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Election 2007.

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It isn't Labor. My family has benefited from lots of different things under a Liberal government, and that's how I'll vote. Maybe that "disappoints" you, but it's still the better option for us, in our location, considering our choices for schooling and growing our family etc.

Besides that, I just won't vote for such a slimeball. That's why I didn't vote Latham the last time around.
 
how could you describe latham as a slimeball? he could be accused of many things (naivety, arrogance, classism amongst them), but a slimeball? he was always an incredibly genuine guy who spoke his mind, so that doesn't seem to gel with me.

i don't think there's much point hypothesising about a greens-run australia either kytnism. though they would never admit it, i imagine their policies are rarely created with a "once we're in power this is what we'll do" mindset - the reality is that in any foreseeable future the greens just won't be in power. instead i think they're more pragmatic than they let on. essentially they're a lobby group - any endorsements they get from the voting public gives them leverage against (or with) whichever major party gains power.

for that reason they tend to choose positions perhaps more extreme than they would if they were actually in power. the greens' economic policies as they currently stand would probably destroy the economy. but the reality is that support for the greens will pull either major party to the left; the more extreme the greens make their policies, the stronger that pull will be.

of course it's a fine balance, since if they're too extreme they won't get any votes at all, and if they're too moderate they'll end up as impotent as the democrats; we've all seen what the "extremist" moderate position (i.e. a refusal to take a controversial position on, like, anything) has done to them. they're only just waking up to that reality.
 
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LP: Agreed ^ (if by pretty sweet you mean FUBAR)

though they would never admit it, i imagine their policies are rarely created with reality in mind. instead i think they attempt to play the role that they inevitably find themselves in - essentially a lobby group who can influence the policies of the major parties.
Spot on
 
Yeah but we all know you won't be happy with the government until we can all hear goose steps marching on by our houses and soldiers breaking in to take our children off to the army, so we have fodder for a perpetual war.
 
Haha indeed, I was going to get your phone number off Yarni and give you a call but I didn't because I'm a forgetful alcoholic :)

But I will be back at some stage!
 
onetwothreefour said:
how could you describe latham as a slimeball? he could be accused of many things (naivety, arrogance, classism amongst them), but a slimeball? he was always an incredibly genuine guy who spoke his mind, so that doesn't seem to gel with me.

He always seemed 'off' to me. Which, as it turns out, was pretty accurate. Slimeball probably describes Rudd better than Latham, but neither of them sit right with me. Don't get me wrong, Howard doesn't rub me the right way either, but Rudd makes me vomit in my mouth a bit.
 
hey hey, rudd's a different kettle of fish. he's not someone i'd be mates with, but he's an intellectual and that sits well with me as a head of state.

latham, to me, symbolised the opposite - intelligent and articulate but also down to earth and a bit bogan. but i like that too, since i'm bogan all the way ;)

i take the point about him being "off" on board no problems (he's off in the same way i am :D), but "slimeball" seemed a spurious remark that you needed to be called on.
 
i missed the debate but i don't think that's such a bad thing. remember the electorate is typically filled with retards who wouldn't know the difference between a metaphor and a metatarsal so it shouldn't be surprising to see the pols catering to the infamous lowest common denominator.

howard's a cunt, but he's a smart cunt.
 
I don't deny the fact that he's intelligent, but he's starting to seem a bit more senile than he ever was.

And he shouldn't have to appeal to the lowest common denominator because that's not what running a country is about. The debate wasn't anything to write home about but Howard definitely got creamed, and ended up looking like an ignorant fool through a lot of it.

Oh and for anyone who's interested ABC always has the best online election coverage. Real time results and what not:

http://www.abc.net.au/elections/federal/2007/
 
Early swing has Labor on track for government

With almost 6 per cent of the vote counted nationally Labor has secured a national swing of 5 per cent - enough to win the election.

Booths have just closed in Queensland and voting is still underway in the Northern Territory and Western Australia, but the early numbers have Labor comfortably ahead.

According to the ABC's election computer, Labor has so far gained the seats of Braddon in Tasmania, Corangamite in Victoria, and Page in northern New South Wales.

It is also has seat-winning leads in the Victorian seat of Deakin, the southern New South Wales seat of Eden-Monaro, and the New South Wales central coast seat of Robertson.

ABC elections analyst Antony Green says it is too early to give a definitive picture, but the indications are that the swing may be enough to result in a change in government.

Labor is expecting to poll well in Queensland, but the Coalition has targeted Western Australia.

Corangamite has been held since 1984 by Steward McArthur but a 7.5 per cent swing has the ALP's Darren Cheeseman well ahead.

With more than 6 per cent of the vote counted in the Prime Minister's seat of Bennelong, Labor's star recruit Maxine McKew is well ahead, having secured a swing of almost 18 per cent.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/11/24/2100216.htm

Early days yet but it's looking promising so far...
 
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