Esoteric [Ego-Death Subthread] How to achieve it

[Xorkoth]

Sure, you can do that if you want to risk serotonin poisoning resulting in migraines or a coma.

Actually, mushrooms + MAOI (and DMT + MAOI and really any tryptamine + MAOI aside from AMT) is quite safe physically... I've never heard of or read about a case of it that resulted in serotonin poisoning. If you have evidence please post it though so we know.

 

[Psychonautical]

I hope that everyone here agrees with me
that a ++++ Godlike
and a Ego Death Experience
Are Not the same thing..


The Best way to describe a ++++ is the world is working for you, you have synchronized all of the events in your life, time, and moment, to a state that has achieved an ultimate state of perfection.

Ego Death, is one of those trips that CHANGES YOU
shakes you to your very core, and the foundations and principles of everything you have come to know and believe have immediately collided against your ego, and it dissolves. You are stuck in a quantum flux of emotions ranging from Sad to Nightmarish, and the only way anything will change is if you find some Fragile etch in the chaos that brings you back to a harmonious state.

 

[mezoa]

I never knew there was a definition for this, but I get 'ego death' from just smoking weed, and more so on weed and mdma. I am yet to experience this on LSD, however I am yet to take LSD in my own solitude. I think it is more to do with the fact that I am alone with my thoughts whilst on psychadelics that let's my mind wonder to places I never imagined, leading to a complete rediscovery of myself.

Does anyone ever feel slightly detached after experiencing ego-death?

 

[Roger&Me]

How to achieve ego death:

1. Take a shitload of LSD.
2. Lay down.

:D

 

[jamaica0535]

lots of psychs do it for me....

its not necessarily the amount you take but the mindset you can try and push yourself into and where you do it.... large doses and powerful psychs tend to make it a little easier though....

I have had success with various research chemicals in getting what i consider ego death... I find it very easy to just let go.... get comfortable somewhere, relax, and just stop trying to focus on anything.... closing your eyes in a quiet and dark place can help, eventually i just sort of drift off, i lose track of where i am and sometimes even the real idea of who i am.... It starts to get a little strange, i kind of have a habit of getting pretty trancy when i trip....

The most intense level of ego death i would have to say would be salvia just for the being hurled into a strange new world with no concept of "i am on a drug", sometimes existing without a body or tangible form at all.... I have thought i had died during one of my salvia trips....

 

[Deus]

The first time I consciously realized that I had ego death, I was tripping on Acid with a sober friend. He doesn't have a car, so he was driving mine. Every time he asked me where I wanted to go, I was just dumbfounded. I was utterly confused as to WHY he was asking me where I wanted to go.
I simply couldn't grasp the concept that we were 2 separate entities and what I want does not always match what others want. I just assumed that everything that popped into my head was universal and there the label of "I" was gone.

 

[Solipsis]

The first time I consciously realized that I had ego death, I was tripping on Acid with a sober friend. He doesn't have a car, so he was driving mine. Every time he asked me where I wanted to go, I was just dumbfounded. I was utterly confused as to WHY he was asking me where I wanted to go.
I simply couldn't grasp the concept that we were 2 separate entities and what I want does not always match what others want. I just assumed that everything that popped into my head was universal and there the label of "I" was gone.

Dissociation is not equal to ego death


Besides @ Roger and Me: I know I'm taking your post more seriously than you meant it but honestly though: I think one is more prone to achieve ego death with a not-so-strong barely medium dose of something like LSD plus adequate meditation than taking a shitload of LSD and not having the first clue how to go about it. Just saying :D

 

[rangrz]

every potent pyschedelic and disassocative in sufficent dosage has done it for me.

but why? ego inflation is so much more fun.

 

[PepperSocks]

How? I don't know, good question. It's ironic to talk about ego death because the desire to experience it is a construct of the ego. And the process of achieving it is most unappealing to the ego itself, usually. It feels like death and comes complete with instinctual scrabblings for survival. But if you can get past that, it becomes among the most beautiful experiences you can have.

That right there is what I haven't been able to do. I feel that if I let it all go and cross that line, I'll be leaving everyone I love and care about behind, and I cannot do it. If I die from natural causes it's one thing, but to actually be willing to die when you have the means to struggle and hold onto life, feels like true suicide. I don't think I'll ever be able to achieve ego death through psychedelics. I'll only achieve ego death when my physical body dies (which I feel is the only time it "should" happen). I like using psychedelics for personal growth, insights, expanded conscioussness, musical/sensory enhancement, all that stuff but I just can't let myself die. If I die from something out of my control, so be it, but I cannot "let" it happen on my own will, which I feel is the definition of suicide. I'm just trying to figure this all out, I've come close to that place before, but before I cross that line, I grab onto the edge of that cliff for dear life.

Edit: Just thought of something. I could see myself willing to let go to psychedelic drug induced ego death if my wife had already passed away and kids weren't in the equation, because I wouldn't feel like I was leaving anyone behind, because I wouldn't be.

 

[Xorkoth]

Well I certainly understand the feeling... I've never been able to just peacefully let go either because every time I am quite sure I'll actually never come back this time. But the thing is, you WILL come back. It's not actual death.

 

[The Winner!!]

I think when we die, we stay in that ego death state forever in the form of animals hehehe :D:D
Just thought of that, but interesting, lol. Or maybe in the form of stars, seeing how theres infinite fucking galaxies of them, eh?

 

[rangrz]

I have found my self just as at piece from ego growth...a level of ego where fear is gone, and nothing really matters. because the only thing that matters is YOU and if you die, then its over, and you dont care.

I'm having hard time putting this into words....its sort of like the two extreme's are not a lineral plane, but a circle, and they bump right into each other at 12oclock/0 degrees

 

[Kebil]

I have experienced ego death several times, never when I expected to nor necessarily wanted to. However, when it happened, it was one of the most profound and life changing experiences I had ever had. I have not tried any of the really short acting psychedelics like DMT. 5-MeO-DMT, or salvia, but I have experienced ego death on higher doses of 4-acetoxy-dmt, on ketamine, on dextromethorphan, and on 2C-E. I have found that smoking cannabis at the right time in a trip seems to trigger this for me, although sometimes cannabis just blisses me out.

NMDA antagonists, like ketamine and DXM are both very good at producing ego death, mainly because they cause a disintegration of ego boundaries. When my wife was alive, we both would take DXM on a very regular basis, and it was a beautiful experience to feel all the boundaries between myself and her just melt away. That is not quite the same as ego death, but it is a very short trip from that point to actually ego dissolution.

Unfortunately, I am on an MAOI right now, so I don't fool around with DXM as much.

 

[hOusEs]

my opinion in ego death is that, this whole lifechanging universe experience is just bs and ur brain is js fucking with you.

well thats just my thoughts on it

 

[walkietalkie]

I have never had anything occur that I could call ego death.
I've only realized that life is paradoxical. Oneness and otherness, ego death and self affirmation, etc are just more concepts of mind.
The most profound moments of 'truth' I've experienced have come while sober, usually while I am alone having a cigarette after a long day at work. Meditation is a funny thing, no matter how much I practice, the moment only hits when it comes unprovoked.
But in the end it's just an experience my mind reflects on, nothing more and nothing less. I know nothing but bliss in confusion :D

 

[Xorkoth]

I'm having hard time putting this into words....its sort of like the two extreme's are not a lineral plane, but a circle, and they bump right into each other at 12oclock/0 degrees

I like that.

my opinion in ego death is that, this whole lifechanging universe experience is just bs and ur brain is js fucking with you.

well thats just my thoughts on it

Well think of it this way... if the experience, whether illusion or not, leads to a relevation about awareness than changes the way you live your life, then does it matter if it's "real" or not? The result is the same.

Also, have you ever had it happen to you?

 

[L.S.Tea]

simple help for lossing your ego..

ok something tells me some people are a bit 'hazy' about what ego is... your ego is basicly your perseption of your self and YOUR world you live in [not the earth but your tiny box of personalised existance]. it protects you from seeing things clearly and makes you think you are/try to be more unique, 'better', important, ect then everything else, and makes you care what other people think!

its easy to get 'ego' e.g myspace..
just by personalising and exerting your unique style on people is showing ego.. crazy but true...

so if you want a basic way to experance what loss/death of ego can be like (think of it as step 1 along the path), try something as small as having a nice STRONG spliff or even just a few drinks so you get that nice but hypnotic state of mind, put some rythmic music on, [my personal faviroute would be some AMBIANT PSYTRANCE e.g shpongle, androcell...] close your eyes and just dance, follow the music, let it flow and move you and just dance, even if it just starts as some toe tapping that leads in to your leg and a finger ect till your up and raving around.. dont care what people think or if anyone is watching thats prt of loseing ego. just let your mind wander while you rythmicly move and enjoy the moment (just smile at the simplisity of how life really is even insects going about their day should seem beautyful & intracate)..

soooo the thing i think you guys may be talking about is mind body separation which is a completely different thing done with lovely entheogens like mescaline, shrooms, dmt....
sorry this is kinda long winded got a bit carried away lol should be longer though and more indepth lol

 

[walkietalkie]

ok something tells me some people are a bit 'hazy' about what ego is...

Keep in mind that ego has several definitions and is defined as performing different functions.
Some people consider the ego a conveniant illusion aiding in self sustainment, while others consider it parasitic.

 

[L.S.Tea]

yes and no... most people use ego is a collective defenition of mind but you have the 'Ego' 'Id' & 'Super ego' look them up

The Ego and the Id develops a line of reasoning as a groundwork for explaining various (or perhaps all) psychological conditions, pathological and non-pathological alike. These conditions result from powerful internal tensions—for example: 1) between the ego and the id, 2) between the ego and the super ego, and 3) between the love-instinct and the death-instinct.

The ego—caught between the 'id' and the 'super-ego'—finds itself simultaneously engaged in conflict by repressed thoughts in the id and relegated to an inferior position by the super-ego. And at the same time, the interplay between the love instinct and the death instinct can manifest itself at any level of the psyche. explaining the formation of the aforementioned tensions and their effects.

 

[walkietalkie]

yes and no... most people use ego is a collective defenition of mind but you have the 'Ego' 'Id' & 'Super ego' look them up

The Ego and the Id develops a line of reasoning as a groundwork for explaining various (or perhaps all) psychological conditions, pathological and non-pathological alike. These conditions result from powerful internal tensions—for example: 1) between the ego and the id, 2) between the ego and the super ego, and 3) between the love-instinct and the death-instinct.

The ego—caught between the 'id' and the 'super-ego'—finds itself simultaneously engaged in conflict by repressed thoughts in the id and relegated to an inferior position by the super-ego. And at the same time, the interplay between the love instinct and the death instinct can manifest itself at any level of the psyche. explaining the formation of the aforementioned tensions and their effects.

I know what they are, but this is exactly what I was referring to, the psychological western view, and the spiritual eastern view.
They have different qualities and therefor breakdown into different roles.