• Psychedelic Drugs Welcome Guest
    View threads about
    Posting RulesBluelight Rules
    PD's Best Threads Index
    Social ThreadSupport Bluelight
    Psychedelic Beginner's FAQ
  • PD Moderators: Esperighanto | JackARoe | Cheshire_Kat

Esoteric [Ego-Death Subthread] Why is it a good thing?

eDDe9 said:
I see what you mean but I've heard from people that taking halucagenics at about 25+ like when you've settled into life - slowing down, more used to your surroundings and your interpretation of normle is some what fixed.

That taking halucagenics then can be really bad (not that it can't be any way) as in you can't cope with the change and is all a bit sudden, where as if your young and your minds still developing your more likely to accept it into yourself.
Click to expand...

i agree with you on that, but the difference here is that you are experienced with meditation and that totally changes everything. i bet those people who 25+ don't have 14 years of meditation experience.. the way they integrate the psychedelic experience into everyday life is just not the same as that of a meditator.
 
vegan said:
you're ego is always there... before the experience
but during the experience, you don't even remember you were desiring this state
i really don't see why you're looking for a contradiction here
that said, "ego loss" is probably more correct than "ego death"
Click to expand...


I agree, the term ego loss is more appropriate- its not lke your ego dies- death insinuates a permanence to this state, which (unless you overdose) pyschedelics don't actually achieve.
Ego loss or 'reduction' is better- in my experiences the ego is, has to be, still there- but just not in the foreground of conciousness. My first breakthrough salvia experiecce was precicesly this- I experienced, through my senses, the most overwhelming senstions of otherness, that rapidly became firhgtening when I tried to figure out, or propel the experience in a new direction (most liekly the end!). These experiences are not places where the ego should be dominant- a trip is scary when you try to control it or stop it.

A bad trip can feel like rape and violation of the innermost sanctum, or a cleansing of all the useless crud you carry around. Where the ego comes into play, the trip is often left for the worse.

Ego loss could also be refferred to as consciously losing control- and by doing that, you gain control.
 
Ok this is a little off topic of the thread, but some how seems related to me (Plus I really value the opinions of the people who have been posting on this thread, you seem very insightful and intellectual.) Being a young man, 17, I have experiemented with a few substances, Weed, alcohol, Salvia, xtc, mostly for recreational and fun purposes. I recently got caught up by my parents for xtc use, went through this whole break down, got clean and sober, reformed my relationships with my parents, and life has been good. Not to long ago though I came to the conclussion that Im not done with my experimentation, Weed is always enjoyable to smoke, I have some really awesome and elightening experiances hoorah for great Cali weed. Xtc totally revolutionized who i was, allowed me to connect with myself and other people on a level I didnt even know existed, and know I would really like to dip into the realm of psychedelics. Most importantly Id like to experiance ego loss somewhere down the road. Now my question is this, many people have stated ego loss and a death of the selfish desires we all hold, by returning to substance use, after the confrontation with my family, full knowing that a second such confrontation would be disatorous, am I simply giving into these selfish desires that I am seeking to destroy? Or is it my parents closed minds, and parental concerns for me, the problem in the situation?
Thanks, and may you all find peace.
 
Bludda said:
Ego death is not annhilation.
It is emancipation.


You do not cease to exist.
The boundaries that define you cease to exist.


Having no boundaries, 'you' become nothing.
Yet 'nothing' is still apart of 'everything', and thus 'everything' remains.


The experience: There is no You.
The revelation: There is only you.


We are the Universe.





PS.
Mr P, you know what we're talking about.....
Click to expand...

aye
 
Ego loss has been sticking with me for awhile. I find when I trip after experiencing egoloss, it's like I have to try and control it, and I have to hold on and make sure I get through it, and I end up getting nothing out of it. I feel like the only way to make sure I just get through it is to just wait it out. I've really tried just letting go, and embracing what I feel like when I did it a long time ago. But it scares the shit out of me, and I keep thinking "god, i'm back here again, this fear. just wait 4 more hours, and it's gone." even calm music doesn't help, it's the worst thing in the world.
 
skavenger said:
Ego death allows you to experience a state of being free of the attatchments you've used to form your personal identity and use to interpret your experiences. By experiencing ego-loss you are given a glimpse at how significant these attatchments are and how they can effect your life. While the actual experience can be terrifying, retrospective examination of the experience can increase your understanding of who you are and what you value.

That said, not everyone should seek an ego-loss experience. It is very intense and potentially too difficult for some psychonauts to handle with any degree of comfort.
Click to expand...

Is there any way to tell if one is 'ready' or not? I honestly couldn't tell you, as I don't know what personality traits or wahtever are best to have. All i know is im happy and optimistic than life.. other than that, i don't know myself becuase i don't know what the experience entails.
 
bludda...........excellently put... we are all one consciousness, we are the universe..........awesome
 
everyone screaming ketamines best for ego death..........i beg to differ.....sweet breath + l.s.d 25+overdose.........= 1 hella loss of fuckin' ego
 
Last edited:
^ agreed. ketamine for me is sort of like jumping out of my body and ego, while with lsd i stay inside and watch as the whole thing crumbles to pieces
 
I need to die tonight. Best thing to achieve this for me: Ketamine + 5-MeO-DMT/DPT/DMT.
K alone can't do it, never IM'd it though, but at a certain point it will just make me pass out.

crOOk
 
A very large dose of Ayahuasca will do it. only one person alive i know that didnt experience Ego-Death on a large dose. but it is hard for him, he has made a thread about it. but it is a good thing. you cant say that you realise something in particular but that you realise something good or bad about your life. changes that might need to be made.
that or you just get really fucked....REALLY fucked and have fun. heh.
there are so many things that can come out of Ego-Death that you will only know about when it happens to you.
 
One guy I know, he's sort of a hardhead when it comes down to tryptamines... He eats 250-300grams of fresh shrooms in one session, and when he peaks he'll smoke 100mg DMT or 40mg 5-MeO-DMT... "Sort of" a hardhead. Acid is only fun at 2-3mg for him. Anyway, he doesn't even have a tolerance, he doesn't trip too often. He just likes strong trips. Maybe that's related to him eating acid with 11 years of age before having ever done other drugs... I don't know
Anyway, to get to the point. He says, the ONLY thing that he can achieve ego death with is 5-MeO-DMT. That's one of the reasons why it is by far his favourite drug...

crOOk
 
crOOk said:
I need to die tonight. Best thing to achieve this for me: Ketamine + 5-MeO-DMT/DPT/DMT.
K alone can't do it, never IM'd it though, but at a certain point it will just make me pass out.

crOOk
Click to expand...

Try orally + snorted. 500mg + 250mg should get you there. But you should never "need" drugs ;)
 
i never really understood what this ego death was until I experienced it last night on acid. I've done lots of ketamine and NEVER experienced it. Fuck ego death. I realized I had a big ego and became skitzophrenic until i sobered up.
 
eDDe9 said:
I have not experienced hallucagenics enough yet to answer this question but some relevant information others might like.


When you say being outside and looking in, I achieve this with my meditation. I have been meditating for around 4 years and for only a few months have I been able to achieve this.

As one said "LSD is only a catalyst."


Also one of my sister's friend's is a hypnotist and after her many years of studying this she is able to recreationaly achieve ego loss.



Now to say I'm only 15 I will most likely be asked as to why I meditate so I shall answer the question now...

When I was 8 years old I was face to face with death, I was trapped under a floor that had colapsed above breaking 2 of my ribs and severing my lower arm (was held on by tendons and I have my original arm still just with a major loss of nerves) and after some time I felt I had a choice to stay or to go...
With my upbringing (which is probaly why I'm here today) I had to stay and I knew my life was to change forever, so I had decieded to stay in this 'life' and it was as if I had some super natural power.

I had gained strength beyong my dreams to get myself out but all along I wasn't in control of my body, I was in what I think to be the 'ego lossed' state where I was looking in on myself and had the choice to let my body live or to die.


Since then I have been to phychologists and one pychologist (some one who specialises in 'tripping' and has experienced it many times his-self to help others) suggested I meditate so I did...If you want to spend years of searching for your inner self by going to your outer self then meditation is for you.



Now I'm currently looking for about 10grams of dried cubes to do over about 2-3 days but I'm in a way worried that I will experience that near death experience in my trip but in another way thats why I'm doing it, to control this experience is like karma - words won't do any justice so I'll leave it at that.



This thread has helped me alot to know where to look...credits to every one.



Thanks
Click to expand...

Impressive post!! People could learn a lot from you.

Curious are you a girl or guy?
 
Egos define and differentiate people. If everyone was permanently without an ego, the world would be a dull place full of low-energy drones.

Egos also are responsible for so much division and selfishness among us. Forgetting any concept of an ego for a few hours during a trip is a great way to find balance in who you are. One can't forget about the qualities that make him or her unique, but experiencing that period of total synergy with others and the environment is the most natural of therapies.

Tripping on shrooms has given me a lot of insight into the person I strive to be. My ultimate goal is to balance the power of the ego and come to realize the situations when my ego is a positive influence and the situations when it is not needed.
 
maxX said:
Fuck ego death. I realized I had a big ego and became skitzophrenic until i sobered up.
Click to expand...

self realization is a scary thing, finding out who we really are and who we used to pretend to be. dont label your experience as skitzophrenic.. it doesnt really give any hope for more understanding of ego death and how to create positive outcome. cultivate this way of observing your self from a hightened perspective into your everyday life so the next time you experience this awakening you will not shatter, instead watch and accept every part of your self slide away into a vortex of nothingness. be the observer without strict attachment to your emotions, thoughts, dreams, and other manifestations of ego. watch with the awareness of a baby, watching through the eyes of your true self, not something that has been configured to view reality with increasing limitations. deaaammmm :|
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top