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"Enbalming Fluid"

When I was younger I inhaled the fumes from paint thinner to get high. Paint thinner isn't considered a psychoactive drug is it? Getting brain damage is actually very enjoyable, stupid but enjoyable. I could see how uninformed people would smoke formaldehyde. Would the fumes of burning formaldehyde be able to create an inhalant type high? It sounds plausible to me. Feeling like you're falling to the ground, so much so that you had to sit down sounds similar to inhalants. Only lasting a few minutes sounds similar too.
 
Dissociatives sometime present effects that are inhalant-like, especially with PCP. I know you weren't referring to nitrous oxide when you said "inhalants", but PCP will feel a lot like a whippet for me if I take too many hits, and whippets are considered "inhalants", just not necessarily "brain damage" inducing. Both will also make me want to "feel like falling" or "want to sit down really fast".

PCP liquid smells strong and so does formaldehyde.

I could picture a situation where actual formaldehyde is used, and the person using the "drug" gets high from the fumes of the formaldehyde itself, probably more than what lighting it up and smoking it would do.

That's why there's so much confusion between the PCP/embalming fluid thing. Even real PCP liquid smells like a solvent/marker, so if someone knows that for a fact, then smells a jug of formaldehyde and thinks they smell similar, then of course they'll believe that PCP and embalming fluid are the same thing.

PCP is a lower class street drug very popular on both coasts of the U.S. and it just sorta stops and makes me think.. How many knowledgable chemists are sitting in Harlem or Compton actually cooking up PCP are a good analogue, or are they getting it from a higher source? ..or are they breaking into funural homes and stealing embalming fluid and mixing it with the real PCP liquid? Either way it goes I think embalming fluid does get smoked by people occasionally, but it's usually either in some very very shady situation or when someone is just completely misinformed.
 
"Embalming fluid" = PCP


This is a confusion/urban legend/misrepresentation that's been going on for 20 years now at least, but it's PCP.
 
Sucks that this myth is so prevalent. I want to try PCP badly but I don't ever want formaldehyde getting into my lungs. Idiots out there ruin everything, man. 8)

I think I might go get some formaldehyde and gently, gently learn what it smells like. I have no idea what PCP smells like, if I know what formaldehyde smells like I can avoid getting it as PCP. Shame there's no pure PCP out there.
 
A quick google search led to this.

Embalming fluid is composed of:

* Formaldehyde
* Methanol
* Ethanol
* Solvents

Smoking dried embalming fluid may lead to some degree of extra intoxication – there are a lot of chemicals at play – but it is extremely hazardous to your health. Embalming fluid is a known strong carcinogen, and can lead to cancers of the lungs, nose, throat and mouth, and is strong enough that even smelling open formaldehyde can lead to headaches and nausea.

Smoking formaldehyde will also damage the tissues of the lungs and throat, and with chronic use will lead to decreased lung function, emphysema and bronchitis like conditions.

Trip reports from people that seem to have actually smoked formaldehyde laced joints indicate that while real embalming fluid will make you somewhat high, it is not a very pleasant experience - never mind the long term health effects down the road.

So yeah, apparently you can get high on actual embalming fluid.
 
Since this such hard misconception to break, I'm gonna post all of the thoughts I've cultivated on the issue... Which is actually alot, haha. I think embalming fluid laced PCP, or the idea that PCP itself IS embalming fluid is such an enduring myth for the following reasons:

*dons PCP-rofessor cap*

-Most street PCP is very impure and thus inherently toxic to a certain degree, due to PCC, piperidine, cyclohexanone, and other nasty precursor chems. Look up the toxicity levels of those and other probable PCP contaminants and note the toxicity level is in the MICROgrams. Now consider that a typical dip/sherm stick could contain anywhere between tens and hundreds of MILLIgrams of these nasties. Think befo' ya puff, my fellow shermed out bretherin! If you must indulge insist on getting the purest stuff you can get, and at least try and control your doses-even though it's known that to be nigh impossible with the strong shit. If at all possible research methods on how to clean up your samples if you're willing to do some chemistry. Unfortunately PCC, one of the worst in terms of inducing an aggravated shizophrenic-like state, and is notoriously hard to get out of the final product. Other analogs might be a better choice for this reason alone, but this just isn't an option most of the time. What's in "wet" could be any number of things, most of which not good.

-Even though PCP itself has never been conclusively proven to be neurotoxic, it's effects include cognitive impairment to a certain degree, and definately dissociation from the body to a very large degree. These facts combined with my last point means that heavy users could become used to the toxic effects, perhaps not even noticing the effects on the body until much much later when the damage has already been done. There is of course enough active phencyclidine in most street samples to keep your body numb for days on end. After even a few days of use the compulsion to re-dose can overtake any rational thoughts. Once the extremely strong Pavlovian response to the dopamine rush has been set, pretty much anything resembling the smell and taste of PCP dissolved in a solvent could set off a reaction. This could probably explain why people still claim to get effects off of pure embalming fluid, since it also has a very strong solvent smell despite not containing anything psychoactive... and why would it? It's not meant to be used on anything with a psyche to react to!

-MistaJeff and other's points about the similarity of these experiences to inhalant-type highs has to be taken into account. Many substances that aren't exactly psychoactive can result in altered consciousness when ingested. The explicit effects aren't going to be as long as real PCP which can last upwards of 8-12 hours depending on how much you dose. But like other inhalants it can cause brain damage and a period of feeling "out of it" and poisoned that it at least resembles a dose of street-grade PCP for enough so that the two could be confused. Keep in mind alot of the contexts this stuff is being passed around in are not your ideal drug experimentation circles. More than likely it's going to be street gangs who have a vetted interest in perpetuating this idea, the declining availability of real PCP of any quality also being a factor. In biker gangs and other criminal organizations new recruits are often forced to endure entrance rituals to prove they're willing to do anything for the gang. This could be one way the myth could be passed on, since it furthers the member's macho image to willingly take something so obviously damaging. Being known for breaking into funeral homes and other crimes can also gain attention and notoriety in the community. I certianly wouldn't say any of this to a gang member's face, but thinking from their perspective can at help understand their mindset and the reason for their existence.

-My last point was touched on briefly by another poster, that the experiences induced by dissociatives themselves are quite death-like. This combined with the distinctive smell and strong associations a drug this powerful can cause is something to consider. Once the slang term "embalming fluid" caught on, it's just like a viral meme spreading out and infecting whole sub-cultures. I was vaguely aware of the idea of PCP being used to lace weed, but never considered it a real possibility until it happened to me. I dismissed this whole embalming fluid idea as a wise-tale or classic misunderstanding and over-reaction by uninformed users and hysterical media... Until my friend who worked as a mortuary assistant in LA said someone actually tried to take a bunch of the same chemicals, and got caught in the process. Not until I took seriously these and other first-hand experiences, looked at the actual studies done on formaldehyde abuse, and listened to music like the Leak Bros' album "Waterworld" and other masterworks of underground hip-hop did I take it seriously... Or surriously depending on your choice of slang, ya hurr?

So I think I'll end my epic novel there. *passes the peace pipe to the next poster*
 
It's probably one of the most honest works done on the subject in music, captures alot of the vibes people experience very well. Sorry about the huge posts in every PCP-related thread, I think everyone will be happy to hear that I've started enjoying a little weed here and there and will be chilling out from now on. Here's my favorite leaked out track:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46dXQfMqVOs

Such awesome lyrical swordplay "I smell leak smoke left by anonymous..."
 

Are there any field tests to ensure that you have pure PCP at least? Like an EZ-test for purity of PCP.

Man, is there no way to ensure that you're not smoking carcinogens? No recrystallization? No evaporation? Nothing?

Why do they have to put bad poison in our good poison? :(
 
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If someone broke into a funeral home to steal embalming fluid, it was only because they incorrectly thought it is used in PCP synthesis. It is not.

Somewhere someone started this myth and it's perpetuated by those who have never made it. It's much easier to say "embalming fluid" than piperidine/sodium cyanide + ethyl ether/bromobenzene gringard reaction + coleman fluid + baking soda/hydrochloric acid = pcp
 
Gangbangers lead very meaningless lives, as do people who smoke formaldehyde. They should all be sterilized for their stupidity.
 
When I was younger I inhaled the fumes from paint thinner to get high. Paint thinner isn't considered a psychoactive drug is it?
Anything that alters ones conciousness would be considered psychoactive. I'm sure I don't need to warn anyone that inhaling volatile fluids is really fucking bad for you.
 
yes, regardless of how stupid or unlikely it sounds, people do in fact smoke formaldehyde soaked joints and cigarettes (after it dries of course)...i grew up in the south, and some of my black friends in high school used to do this shit...they called it "sherm" or "that shit". people would steal gallons of it from a chicken processing plant in town and they said it definitely fucks you up, but i never was dumb enough to try...it apparently fucked up one of my friends uncles completely...he's spent the last 10 or so years doing nothing but riding around town on a bicycle, talking to himself, and digging through garbage cans looking for coke cans...
 
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