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Esoteric [Ego-Death Subthread] How to achieve it

Nibiru said:
I dunno, unless you don't get enough into you at once, I'd have to say DMT can do that without fail. At least for me it works that way.
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Well I have yet to actually smoke DMT so I cannot comment, but Ayahuasca, to me, was just another unpredictable psychedelic. A good psychedelic for sure, but still a psychedelic the operates on the principal of sensory overload, which to me is the opposite of where I want to be (sensory deprivation) when I use entheogens...

That said, smoking DMT is very high on my list of things to do :). Now if only I can find someone to extract it for me, I'm too lazy... haha.
 
JahRed24x said:
Well i experienced ego death on Ambien many of times in dosages of 50mg + .. lol but then again if you know anything about ambien the ego death doesnt last, lol cuz ur just a babbling walking zombie and have no memory of the experience...
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I'm very sorry, but this sounds to me like brain death, not "ego death".
 
Shambles said:
I was meaning that if you are experiencing ego-death then you would be unaware of people or physical sensations anyway. When it happens "alone" is a meaningless concept cos you are everyone and everything there's ever been and ever will be all at once for ever... Until the ego is re-established, at least. It's a very hard state to even attempt to explain but fascinating to see folks interpretations of it :)
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Endlessly fascinating. :)

Trying to describe most things in a trip can be extremely hard. The first time I dropped acid, the people taking it with me were asking what I was seeing, and it was like my brain just did not want me to talk about it!

I was sitting cross-legged in a tent playing with glowsticks in my lap towards the end of a loooong trip at Rainbow, and hadn't been able to say anything for a while. But this girl kept asking me to just "have a go, have a go! Try telling us what's on your mind."

Finally, without looking at anyone, I started choking out some words, my eyes were getting watery and I was smiling so big, and I said something like: "I feel like... I'm a god or something, in the desert... but long ago, in space, and I... I feel like I've got eleven, I feel like I've got eleven arms..." it made absolutely perfect sense to me, and what's even stranger, it seemed to make sense to everyone else, and they just smiled at me and said, "yeah!" :)

Even now my heart is racing and I feel all tingly just recalling it.

That was a fucking strange, beautiful night. :D
 
How? I don't know, good question. It's ironic to talk about ego death because the desire to experience it is a construct of the ego. And the process of achieving it is most unappealing to the ego itself, usually. It feels like death and comes complete with instinctual scrabblings for survival. But if you can get past that, it becomes among the most beautiful experiences you can have.

Which leads me to my point: I think the term "ego death" is misleading. It's possible, but in such an instance "you" would not remember anything afterwards, because it is your ego that separates the universal observer from "you". I have had this happen before... total blackout. In that sense, we achieve ego death at some point every night during sleep. Ego dissolution is what we're seeking... the ego being minimized to as tiny a speck as possible while still remaining present enough that the individual can bring something back from the experience.
 
^^^ Thanks, Xorkoth, very insightful! :)

And to think I was hesitant about starting this thread.

Maybe most terms about psychedelics are misleading. No drug experience has ever been what I expected it to be, especially acid, which I'd heard so much about. We try to talk about the experiences and sometimes even share things in common, but the trip is so personal and person-sensitive, it's one of the many reasons I love it!

Ego-death or not, it's fantastic when LSD (or any drug for that matter) can let you stop worrying about what you're doing and just 'be.'
 
Yep, that's primarily why I continue to use psychedelics... they're the healthiest way I know to help myself just be and let go of all the anxieties that come with surviving in the modern world.

That's the funny thing about reading about psychedelics... it's never going to be able to portray what it's like... not even close. Writing about them is at least as much for your own personal benefit as it is for the benefit of others.
 
Ego death "achieved me" the very first time I tried pot. I guess I'm pretty sensitive to THC. As well I was pretty stupid and didn't do it in the right set or setting, or with experienced smokers. I expected a sort of opiate physical-feel-good feeling, nothing psychoactive.

I smoked a huge joint for my first time, smoked the whole thing. As my friends and I were walking down the sidewalk, my vision slowed...everything became choppy. It was as if I was drunk. Then I got tunnel vision. As I was walking behind my two friends, I got the most petrifying thought loop I've ever had...I can't explain it very well, but imagine the most shocking terror you can possibly experience and multiply it by 2. That lasted about thirty seconds I'm guessing but felt like an eternity. I mean...I've been in situations where I was certain I was going to die and it didn't feel half as bad as that. It was like the most horrible terror-feeling ever was then hit with waves of petrifying abject terror that consumed me.

Then, I fell down on the sidewalk...but felt no pain whatsoever. I was very dissociated from my body. I read a bit about DXM and what I felt was very similar to some bad DXM experiences (minus the hallucinations).

Then...complete and total ego death. I didn't know who I was, or what I was. I didn't know anything. I was purely reptilian brained, 300 million years of evolution thrown right out the window. I didn't realize at the time what was even happening to me. It was as if my reality, something I have always taken for granted, had morphed into the most terrifying nightmare you can imagine. I didn't expect this either. Before I even fell down I had lost all insight, meaning I didn't know I smoked marijuana. Even if I did I couldn't have comprehended what that meant. And it didn't last for only a few seconds. I didn't realize who "I" was until about an hour afterwards.

I personally didn't enjoy the experience one bit. I didn't know for several weeks what the hell happened to me. I think when I had ego death I also had a panic attack, and had continuing panic attacks for a week afterwards. Got derealization and all that jazz. It wasn't a fun experience.

The only "enlightening" thing about it was that I realized how truly absurd this reality is, how strange it is. If you ever get completely disconnected from your ego and experience reality as it really is, you will realize how strange it is as well. And it isn't always a good thing. If you're like me, you normally bask in the illusion of the ego. Once that illusion is gone it's pretty hard to stay sane but I've dealt with it. I wish I never had this experience. I liked just the illusion. "Ignorance is bliss". I have been an atheist for years but this experience made me agnostic.

I'll never use any psychoactive drug again (well I guess I'll stick with caffeine!). It was too intense. I don't know how some of you can enjoy ego death! Maybe if you're already a spiritual person you can enjoy the experience because it fits your pre-existing philosophy but it tore my atheism right out the window. I couldn't really understand the Buddhist religion before that but now I understand it perfectly. Who knows, maybe it was a drug-induced psychosis or a schizophrenic episode. I've been kind of scared ever since thinking I may have some sort of underlying mental illness like schizophrenia...I didn't feel normal for two whole months after that.
 
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Xorkoth said:
It's ironic to talk about ego death because the desire to experience it is a construct of the ego. And the process of achieving it is most unappealing to the ego itself, usually. It feels like death and comes complete with instinctual scrabblings for survival. But if you can get past that, it becomes among the most beautiful experiences you can have.

Which leads me to my point: I think the term "ego death" is misleading. It's possible, but in such an instance "you" would not remember anything afterwards, because it is your ego that separates the universal observer from "you". I have had this happen before... total blackout. In that sense, we achieve ego death at some point every night during sleep. Ego dissolution is what we're seeking... the ego being minimized to as tiny a speck as possible while still remaining present enough that the individual can bring something back from the experience.
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I remember my OBE's, I don't know about you. They seemed clearer than life itself.
 
An OBE is not the same as ego death by the way I was describing it. You still had a concept of "you" during your OBE, right? Enough that you could say "this is happening to me", even if when you said "me" it didn't refer to exactly the same entity as it would in ordinary waking life?

An OBE is not necessarily the same as ego dissolution, although it could include ego dissolution. I've had an OBE but I was still considering myself to be Xorkoth. What I'm talking about is moving beyond that into the universal mind.
 
Is ego death when you are tripping and your feel your body disapear and feel asif your nothing in a realm where time doesn't exist? When my crab tripped on LSD for the first time a few nights ago, the crab could literally feel his ego being pushed aside (I mean literally), unkown to this feeling, the crab thought it was just common on LSD, after reading this thread....what did exactly happen?

The feeling was a positive one, whereas the crab really knew how free he was in life and that anything in life can be achieved. Everything seemed to have an answer which was so obvious yet so hideen.

Anyone have any further info on this perhaps? Much appreciated in advance.

NOTE: Should be pointed out at this time of the trip, the crab couldn't truley destinguish between what was reality and what was not. Everything seemed to be one.
 
canceriancrab88 said:
Is ego death when you are tripping and your feel your body disapear and feel asif your nothing in a realm where time doesn't exist? When my crab tripped on LSD for the first time a few nights ago, the crab could literally feel his ego being pushed aside (I mean literally), unkown to this feeling, the crab thought it was just common on LSD, after reading this thread....what did exactly happen?

The feeling was a positive one, whereas the crab really knew how free he was in life and that anything in life can be achieved. Everything seemed to have an answer which was so obvious yet so hideen.

Anyone have any further info on this perhaps? Much appreciated in advance.

NOTE: Should be pointed out at this time of the trip, the crab couldn't truley destinguish between what was reality and what was not. Everything seemed to be one.
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If the "crab" in question had indeed experienced ego death, the "crab" would have no concept of "life" or being "free" because the crab wouldn't know it was even an entity.
 
I have achieved ego death on salvia divinorum. Took one massive hit of 50x extract followed by another once i was down. Literally blew my mind out of the water. I agree that it can't really be forced, but salvia and DMT seem to be good at inducing it.
 
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