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Effectiveness of Suboxone vs. Methadone for Maintenance

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TheDownwardSpiral

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I know there is a 'mega-thread' for subs vs dones, but I feel like my question is more specific than simply which one is better, and I'd like to get feedback on this specifically.

I remember reading in the mega-thread that someone mentioned that subs, while keeping them from getting sick and prevented them from getting high even if they tried, just left them still thinking about/craving dope, whereas methadone also kept them from getting sick/high, it also satisfied their urge to get high (probably because it does get you high itself?) and generally worked better for them.

Well, the reason I'm starting this thread is because I feel the same way, that subs kept me from getting sick/high but just left me wanting to use. On Tuesday I'm going to the clinic for my first time, and I'm trying to decide if I want to go on subs or done. I have been on subs before through a program (it wasn't a clinic) where you went once a week, had a group therapy session and received a weekly script for them. I made it for a month until I was kicked out for failing a (one) drug test. While I didn't get high, that empty feeling, that urge to get high was too great and I ended up doing some oxy to satisfy it.

Do most of you feel the same way, that subs just leave you wanting to get high? If so, does methadone work better in satisfying that urge? Or am I going to be left wanting to get high either way? I know that its a lot harder to get off than other opiates, but I have literally 18 hours left in school to get my degree, and drugs are really fucking that up right now. I feel like if I go on suboxone, I'm just going to be thinking about drugs while I'm trying to focus on school and it's not going to help, but if I go with methadone, I'll get that buzz in the morning that I'm looking for and be able to go on with the rest of my day.

Am I crazy??

Mods - if this belongs in BDD, please move.
 
OP i agree subs offer little value except as a blocker ime, methadone on the other hand is a full agonist and if your on a high enough dose will satisfy your cravings more, just remember once you start methadone theres no going back, after a certain point it will then be hell to get off.If subs didnt work your only choice is abstinance+ cold turkey or methadone maintenance.
 
Do please listen to the "once you go in theres no turning back". I started out on it. I tried sub 3 times total. I couldn't handle how they made me feel which was really sick. Basically I couldn't wait long enough and got precipitated w/d every time. The one time sub actually worked was when I was on vicodin and morphine/percocet addiction. I took a third and woke up the next morning and actually felt amazing, but at the end of the day I wanted vicodin, but still held off until day 2. This was before I was using heroin and doing handfuls of morphine/vicodin/percocet/fent, whatever I got my hands on. If you cannot wait, then jsut go to Methadone but do think about it hard just dont over think it. I chose MMT because I couldn't stand the feeling of W/D. I regret this decision everyday. I say this because I Hate/Love opiates/oids. I wouldn't use them. I realized the only reason I was using was because my life lacked of something I later found when I moved which was excitement. Methadone Is a life saver don't get me wrong but I just wish I would have gave Bupe. a better chance at doing its work. I shouldn't have done what I did but there is no turning back. I tried detoxing myself off 30mgs of methadone, and found myself puking after 4 days of trying to taper with grams of heroin, and vicodin. It never eased my methadone W/D symptoms until I did a shit ton. Even then I would just go on opiate rages. It sucked. The day I puked was the day I went back to the clinic. Just remember if you do go through with it and do MMT, just remember that 30mgs which is the normal starter dose, is more than you think. 50mgs is more than you think, and after 60-70mgs, theres no point unless you want more sedation. There is a general warmth and high once you start but when its done, its the most annoying thing ever waking up and going to the clinic. If theres one thing that pisses me off everyday it would be going to the clinic everyday but since I'm a good guy now I wont have to due to take homes. Just stay clean if you're in MMT, if your on benzos RETHINK your choice and make sure you got a script, and a clinic that doesn't frown on them. My old one wouldn't even raise me past 30mgs because I took 20 measly mg's of Diazepam! Be safe. ;)
 
Avoid Methadone and go onto Suboxone. I've been on both and getting off Methadone is near impossible unless you switch onto Suboxone. So its a cycle. Suboxone has done a better job for me. I relapsed on Methadone because the done was never enough and I still had a taste for opiates. I just wanted to be more sedated. The Suboxone can't give me a potential because its not a full agonist and it won't get me high. My cravings stay away for most of the day.

I'm still on Suboxone but the only reason I'm on it is because I couldn't get off the Methadone. Tapered or cold turkey. It made me completely sick for days. I'm talking puking every hour, not able to get out of bed unless to shit. I felt miserable, could barely move because my body hurt so much. I was hallucinating, wanted to kill myself.

I've gone off Suboxone for up to 5 days and the withdrawals were nothing like Methadone, much more subtle. So when I'm ready to get off the Suboxone I know I won't be going through as much hell. Fuck Methadone.
 
Unfortunately I am already addicted to methadone or I would avoid it.....

If you have a choice I would go with the suboxone.....It is more expensive usually and doesn't stop the cravings for some people but the withdrawl is much less severe.....


Methadone is worse than heroin from all I have been told........
 
both are good choices imo and are better than street drugs, especially heroin i.v. but if you choose methadone dont stay on it longer than a year, after that your chances of being on it for decades/life increase a lot more imho.
 
Every person I know on Methadone still uses gear and I know of nobody that has ever got clean and stayed clean on a meth script. Subutex is far better as it feels and is less toxic on your body, the taper and jump off is easier plus you cant use on top. People I know use MMT as a stop gap inbetween scoring so they dont get sick. If you want to get clean get on the Subutex - if you want to carry on using dope but dont want to get sick then methadone is the one to go for. I struggled to get clean on a meth script for near on 10 years yet as soon as I started taking Bupe I manged to get clean and stay drug free!
 
^ wow 32mg bupe iv is a lot of powder to I.V., dangerous habit man, glad your off them. agree totally that while not a high as such, methadone does feel more like a traditional opiate, unlike subs with its unpleasant imo speedy effect. both are opiates , with bad wds if not tapered properly just like any other opaites. yes methadone takes much longer to taper off, but so what?. Lets not forget that bupe wd's CTurkey are very nasty ime especially when you have been using them for a few years

@Darkinthepark

If your methadone dose is regular and high enough say 80ml +, like it SHOULD BE ,then using on top isnt possible just like with subutex. the mdones cross tolerance will block you getting high off heroin etc.. ime the blockade effect off 90ml methadone (taken every day) lasts just as long, if not longer than when i was on 16mg of subutex daily. still takes 3 days of nothing before i can think about using H
 
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Its just so much easier to relapse on methadone specifically because it produces classical opiate effects so your still chasing something and once the opportunity comes its very hard to say no.

Suboxone doesn't feel much like an opiate and to me, it has nearly no opiate effects at all. It lifts your mood and sort of helps with depression which is one big reason why people relapse. Taking opiates just doesn't feel as intriguing anymore. Withdrawals don't even touch how bad the ones from Methadone are. There are still withdrawals but they are manageable. I'd say easier than any of the full agonists that are abused like oxycodone, heroin, oxymorphon, etc.
 
^ maintanace methadone doesnt have classical opiate effects ,any more than subutex does ime. you are not chasing anything on mmt and if you are your in for a bad time. like subs after a few weeks you get a tolerance AND a blockade effect , yes people dont take methadone every day or stay on low doses so they can use still, but the same can be said about people on takehome subutex. BUPE helps with depression because its a strong, addictive opiate like any other and thats what makes it so difficult to stop ime
 
K'd-OUT-in-AZ said:
Its just so much easier to relapse on methadone specifically because it produces classical opiate effects so your still chasing something and once the opportunity comes its very hard to say no.

Suboxone doesn't feel much like an opiate and to me, it has nearly no opiate effects at all. It lifts your mood and sort of helps with depression which is one big reason why people relapse. Taking opiates just doesn't feel as intriguing anymore. Withdrawals don't even touch how bad the ones from Methadone are. There are still withdrawals but they are manageable. I'd say easier than any of the full agonists that are abused like oxycodone, heroin, oxymorphon, etc.
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can you pm the best way for one to switch to bupe on 102mgs of done by a taper method. I really don't like going to the clinic everyday and I honestly hate the buzz and extra sedation it makes depression worse. I want to take it into consideration because I don't know if I wanna be on done forever or not. I don't want to be puking for more than 2 days MAX, or sick in anyway is that even possible? My body just doesn't play that shit well.

and whomever said you wont get classical opiate effects in mmt thats a LIE. Yes you do. I hate to break it to you but even after a year now almost? I still get a little warm and fuzzy after every dose. It's not a high but its def there. Some of the more hardcore junkies probably wont feel it as much but medicre junkies can and do. I have asked every fucking hardcore junkie at the clinic I go to and they say they get a little sedated. and some looove double dosing the shit...I would never do that. fuck that shit
 
darkinthepark said:
Every person I know on Methadone still uses gear and I know of nobody that has ever got clean and stayed clean on a meth script. Subutex is far better as it feels and is less toxic on your body, the taper and jump off is easier plus you cant use on top. People I know use MMT as a stop gap inbetween scoring so they dont get sick. If you want to get clean get on the Subutex - if you want to carry on using dope but dont want to get sick then methadone is the one to go for. I struggled to get clean on a meth script for near on 10 years yet as soon as I started taking Bupe I manged to get clean and stay drug free!
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man some people cant handle the wait time I know I couldnt and I hated precipitated w/d that was the worse. I hated the chills and the nausea man. I couldnt handle that
 
@B+A " and whomever said you wont get classical opiate effects in mmt thats a LIE. Yes you do. I hate to break it to you but even after a year now almost? "

The same can be said about subs maintenance, why do you think everyone says they can help with depression, because they give a speedy, mood lifting "buzz".
Its different from methadones slight warm/sleepy feeling , which is very mild indeed when on mmt but its still there even when on subs daily. why do mthadone haters allways like to paint subutex as some weak, non abusable drug, its no different and just as easy to "cheat" on ,if not easier(far more take homes) ime.
 
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