i draw the line between "easy" and "hard" syntheses) you don't need to do it under nitrogen.
unfortunately for this idea, part of knowing how to do it seems to be knowing *not* to do it. simply because of the whole swat team thing.
some of them are still interesting reactions, although appreciating an interesting reaction is a disease that takes a lot of early-morning labs and late-night studying to get..
 
It's not *THAT* bad.. one my first attempt (ZERO hands on experience) I was actually able to yeild some average-quality crank, got really good on the second go, started to play with differn't synths and after less then a months work, we were kicking out some of the best meth in the area.. lab safety isn't as horribly hard as everyone makes it out to be, and the basic Rp/I2 reduction doesn't stink the place up too much ..
Still, we were always nervous as hell when we would pick up our red-phosphorus packages, and I won't even talk about what living in a lab does to your sanity.. they really are out to get you!
I do not advise anyone consider this as their new means of making a fast buck (but I can't lie, it is profitable as hell!)
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Where in the nursery rhyme does it say Humpty Dumpty was an egg?
 
Sorry Roches i misunderstood what you said, if you want a quick and safe (safe has compared to a rp/i)reduction look up info on the birch reduction.
Also Someone who ain't me just had a friend who got 25 years for that shit....they are after it big time and i would seriously reconsider any thoughts you have of making it...
 
The Birch (aka 'Nazi') is safer compared to an Rp/I2? Huh? Sorry, I see a LOT bigger risk in working with anhydrous ammonia, because no matter how carefull you are, THAT SHIT STINKS! Only once did I try to take that route, and the vapors had everyone in the house in tears, it's also the type of smell that makes the neighbors think "I wonder why those nice young men are outside at 3am painting their house under the floodlights, why do they never leave the house durring the day? And what in gods name is that horrible smell?"..
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Where in the nursery rhyme does it say Humpty Dumpty was an egg?
 
i know the birch reaction =) there's also those cute oxidation-followed-by-Wolff-Kischner-reduction pathways that might be nice too.. and the old-school straight-up reductive amination via Schiff base thing.
there's lots of ways to do it.. even a total synthesis isn't hard.. the problem is that it's illegal.
very illegal.
in the states, the maximum penalty for attempting to build a nuclear device is like 10 years; for trying to make methamphetamine, it's 30. it's easily possible to serve less time for rape or murder than for making crystal.
 
Yeah some guys stole a tank of anhydrous ammonia a few months ago (NY Times) and the tank started leaking and they got chemical burns all over their bodies and respiratory burns. I think one of them might have died. Also, the cop who came to the scene nearly died from respiratory problems after breathing the stuff. Doesn't sound safer then HI/P to me.
 
Someday I will post the story about how we decided to precur some anhydrous ammoina from an ungaurded tank by a farmers field... it was a sight to see... to say the least! NEVER have 2 people been as creative with their profanity as we were... combos you would NEVER have drempt!
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Where in the nursery rhyme does it say Humpty Dumpty was an egg?
 
Now i said the REACTION was safer...In a reaction you should be dealing with 500ml NH3 at the most and if you do a reaction it should be under fume hood or if it's ghetto at least outdoors (like the GREAT outdoors, not in the middle of a fucking neighborhood) i would much rather be dealing with a little NH3 compared to having to sit up some sort of push-pull or having a big cloud of iodine vapor all over the place. Now fucking with Big ass ag tanks of annie is another fucking story 'cause you could very well wind up dead or in jail but has far as i'm concerned that's just thinning the herd ;-), if you wanna go birch just make your own SMALL amount of NH3.
The above post is completly fictional
[This message has been edited by twisted1 (edited 21 June 2001).]
 
oh, we had tanks of anhydrous ammonia.
of course "we" is not a couple tweakers here, this ammonia was being used for science.
i never got to play with it. just nitrogen; i'm not big enough to play with evacuate-the-building gases yet.
but i was big enough to work in front of a tank of CHLORINE every week...
keep in mind that a) metals are dissolved by acid b) chemistry labs have lots of acid c) fume hoods aren't really all that good d) chlorine will kill you. slowly.
worst of all, i may not have been allowed to turn that knob, but it wasn't locked or anything, and the course was pretty awful. =)
 
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