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Ecstasy Suicide Attempt

happytoking

happytoking

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In a TV show someone tried to kill themselves with ecstasy. In a scenario where it isn't bunk shit and actual mdma contents, would the person feel good before things went downhill? Like taking 15-20 pills at once. Sorry if it isn't enough to start a brand new thread, anyone who I should message for further questions? I have tried searching the web but found nothing :/
 
From a purely speculative point of view, one could guess that the huge release of dopamine/norepinephrine would cause significant vaso-constriction/heart rate issues. I'm assuming this wouldn't be nice, as it would feel like the most intense come-up ever - minus euphoria. Think back to when you have come up super-hard on MDMA: there is a moment when you just feel overwhelmed as everything kicks in. I imagine it would be like that until you died.

I would advise against this, as 're-dosing' and excessively high doses can contribute to the loss of magic *trollface*
 
happytoking said:
In a TV show someone tried to kill themselves with ecstasy. In a scenario where it isn't bunk shit and actual mdma contents, would the person feel good before things went downhill? Like taking 15-20 pills at once. Sorry if it isn't enough to start a brand new thread, anyone who I should message for further questions? I have tried searching the web but found nothing :/
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MDMA is relatively safe in overdoses.. here is some actual information on it, however

The LD50 of MDMA is 80mg/kg of bodyweight. (The LD50 is the dose at which half the experimental subjects died). So if you weigh 70kg, you would need to take 5600mg to be in serious danger. This is at least 50 or 60 good pills.
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I think it would be near impossible to fatally overdose on MDMA. You would throw up or black out LONG before you got anywhere near 5 and a half grams in your system. MDMA deaths are almost always caused by outside factors, such as dehydration or exhaustion.
 
death isnt ever nice.... you think you drop molly or OD on heroin it would be walk in the park its not,its purest form of terror,theres no escape
 
I would imagine an actual MDMA overdose to be one of the worst things imaginable.. just total loss of body function control, seizures, extreme overheating, foaming at the mouth and intense vomitting.. you would basically just cook from the inside out until you died from Heart Failure most likely
 
Assuming somebody took enough MDMA, they would peak really fast then probably wish they didn't take so much before everything takes a nasty turn and blood levels go into the overdose range where serotonin syndrome sets in and the user would feel poisoned before foaming at the mouth, going into convulsions and dying. No doubt the user would vomit after taking such a large dose orally.
 
Folley said:
I think it would be near impossible to fatally overdose on MDMA. You would throw up or black out LONG before you got anywhere near 5 and a half grams in your system. MDMA deaths are almost always caused by outside factors, such as dehydration or exhaustion.
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That is bull shit people do die of doing just MDMA. How can dehydration or exhaustion be an outside factor? This site (http://thedea.org/technicalFAQ.html) has a LD50 for a single doses of 10-20mg/kg which sounds about right, LD50 of 80mg/kg is from rodents (100-300 mg/kg) and although you can often extrapolate to humans it is only a educated guess.
 
People who die are usually those who get adulterated product, have a CYP2D6 inhibition, are on medication or have some kind of underlying disorder. An average healthy adult would likely have to take grams upon grams before it would kill him from the effects alone.. although that's not to say they wouldn't cause irreparable damage long before that point.


As for the actual LD50, I don't know. 10mg/kg seems very low, perhaps if taken all at one time but it's going to be near impossible to take 1500mg of pure MDMA orally without your body expelling it. IV perhaps, but it would still be hard as hell to try and inject that much at once by yourself, and I don't know who would do it for you..
 
I think people give too much credit to MDMA, it is relatively safe but people do die on MDMA and mdma alone. And it doesn't always take 50-60 pills, actually rarely does. Dehydration and exhaustion isn't so much an outside factor, the thing causing the dehydration is the MDMA.
 
Well I have direct experience of OD-ing on mdma. I had an ex who after we broke tried to top himself. He took 50 pills (this is in Europe 8 years ago and okay the pills would be a bit speedy but relatively pure). He passed out, was taken to ER, spent a week in hospital and was then released.
It's very difficult to kill yourself with ecstasy.
 
It is not as difficult to lethally OD on pure MDMA as some of you folks are claiming...and what's more, as though you know all about it. 50, 60 pills...LOL. Those kinds of doses are not fatal with MDMA pills for reasons other than the safety of MDMA. Usually it has to do with absorption. Its easier to instigate a cardiovascular issue with 10 pills taken properly than with 50 swallowed at once with a giant gulp of Red Bull. Do some research on this issue and check thoroughly for reports of serious overdosing issues with people who either take pure powder or who at least chew up their pills and take each separately. How do I know this? An acquaintance of mine killed herself with SEVEN regular MDMA pills, chewed and swallowed one at a time and on an empty stomach - had I been there I woulda NEVER let that shit go down. Be safe and don't kid yourself about the safety of this drug. Relatively speaking I agree it is one of the safer, but that's provided you get pure unadulterated Shizze and have a level of respect. I have OD'd on MDMA twice badly enough to seizure and be rushed to the ER and reprimanded about my 200 BPM pulse and other potentially lethal effects.
 
the pure shit is very difficult to seriously OD on. But its different for everyone. Ive had friends take 1.5-2g at once with no consequences. Then again, I have seen people get into pretty bad shape off of .5g. most problems ive seen or had myself were from getting impure shit, or combinations with alcohol or other drugs.
 
synchrojet said:
It is not as difficult to lethally OD on pure MDMA as some of you folks are claiming...and what's more, as though you know all about it. 50, 60 pills...LOL. Those kinds of doses are not fatal with MDMA pills for reasons other than the safety of MDMA. Usually it has to do with absorption. Its easier to instigate a cardiovascular issue with 10 pills taken properly than with 50 swallowed at once with a giant gulp of Red Bull. Do some research on this issue and check thoroughly for reports of serious overdosing issues with people who either take pure powder or who at least chew up their pills and take each separately. How do I know this? An acquaintance of mine killed herself with SEVEN regular MDMA pills, chewed and swallowed one at a time and on an empty stomach - had I been there I woulda NEVER let that shit go down. Be safe and don't kid yourself about the safety of this drug. Relatively speaking I agree it is one of the safer, but that's provided you get pure unadulterated Shizze and have a level of respect. I have OD'd on MDMA twice badly enough to seizure and be rushed to the ER and reprimanded about my 200 BPM pulse and other potentially lethal effects.
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It's such a interpersonal thing. I've taken well over '7 pills worth' and was nowhere near OD I can tell you that. It's down to whats in your pills and the individual. If you've got a dodgy ticker it's gonna do you in quicker....
 
Ya I couldn't even imagine the amount you would have take of good pills or pure molly to OD..unless its mixed with dxm or any other dangerous drug interaction..In which case would be horrible, I had took a dxm pill (unknowingly) at the Hudson (in socal) like 4 years ago after taking about 6 pills...worst experience of my life, I don't think ill ever forget the horrible feeling I felt inside
 
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