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Obviouslly, there won't be anything that fully replicates the MDMA experience, but is there anything that is similar to E effects, even if its considerably weaker, but is also significantly safer than E? High doses of ephedrine can feel similar, but that is also probably at least as dangerous if not more so. Looking for something that can be taken fairly often.
 
If it existed, you would know about it, because everybody would take it. Anything to get rid of the monday morning guilts. If your worried about the safety factor, research pre-load and post-load.

Peace ;)
 
Effexor

I had the same problem a few years ago, so I 'borrowed' a few Effexor of a friend who took them every day, and took 1 pill, and waited 2 hours for the awful side effects to wear off (nausia and non stop yawning for 30 minutes at the peak) and then we used to go to festivals, or street raves in the day, and drink lots of beer on them, and you would feel pretty damn good for the rest of the day - its not a pure E feeling but feels like you are drinking alcohol on 1 pill. Better than a kick in the head I say.

Effexor is an SNRI. It is a selective seratonin and noradrenaline reuptake inhibitor, and a mild dopamine reuptake inhibitor (cocaine is a strong dopamine reuptake inhibitor).

I found the side effects were very strong 1 hour after swalling the pill, but they fade away buy the 2 hour mark, and then you start drinking like a manic, because every drink gives you a 'whoosh' (high) and I have had amazing times at street raves when the whole crowd is yelling and screaming on buildups and I have felt like I am peaking.

You can find out more at www.mentalhealth.com which is a great site for mind alterning legal drugs.

The chemical name is Venlafaxine

Also I have tried drinking with Moclobemide which is an MAOI, which feels great when I drink on it, but the next day i feel shit and have blood pressure problems, and I think drinking alot on it is very bad for health from experience, and the internet sites I have read, like www.mentalhealth.com again
 
i find that sometimes low doses of mushrooms can give similar experiences -- without the hangover. i loooove it when that happens, it's even ebtter than the mdma feeling. but you just never know what effect the mushrooms are going to be... at least, i don't... sometimes a small dose just gives me a happy warm loving mdma like glow with more visuals... and other times the same dosis will launch me in an uncontrollably hard trip.
 
You might want a look here
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=99437&r=35

There is no real substitute for MDMA. A high dose of ephidrine would not be anywhere near as fun. Infact I'd find that torturous!
Taking SSRI's or MAOI's to get high isn't a terribly good idea either. They aren't recreational in nature.

If you are looking for another fun high that isn't E, then just browse around Drug Basics or Other Drugs for things that people enjoy.
 
I've said Mescaline in the past and others have debated me and said they find no similarities between the two. I personally find the experiences kinda similar. If you can get some give it a shot.
 
there are a few research chems (rcs) that give you an MDA like effect but not exactly. read up on erowid :)
 
Id have to go with the shrooms (though there is no real substitute), in low doses you can not stop smiling well I couldnt. Dont go for an all out trip just eat a few shrooms and kick back and relax.

Trippie J
 
funny you guys say shrooms, ive never ever had one experience with shrooms i could relate to any sort of an mdxx substance. interesting though :)

in the trip reports forum there is a thread started by whodeenie or something along that lines of a SN but he took high doses of neurontin and got an ecstasy like effect, do a simple search in that forum for neurontin and itll come up theres only like 2 threads on that drug in that forum. its one of the few well written trip reports ;)
 
2C-B with a little amphetamine works well but nothing compares to the MDMA experience and they are all serotonin or dopamine acting so if your worried about your health then this won't help.
 
A low dose of mushrooms will give an mdxx-like body buzz.

But I'd recommend stimulants + G.
 
housefreeeek said:
2C-B with a little amphetamine works well but nothing compares to the MDMA experience
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along those lines 2ci is very similar to mda. very erotic too.
 
Methylone and MBDB both bear some striking similarities to MDMA, but are nowhere near an "ecstasy substitute". There is no such thing (as you have acknowledged).
 
Shrooms all the way. I had an experience that made me feel as good if not better than MDMA. Definitely going to try and recreate it some time.
 
"funny you guys say shrooms, ive never ever had one experience with shrooms i could relate to any sort of an mdxx substance. interesting though"

Good call..I can really see no way that shrooms are like MDxx in any way, shape, or form, save a possible energy boost, just IMO..I would say lsd makes me much more euphoric than mushrooms could ever hope to, though it's experience is still far different than anything like MDxx..5-meo-Dipt gives you tactile sensations you could say feel like e's higher sensations, but it's other effects are totally different as well..As Crimson said, MBDB could get you close..as well as some rc's...but there is no exact substitute..
 
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