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Please help. JWH Headaches..

Hello..
So, backstory,
I hardly smoke anything and whenever I do, it's hardly a lot.
One night I had a spice called AK-47 24 karat gold. I do not think it has JWH-18 in it but I do not know what it does have in it..
Anyhow, I smoked a rather decent amount (like a half bowl).. for me that is a lot.
Two weeks after, I still have a pressing headache.

The headache isn't anything I am used to.. in that it is not sinus, it is not fixed by advil, etc.
It is brought on upon stress especially, but is usually lurking in the background
It affects the front of my head mostly, feels like there is a lot of pressure. in my head.
I think its causing the sides of my eyes to be red (due to the pressure).
When it is really bad, the pressure goes all the way down to my neck.
When it is really bad, my ability to think critically is impaired.

I've read some other forums that somehow say this related to DOPA receptors.
Some people say that it took 6-12 months to go away.. others say that it took a couple weeks.
If the JWH components somehow mess with your DOPA stuff, how would it be long term?? I mean.. aren't receptors just cells that regrow? Idk...

I just want to know if a) anyone has had this experience, but more importantly, if they have, b) What has helped and when did it go away.

I have not smoked, nor will, since then. I am also working on not being stressed and on being healthy. I am hoping this goes away fast. I do not like this feeling of pressure and space-y-ness..

Help
 
Herbal~Jah said:
all those synthetics are horrible, i never understood why people used them on a regular basis... they didn't even feel good, the real stuff (bud) is way better and feels safer.
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indeed the real thing is MUCH better..

BUT, the fake stuff is a fraction of the cost..for a few dollars you can get high for a few days on spice

thats the only reason i smoke the shit, cuz its so cheap........... you know how Reggies is way cheaper than Kind Bud? well its the same thing with Spice, its way cheaper than Reggies



ALSO: if youre a schizo, dont smoke weed or synthetics.. simple as that....................problem solved
 
Badfate your life is not ruined, this kind of shit happens to a lot of people. Just work your way out of it and see a psychiatrist. You will be fine, Mind over Matter, don't get dishearted. Soldier out of it.
 
This thread just keeps gettin' more bleak/scary...
While the "What do you feel most valuable in getting stoned?" keeps getting more interesting/introspective.
 
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Its been 8 months now (since last may) and the symptoms seem to continue to get worse
I find everything a challenge, reading, writing, speaking, remembering, concentrating, and have chest pains
I feel like my life as i know it is over
I search the forums and blogs all the time and it seems like no one has recovered
I am fairly certain that it is nerve or receptor damage that is the cause
This stuff is worse than meth, and people dont typically recover their abilities after meth
I smoked wicked xxx and mary janes mostly for about 3 months every day, not that it matters anymore

But I put the question out there, has anyone had any significant improvements to memory and thinking?
 
Guys, I am almost hesitant to post this, but this worsening condition that keeps being described sounds very similar to the onset of a schizoaffective disorder... A good friend of mine has been suffering similar problems over the past two years, but he had a family history of schizophrenia and was diagnosed when he turned 20. Early on, synthetic cannabinoids definitely made his symptoms more noticeable, but he insisted that he was enjoying the experience. Eventually he was unable to remember anything at all (or function really) while under the influence, and he was constantly frustrated instead of feeling mellowed by their effects. At this point we had a talk, and he doesn't smoke any of them anymore (except JWH-200, which we have found to have nootropic effects). He takes many nootropics now, and we've worked out a vitamin/supplement regimen that we both take daily. It's tough, sometimes it gets better; sometimes it gets worse (especially in the winter). He had been taking low-dose LSD bimonthly to manage his headaches, but sometimes I worry that this may be worsening his symptoms (cognitive function and mood continued to decline). He claims that nothing works as well as 5-HTP, but this is not suitable for long-term use without the supplementation of Carbidopa (as free floating serotonin has been shown to cause heart problems), which is quite expensive. He is now unable to hold a job of any kind and there is no chance of his being able to afford medications. Back when I could afford to buy large stocks of Carbidopa & 5-HTP for him I noticed it would balance his mood and that he became much more talkative and able to vocalize his thoughts. He agreed with these sentiments and said it helped with his headaches too (not as much as the LSD, but a step in the right direction). Since then, however, certain government agencies have felt the need to remove said capital, so we are back to the drawing board...

Schizoaffective disorders are often latent conditions that can be triggered by a traumatic experience such as the death of a loved one, a near death experience, or even a drug-induced psychotic episode. It is far more common in males and usually manifests in their early twenties. There is quite often a family history involved, so anyone questioning should find out whether other relatives suffer from similar conditions. OCD is also a closely related disorder that often manifests earlier than the schizoaffective disorders and is often documented in the families of those afflicted. It is important to note that the alleviations mentioned are not specifically for the treatment of any certain disorder, rather they are a multifaceted approach to generally improving cognition. These have been composed from an amalgamation of information that we have gleaned from reliable sources but should not be used in lieu of professional medical evaluation. We do this ourselves because we have no other option.

Again, I am not trying to scare anyone, but knowing your family medical history is important in this day and age. Best of luck to anyone out there, and I wish you all a pronounced recovery.
 
Yo badfate... I've been in contact with people who have recovered 100% from K2 spice... So dont start feeling like hope is lost... there was a forum called synchronium where the first cases of K2 spice, started popping up.. Im sure at least 95% recovered to full function... But yo I sent you a message to try and get in touch with you. Let me know if you got it because, I had some information I wanted to send to you. And I wanted to see where you are getting your information from in regards to the forum and blogs you have been searching.. Im going to send you another message with my email. Check your inbox on this site.

I also wanted to send a list of vitamins and herbs that can reverse brain cell damage. I studied this stuff when I was in school and kno that vitamins and herbs can work better than medications in alot of cases... You mentioned you a had a psychotic episode, did you take any antipsychotic meds? All this stuff factors in..

Check your inbox on this forum and send a message to email. The info I have is some good stuff. I wish I could post in on here without moderators cutting it...
 
hueyfree123 said:
Yo badfate... I've been in contact with people who have recovered 100% from K2 spice... So dont start feeling like hope is lost... there was a forum called synchronium where the first cases of K2 spice, started popping up.. Im sure at least 95% recovered to full function... But yo I sent you a message to try and get in touch with you. Let me know if you got it because, I had some information I wanted to send to you. And I wanted to see where you are getting your information from in regards to the forum and blogs you have been searching.. Im going to send you another message with my email. Check your inbox on this site.

I also wanted to send a list of vitamins and herbs that can reverse brain cell damage. I studied this stuff when I was in school and kno that vitamins and herbs can work better than medications in alot of cases... You mentioned you a had a psychotic episode, did you take any antipsychotic meds? All this stuff factors in..

Check your inbox on this forum and send a message to email. The info I have is some good stuff. I wish I could post in on here without moderators cutting it...
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can you send me that list too?
 
Please don't lose hope guys. I'm new on here I just found it, but I had a horrible time from that shit too, and you will get better. I promise you. I am a pothead, and thank God I am able to still enjoy it.

At first,I thought the synthetic stuff was a godsend. My boyfriend and I were high fiving each other saying "sweet we can just get weed at the store". We smoked everyday for 3 months. We were on top of our game. He painted so many pictures, I made crazy videos on the computer and cartoons and wild cool, shit. We felt fine, great even, but I kept saying to him "do you think this stuff is hurting our THC receptors?" he would laugh. My mom smoked it a few times, but said it made her feel "weird", and she wouldn't smoke anymore with us, thank you God.

Then we ran out of money. But our sinsemilla was ready. We stopped smoking the incense and started smoking our homegrown. I still had all of our old incense containers (no lie, over 30 containers, I haven't counted or cleaned the drawer since, I'm afraid to open it, I am afraid of the drawer), and I rubbed the dried leaves of my ganja plants in the containers, pulling up huge piles of white powder from the sides, then smoking it and the leaves, basicly making my own k2, I thought it was genious. My boyfriend kept trying to pass me the bowl of ganja, but I wanted to try to get more white powder.I don't know how when or how long after that, and some budweisers, but all of a sudden, we got really sick taking turns puking, like not a normal drunken puking thing, you know?

Then all of a sudden we were smacked with anxiety.We woke up the next day with our hearts pounding. My chest hurt. My mind was spinning thinking I was dieing. We couldn't eat like usual (I ended up loosing 15 pounds over the whole course. My boyfriend is thinner too, and he can't afford to loose the weight.) Man I've put the worst of it out of my head. It was hell, plain and simple. We were loosing our minds. For two months we had trouble sleeping. We would wake up in full blown panic attack, heart beating out of control. High blood pressure so my vision was blurry.

But we slowly got better. We would go for a walk when the anxiety hit, but walk really slowly, like you are old or something. It actually helped our heartbeats, and helped us smile. We tried to luagh at ourselves and take really good care of ourselves. We watched what we ate and drank, because coffee now sent us into full red alarm panic. Turkey made us feel happy(perhaps the tryptophan), we drank so much water you wouldn't believe it. We got baby aspirin and took one in the mornings, that seemed to help if not just mentally. I think there is some PTSD associated with this stuff. But talking about it seems to help me get over it. You wil be ok, Your in my prayers and you will get better. The fact that you are on here and not in the phych ward, says alot in itself. Hang in there.
 
I am not a schizophrenic but i was diagnosed with bipolar a year before taking herbal incense
enix150 you stated your friend was not able to remember or talk for 2 years? is that right?
I am experiencing the same thing, and it seems to continue to get worse no matter what i do
Again, its been about 8 months since use and i still struggle daily
Its becoming increacingly more difficult to read and much more so to write
The problem is that i dont retain what i read in memory right after reading it
Could it be that I have fried my neurons? i hope every day that it dosent get any worse
Its even physically difficult to try to speak, its like my jaw is rusty and painful
I would contribute that to why i am not talking, but really its because i have nothing to say anymore
I can struggle to remember major events during the day but everything else is just a blur or nonexistant
I wasnt like this even 2 months ago, atleast not as bad
I have also had reoccuring chest pains as well, if i try to run at all it feels like my heart is going to explode
I think my body is shutting down and that I may die soon or something, scary thought
 
I forgot to mention that i cant see straight anymore
I zone out all the time these days but when i do, i go sorta crosseyed and blurry
Happens literally every few minutes
Time is moving soo quickly as well, every day rolls into the next
 
Awww man badfate... Dude, if you were diagnosed bipolar and then smoked K2, there is no telling the type of reaction that could have. Bipolar's are at risk for
psychotic features as well. And bipolar itself can be characterized by bad memory. I sent you an email with all the information I have found on this stuff. Its
at your school email that you provided for me. There is alot there. At the bottom, there is something I mention called "orthomolecular therapy" and how some guy found cures for Bipolar and schizophrenia using just vitamins. I dont know if its true or not but its worth taking a look. Everything I else I posted in there is relevant information though so look into it.

And the vision thing you were describing, I had that for awhile about 3 months... Sometimes it comes back when I dont take
vitamins or if I start eating junk food and sugar or caffeine. After I run for a little bit, the same shit happens. Like anything you
do to make it better, it just says fuck no... But EXERCISE, EXERCISE, EXERCISE is the only way. Exercise is the best way to
promote healthy brain change.. Cardio, (running) allows more oxygen to pass into the brain thus increasing memory. And lifting weights, your brain secretes all types of healthy hormones to get rid of free radicals and toxins in the brain.

Another thing I should mention to you, badfate, is that the medications you are on can cause all of these memory problems. I mention it in the email I sent you. Talk your psych about at least getting off the antipsychotic if all of your "psychotic symptoms" have passed.... The withdraw may be something crazy tho...
Keep trying man.

PS... I tried to send the info to your inbox on the bluelight forum, but it said it was full so save your messages to ur computer and clear out some space....
 
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Yo "headaches7" Imma send you the message I sent to badfate... all the info I've come across as well as the vitamin list I have been taking and stuff. Its alot but go thru it. SOme of the links are reasons why I take it and forum post by other people who have similar experiences with this stuff...
 
"Chemically insane" i suggest you quit smoking K2 spice right now... And get rid of cigs and go to the gym and start sweating. Get on a vitamin regimen too. People who have tried to quit experienced panic attacks, anxiety, and withdraw... K2 spice can cause psychosis in people with no history and in people who arent even predisposed. I hope u listen...
 
badfate said:
I forgot to mention that i cant see straight anymore
I zone out all the time these days but when i do, i go sorta crosseyed and blurry
Happens literally every few minutes
Time is moving soo quickly as well, every day rolls into the next
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After 4-5 days of not smoking it you'll start to feel alot better, and probably be back to normal within 10 days. It is horrible though. Can take alot longer than this too, am2201 affected me for 2 or 3 weeks after i quit smoking 300mg/day.
 
ChinaMayne said:
I would advise not doing this
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I would actually say yes, this is the right thing to do. Hopefully he will be able to get his hands on some of the original product.

I say this because I myself have probably smoked probably more than 3 ounces of the shit. I was on it really bad once when I was having to abstain from marijuana use ( which I have dependency problems with ) I was smoking every day and every chance I got. basically when I came down I would impulsively re up. this when on for 6 months or so, so I was pretty much addicted to the spice shit. mostly when the original products were out. I used to smoke Demon, all of the K2 products like, mostly summit, but the flavored ones too. I have mainly had psychological problems after finally quitting a few months after JWH-018 was banned. anyway so I have had my fair share of experiences like this and worse ( seriously ) but for the most part the bad shit goes away after you redose and have a normal trip. so yeah I would advise doing that.

also, I can relate on the smoking with others thing, I feel like smoking spice so much actually changed how I feel when I smoke the real thing. if you are actually into enjoying marijuana and want a nice clear high, I suggest making edibles!! oz of dank per pound of butter! good luck. things will get better with time!
 
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hueyfree123 said:
"Chemically insane" i suggest you quit smoking K2 spice right now... And get rid of cigs and go to the gym and start sweating. Get on a vitamin regimen too. People who have tried to quit experienced panic attacks, anxiety, and withdraw... K2 spice can cause psychosis in people with no history and in people who arent even predisposed. I hope u listen...
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No I've only tried K2 once.... didn't like it... I used to smoke "white rhino" now I smoke "purp syndrome xxx" which is cheap, mild and smooth...
 
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