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Enlightenment Finally!

Im not enlightened at all.
If I was enlightened I wouldnt have posted on here.
I wouldn't have been playing Lord of The Flies.
I wouldn't be caught in narcissism.
WTF IS GOING ON?
How...
how do I shift over?

I am not real.
I have been continuing this "personality" since I was very very young, I have never actually "broken through", and I am fucking as confused as ever now. I turned to intellectualisation a long time ago and I "think" but I'm not "pure" wtf do I do?
Nothing you say is going to help me is it?
I have to do this on my own.
I have to "die" on my own, just like roberta sparrow said.

Am I dreaming?

Am I really alive?

How do I become an adult if I'm stuck as a child?
How do I get out of ego-centred thinking?

I haven't learned a single lesson for as long as I can remember.
Not Really, have I?
NOT REALLY

BECAUSE IM TRAPPED

im fucking trapped and im so scared

And the whole world is like this arent they?
They're all a bunch of three year olds playing daddy and mommy.

HOW DO I ESCAPE THE MATRIX?
 
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Or am I actually enlightened as long as I am aware of myself?
Imean I can sense the difference sort of, theres a shift between when I act purely out of emotional defense,
and when I act out of compassion and with a sort of "clear head".

Does it maintain itself and eventually crumble?
Do I eventually lose the ego entirely or am I only further deluding myself?
 
Hemiechinus said:
Or am I actually enlightened as long as I am aware of myself?
Imean I can sense the difference sort of, theres a shift between when I act purely out of emotional defense,
and when I act out of compassion and with a sort of "clear head".

Does it maintain itself and eventually crumble?
Do I eventually lose the ego entirely or am I only further deluding myself?
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As soon as we reach a moment of understanding in respect to ourselves, the moment passes and we change as all things must, and the understanding must once more be achieved....

I'm on a road shaped like a figure eight
I'm going nowhere but I'm guaranteed to be late
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To quote the only person I've known to be coherent while breaking through on salvia,
It's all very...circular.
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So all I have to do is pay attention then?

And eventually I "break through"? The circle breaks?

I am going to try an expirement with self-hypnosis...

its just... how long does it take for reality as a construct/projection to finally crumble?
 
The best way I can describe being here now is not identifying with any one thought, any one sensation/sound/sight. Not focusing directly but using "the whole" of my vision, and while doing this listening to my mind so that I don't zone in on the stuff around me.
Does that sound about right? If I do that for long enough I break through?

Like... a clock for instance... I notice that when I zone in on a ticking clock, its all that "exists" but when I zone "out" and try be completely here I sort of "lose" it in the midst of All.

Oh and hey those are modest mouse lyrics, I was listening to them when I first thought I reached enlightenment and suddenly their lyrics started making sense... so maybe I am getting "somewhere" with all of this...
 
And why is DNA a double helix? When we reach enlightenment are we somehow unlocking parts of our dna? (Halexandria.com, Sumerian texts, psychedelics as the organic counterpart to the real spiritual chemical that somehow is taken from gold)
 
Every answer you find will only lead you to the next question, and the more energy you poor into finding the ultimate answer, the more questions you'll uncover...there is no end, you can't "win" life, you can only live life.

This is what the saying "a wise man knows what he does not know" is getting at, as well as "the best way to get what you want is to stop trying so hard."

You'll only drive yourself crazy chasing answers that seem complete from a distance, but eventually you'll realize that "everything looks perfect from far away" (what band is that, huh?) and stop trying to "win" at life by 'figuring it out'. That's when you learn to be happy simply being.

I guess one way to put it succinctly is "You're enlightened when you realize you're not."
 
If you're using a lot of drugs, may I suggest giving them a rest?

Don't bother with the concept of enlightenment, it detracts from the goal... Just live life and enjoy.
 
No problem.
I talked with this very wise soul on aim from another forum and had a very awakening expirience. All of a sudden I realised I was talking to god, to myself, and that we all have one heart. We are all climbing up a mountain, and the higher we climb the scarier it is to look down, to fall (the mountain is age).
And then it hit me what the chuch goers were trying to show me with that old ladder excersize, and I got the Fable at the end of the lazy mans guide to enlightenment. It is a leap of faith, off the mountain, and getting wings.
Teach a man to fish, and he will never go hungry. A fisherman is a man of hope. He does not see underneath the water, but casts his line anyway. They call fisherman anglers. Angels. I'm just getting used to my wings. Of course i'm going to slip and fall a few times. But faith is... all I was looking for.

Guess what the only two natural fears of being a man are?
Heights and Snakes. LOL!!
Spirituality can be put in as many combinations of words you want,
but all it comes down to is faith in truth. That everything you expirience and feel is true to yourself and to the world. And that imagination forced is a lie, but cultivated lovingly the greatest lie detector imaginable.

Objective + Subjective = Faith. Unity. PLUR. Whatever.
Its everywhere and will always be there.

Amen.
 
vegan said:
i don't have the time to really read the thread right now, buti noticed this, so

several (many) posters here will have understood what he meant by "we are god"

like you, i know there is no god... in the sense that religions give to the word god

but as many others, and as the OP apparently (sorry again, i didn't read the whole post) i have felt that we were not just independent individuals, but that we were part of a whole... of the whole, of the universe

in fact, we are not individuals whose sum make up the universe, but we are the whole universe, only able to be self-aware through its individuals

in this sense, as different leaves on the same tree are not 2 different entities but are parts of the same tree... are the same tree, we are not different entities, we are one unique entity experiencing different aspects of its evolution

so to come back to what the OP meant: every each one of us is to the universe what the leaf is to the tree or an arm to a body
and when you consider an arm, you don't see it as a separate part from the body. you consider it as a necessary consituent, not as a disposable part

so we are all the universe
the same universe that apparently was created some 14 billion years ago and which is becoming self-aware through its individuals having such revelations
we are the universe where matter was created, life appeared and consciousness developped

we are this universe, and there is nothing else
there is, as you said, no god, independent from the universe
so we are this universe that keeps evolving and creating

and that's where some people want to insert the word "god"
because the idea of "god" is linked to the idea of "everything" and "creator"

i think that the word "god" has a "clear" definition given by religions and history and that there is no reason to use it for this different concept that i just tried to explain
it would only strip this different concept of its meaning by assimilating it to the classical, religious meaning of "god"

but i see why it's tempting for some people to reclaim the word and apply it to this universal consciousness that we all share
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I agree completely. I just feel that the word "God" has far too much metaphysical/supernatural baggage to be used in any trully meaningful way in such a discussion..


The really really bad metaphors by this guy do make me cringe though.

and comments like "And why is DNA a double helix? When we reach enlightenment are we somehow unlocking parts of our dna?" are total nonsense and I doubt he could even explain (in any meaningful way) what he means by "unlocking parts of our dna" or what exactly DNA has to do with the meditative state of an individual.
 
Hemiechinus said:
Or am I actually enlightened as long as I am aware of myself?
Imean I can sense the difference sort of, theres a shift between when I act purely out of emotional defense,
and when I act out of compassion and with a sort of "clear head".

Does it maintain itself and eventually crumble?
Do I eventually lose the ego entirely or am I only further deluding myself?
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you are so conditioned to think, it takes very much work to become so attached to awareness that it is an ever present experience.

yes at times it may seem like we are enlightened, as our awareness is showing us the true beauty of existence and what lies behind our ego and the group ego. sometimes this lasts a long time and we make the mistake of assuming we are enlightened.

one master claims enlightenment is when you can consciously have an OBE. he supposedly gained this ability and his life became one total conscious happening. no unconscious sleeping, totally conscious all of the time. who knows if he gained this ability, but just the possibility makes me sure i don't really know what enlightenment is all about. not until i experience it.

attachment is a tricky process.
 
Enlightenment seems to imply that there is an end goal to the growth of human consciousness. I would say that one should never cease expanding and growing, especially their mental facilities, and that the idea of an end to this growth/development/expansion is extremely unappealing to me.

"no unconscious sleeping, totally conscious all of the time. who knows if he gained this ability, but just the possibility makes me sure i don't really know what enlightenment is all about. not until i experience it."

Ken Wilbur is (relatively) conscious in all states, waking/dreaming/etc, and he has proven this, though I doubt he would even for an instant consider himself an enlightened being.
 
i totally agree, there is infinite potential to the human experience and thinking there is a limit is only putting a limit in one's mind.
 
I would say the human experience, as dictated by the
functional forms of our NEURAL system, is quite limited by TIME itself.

Until we find a way to speed up our perceptions, we are certainly NOT infinite.

When you ignore its a wave, when you watch its a particle.

Everything begins in faith and ends in politics...
 
Hemiechinus said:
It was like my biggest fear was that I had to Be something,
I couldn't just be Nothing.
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So which is it now, my friend? Do you have to be *Nothing now, and can't be something? Nor can you drop the whole d@mn coin!
Theres a reason you hang up the phone.
So no one starts talking your ear off! (humor icon)
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I thought so...

* {N}othing vs {n}othing brought to you by Spirituality, Inc. To be or to Be, that's our question! (tm)
 
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Psychedelic Gleam said:
Enlightenment seems to imply that there is an end goal to the growth of human consciousness. I would say that one should never cease expanding and growing, especially their mental facilities, and that the idea of an end to this growth/development/expansion is extremely unappealing to me.
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It depends on what tradition you are talking about. When people say Enlightenment they often either mean experiencing pure emptiness(Nirvana), or experiencing emptiness and form being as one(Non-Dual). Assuming that the Non-Dual state is relatively more complete than Nirvana, it's not enough to only be aware of the empty nature of consciousness. You have to be at the leading edge of evolution in the realm of form as well(which is always shifting and moving forward). Cognitive growth, Moral growth, Interpersonal Growth, all these things define your completeness so to speak from a Non-Dual perspective.
 
I was more referring to the thread starters comments which basically boiled down to "finally im here" which I find to be flawed. I understand the enlightenment you speak of, and it goes far beyond this realization of oneness and nothingness exiting the realm of language and entering the realm of pure experience, which I didn't see coming through in his writing in any way.
 
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