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Ecstasy/Pipe Induced Psychosis

thizzin' since 98

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So I'm approaching the 6 month mark since being 'piped' back in January, scrambling my brain, triggering psychosis, anxiety, and depression.

I've been to a therapist, neurologist, and psychiatrist, all with absolutely no success, no help, no answers to my questions...I had to explain what ecstasy was to the neurologist two days ago...I almost destroyed the waiting room, how in the world can I neurologist, not answer any questions, just leave me utterly dissatisfied and confused...I waited months to see this guy, he was the last person I was relying on to help me understand whats going on, and sadly failed.

I have absolutely no trust in any doctors now, I'm guessing a lot of these credentials are fake..

So I am turning to bluelight once again, for answers. Is a drug induced psychosis always long term? or will it fade? I notice my brain is on the constant verge of a panic attack, regardless of what I am doing, or being swamped with all kinds of weird thoughts, over analyzing, just doing some abnormal thinking, that kind of scares me sometimes.

My memory is still almost non-existent...I feel like I am getting slower each day..help? :/
 
So I'm approaching the 6 month mark since being 'piped' back in January, scrambling my brain, triggering psychosis, anxiety, and depression.

I've been to a therapist, neurologist, and psychiatrist, all with absolutely no success, no help, no answers to my questions...I had to explain what ecstasy was to the neurologist two days ago...I almost destroyed the waiting room, how in the world can I neurologist, not answer any questions, just leave me utterly dissatisfied and confused...I waited months to see this guy, he was the last person I was relying on to help me understand whats going on, and sadly failed.

I have absolutely no trust in any doctors now, I'm guessing a lot of these credentials are fake..

So I am turning to bluelight once again, for answers. Is a drug induced psychosis always long term? or will it fade? I notice my brain is on the constant verge of a panic attack, regardless of what I am doing, or being swamped with all kinds of weird thoughts, over analyzing, just doing some abnormal thinking, that kind of scares me sometimes.

My memory is still almost non-existent...I feel like I am getting slower each day..help? :/

You seem to have consulted many experts on this issue.

However, I think what can be concluded here is that modern medicine does not come close to fully comprehending the brain, how it works, and the pharmocology behind the effects drugs have on it.

It sounds like you may have developed a generalized anxiety disorder. Have you always been an anxious person? Is it possible you may have only noticed it afterwards? Possibly from an increased state of anxiety that was induce, which may have lead to overthinking something that has always been there?

It really sounds like you're just freaking out to me. Like a benzo might calm you down...

You might wanna try taking piracetam daily. I would try 800 mg 3x a day for a month and see where that gets you. Piracetam is a great chemical that enhance nervous functions; it should help with the memory loss, and to some extent any other neurological / mental problems you may be suffering, and has almost 0 side effects / dependence.

I would definately start the piracetam ASAP, and talk to a doctor about maybe getting you on a benzo to treat the anxiety.
 
Man I think you are thinking about it too much. I remember reading your posts last time and I still say that getting a piperazine pill one time will NOT do this to you. Obviously you have some underlying issues that have came to life after your use of MDMA or MDMA-like chemicals.

Are you sure you are in psychosis? Even if you were, the chances of you still being in that state are minimal.. slim to none. What effects are you feeling? What are you thinking about? What are you seeing/hearing? I have been in psychosis and I can tell you that no doctor in their right mind would allow me to walk out of their office without getting me some serious help.

How old are you? Judging by your handle name I would think older, but the way you seem to talk about MDMA I think you might be pretty young. If you are young, there is lots of time to get better.

I developed GAD after my MDMA abuse and though I didn't think about it at the time, I attribute it to me my anxiety problems. Telling the OP to get a benzo prescription is stupid and frankly ridiculous that somebody who seems to know a lot about drugs to suggest (Severely Etarded).

Attempting to better a problem that one chemical has caused with ANOTHER chemical is not smart, especially because of how good benzos feel when taking to help with MDMA abuse. It feels better than anything, and is probably the main reason I got hooked on them. Though they feel good, it is only short term relief and will do nothing but prolong the pain and suffering that the OP is feeling right now.

Good luck to you bro.
 
I believe I'll start piracetam, what's a good site to get a decent supply, for a decent price? I've seen multiple sites, selling at different prices, some seem to be over charging for a smaller amount, is there a reason for this?

Also, I am 18 years old, going on 19, I believe I may have had very minimal anxiety before drug use, never experienced a panic attack, the only thing I would have is some butterfly's when under a stressful situation, nothing major at all.

And now I have full blown panic attacks, so intense I start to lose vision, hearing, my entire body goes numb, and I am on the verge of calling for an ambulance because I think I am dying, all completely at random.

I feel very blah, all the time, I just want to stay inside and do nothing but play video games and eat junk food, when I do go out, things just feel so different, the air, the sky, life, how everything works, seems so out of place, I feel like i've lost myself.

I notice my mind will sometimes start going crazy, talking to myself in my head, why do people breathe, where is this world going, why is this called this, why does this work like this.

I found myself analyzing myself, almost in third person, like I'm watching myself type this as we speak, why am I typing, whats going on in this persons life, who is reading this, what do they look like...

just little psychotic thoughts like I stated above. everything is 100% different then it was 6 months ago.

I go riding on this nice warm summer nights, with my dad in his mustang with the top down, and I just feel numb, the wind doesnt feel nice, I cant enjoy the music, the people walking the streets, im just waiting to go home :/ It feels like im behind a glass window sometimes...

I have constant butterflies, from the minute I wake up, till I go to bed. Feels like im constantly struggling with myself, to not go into panic mode.
 
Also, my brain just feel soo empty, no thoughts really besides whatever I am paying attention to, no memory, just empty, but I still fully function, can drive, hold conversations, answer questions, and am pretty witty.
 
Sounds to me like you have a combination of anxiety and depression (possibly severe depression by the sounds of it). That doesn't mean that these things are forever! People go through this stuff all the time. If you didn't have these feelings before this then I wouldn't worry too much about it, just know it WILL pass.

MDMA doesn't change you forever, I can attest to that. I abused MDMA heavily and experienced some rough times, but they got better with time. You are not in psychosis man. When I was in a state of psychosis I heard voices, saw people that weren't there, thought everybody was after me (the government, the police, my friends), etc.

You need to keep up with exercise and a healthy diet. More importantly, healthy thoughts. Just remember this will pass. Honestly I would stop posting on bluelight about this because there is so many reports that sound like yours that you may be thinking it will never end. IT ENDS, trust me.
 
I feel very blah, all the time, I just want to stay inside and do nothing but play video games and eat junk food, when I do go out, things just feel so different, the air, the sky, life, how everything works, seems so out of place, I feel like i've lost myself.
^^ This is bad bro. It is only perpetuating your problems!

Sunlight stimulates serotonin production. Depression has been linked to places without sunlight... It's summer time, 15 hour days! Go outside! Even in the shade, on a sunny day, you're getting shitloads of sunlight going through your eyes into your brain.

EXERCISE!!! I Cannot emphasize how important cardiovascular exercise is for your MENTAL HEALTH. Your brain relies on blood-flow! Make it flow the best it can.

EAT HEALTHY! Have some dark greens! Spinach, mustard greens, collard greens. Onions, carrots. potatoes... Actually, if you want you can eat beans. I think beans, especially pintos are one of the most healthy foods ever. Eat fish. Red meat is good too, but try to eat organic / natural meats vs steroid / antibiotic crap (like wal-mart meats--eww)


The last, and least important (out of these) is the piracetam. You can score some cheaply on ebay.

Here's a 240 x 800mg capsule box for $21+$5S&H
^^ Take 1 3 x a day, it takes awhile to build up in your system. We can't be 100% it will help, but it has potential, and certainly can't hurt.


This should make your depression and anxiety start to improve; the symptoms you described are classic depression and generalized anxiety disorder / panic attacks. Your memory etc should improve also. Basically all the negative symptoms you are describing sound like they could be caused and fixed by living an unhealthy / healthy lifestyle.

So try to spend your days outside exercising (it's hot, so stay in shaded areas, drink water as you sweat, etc.). Just 30 mins a day helps! And eat healthy. start on piracetam. I would almost guarantee this will help. After a couple months, you should see an improvement.

You may want to consider seeing a psychatrist if your anxiety isn't at a controllable level to see about getting medicated. But I would give a healthy lifestyle a shot, first, then you will at least have a physically healthy mind to work off of.
 
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I have had the unfortunate opportunity in going through a drug induced physcosis - it was never after a single use of anything and was always an accumulation of several days / weeks abuse.

What did you take / how many pills etc - had you had problems previously or was this out of the blue? There is a chance that your experience has brought to the surface a once hidden mental problem so if thats the case it could be permanent or need treatment to control. It could be that your simply overthinking the expereince and making matters worse.

Would you explain your experience to me - what where you thinking / feeling and for how long did it last / how did you react?

It took me several months to get back to normal after my experience - Every couple of weeks I felt that little bit better.
 
I've had my fun with ecstasy and have had 2 experiences with pipes. The first time left me with a knife-sharp feeling migraine and sleepless for about a month but eventually faded away. Second time only lasted a day where I hallucinated, vomited and lost all weakness in body for about 24 hrs. To say the least pipes effect people differently and can be something you really don't want to experience. However the effects should not be long term. Let's start with what your experiencing is all in your mind and if you want to "feel" normal again your going to have to start thinking normal. I've experienced psychosis during a lsd trip, i can assure you you're not insane. Obviously eating right, exercising, sleep and being social is going to be your best bet. You can explore benzo's for anxiety they work quite well but would only recommend them if your seriously having panic attacks and noticeable anxiety over things you shouldnt be. As for depression I dont have much knowledge on anti-depressants but SSRI's are out there. Marijuana can be source to rest the mind if you feel if its racing. What abnormal kind of thinking has been bothering you?
 
if you guys take a look at my handful of previous threads, you should be able to find out the answers to all your questions...bluelight is pretty much the place where I have blogged all my feelings and experiences.

I rolled for 18 hours after taking one blue rolex, it floored me, i felt out of my body, like an extreme panic attack out of the blue, my body was numb, tingling, I was pacing out in the front yard, crying, I threw up blue and green chunks 8 times, I would lay down, my eyes were shaking, i couldnt feel my face or teeth, i would walk back to the bathroom, throw up a bucket of green and blue, lay back down, I could feel the drugs swarming through my body...

For 7 days after that, I would sit in my car and cry, cry, cry, hysterically for no reason. My mind was completely empty, but I would cry more then ever.

Now when I go out, go to the store, go do anything, everything just feels so unfamiliar, i have killer anxiety, it like something in my brain got erased. Ive forgotten what normal feels like. That's one of my biggest struggles, if I calm my anxiety with Xanax, I sit, watch tv, and I talk to myself in my head, is this what normal is? Im just so confused.

My other threads have more details.
 
I consumed 2-3 pills a night, almost every weekend for 4 months, sometimes rolling 3 days straight, on 9 pills.

Nothing every changed, I always felt great the next day...absolutely noticed no changes in anxiety, never ever had a bad experience rolling, every time was better then the next.

Then boom, went to see Caffeine, took a blue rolex, and my life has never been the same...
 
Damn man that is kinda worrying for me... I roll just about every weekend, the longest Ive waited in between rolls is 2 weeks lately, been like this since oh say January? I never get pipes, but Ive been getting speed pills a lot lately...

What is your total bomb count? Im somewhere in the 75-100 range, maybe more
 
Damn man that is kinda worrying for me... I roll just about every weekend, the longest Ive waited in between rolls is 2 weeks lately, been like this since oh say January? I never get pipes, but Ive been getting speed pills a lot lately...

What is your total bomb count? Im somewhere in the 75-100 range, maybe more

I'd slow down man. I was around the same as you, but after a while it catches up to you. It took me my 75-100 range to feel the effects, so I would stop for a while now if I was you. Honestly if you stop you will still most likely feel some side effects.
 
I'd slow down man. I was around the same as you, but after a while it catches up to you. It took me my 75-100 range to feel the effects, so I would stop for a while now if I was you. Honestly if you stop you will still most likely feel some side effects.

Well I mean there is a week in between, wouldnt I notice any ill effects then?
But yeah I know... god I love rolling though haha... Im getting a constant hook up on lucy soon so maybe Ill switch to doing that every week

And holy shit only 40 pills? Ive probably done more than that in the past month or two..
 
Honestly I wouldn't be so sure that it was the blue rolex that did this to you. You have been abusing MDMA for a while and your symptoms are all classic for MDMA abuse. The absolute max you should be taking MDMA is once a month because that's about how long it takes your brain and body to recover. You were taking 60+ pills a month for 4 months straight, and now you're feeling all the damage you have done to yourself. What you need to do is take care of yourself, try to be as healthy as possible, and most importantly stop any and all drug use. Severely etarded gave you excellent advice, and I bet that if you listened to it you would start seeing progress. It could take a very long time, but chances are you will get better. Good luck.
 
Honestly I wouldn't be so sure that it was the blue rolex that did this to you. You have been abusing MDMA for a while and your symptoms are all classic for MDMA abuse. The absolute max you should be taking MDMA is once a month because that's about how long it takes your brain and body to recover. You were taking 60+ pills a month for 4 months straight, and now you're feeling all the damage you have done to yourself. What you need to do is take care of yourself, try to be as healthy as possible, and most importantly stop any and all drug use. Severely etarded gave you excellent advice, and I bet that if you listened to it you would start seeing progress. It could take a very long time, but chances are you will get better. Good luck.

^This.

I was having etard symptoms for years, never noticed until I looked for them... Maybe you never looked for symptoms until you got piped?

Heed the words I spoke in my previous post.
 
DUDE, you've convinced yourself you are nuts. thats the problem. you've developed this habit, only you can convince yourself to stop it.
 
Thizzin,

I feel your pain.
Enough to take a minute to write to you at a very early hour in the morning.

I won't try to convince you that you are just 'thinking' about it too much.
I won't try to blame it on anything except what you have indicated - a bad pill.
But I must point out a VERY basic point - your previous MDMA use undoubtedly played a role in this catastrophic night. Without so much prior exposure, your serotonin system would have been more capable of handling it. The reaserch is pretty clear - repeated exposure, especially re-dosing or dosing multiple days in a row, reliably causes damage to the serotonin network.

I will relate to you on the doctor issue.
After sifting for several months through medical research I realized that going to a doctor would be stupid. That doesn't mean I didn't visit two of them early on, but I certainly never got my hopes up that they would be able to do a DAMN thing.

I did get a few other possible issues ruled out. That's what they are good for.
A neurologist with experience with MDMA is really the only person that can give you the information you want. You are NOT the first patient to be extremely frustrated when a neurologist turned out to be impotent in the face of a horrifying condition. Try to understand that neurology is in it infancy.

I will try, in my tired state, to convey some hope again.
The odds are overwhelmingly in your favor that you will make a clinical recovery. That simply means that your anxiety/depression will one day fade into the background...
Even heavy long term users tend to recover within 1-1.5 years.
I have seen only rare examples of those that go beyond the 2 year mark.

Research does suggest that there are subtle cognitive deficits and there is a long-term/permanent reduction in neuro endocrine response to MDMA or other serotonin antagonists. The frontal lobes, especially the prefrontal cortex, will never regain the original innervation seen.

BUT, if you look you will see that there IS real re-innervation, even in cortical regions. It takes a LONG time, but it does happen. I fucking promise you!

Re-read that statement several times and believe it.

Most of the literature on MDMA agrees on this - MDMA causes a reorganization of the ascending axons of the serotonin network.

I want you to focus on the word 'reorganize'.
It doesn't sound like a linear process, does it?

Do you think your old axons are just going to pop up in their original places?
Of course not.

Remember that the whole serotonin network starts in the rear of the brain. It crawls forward from the brain stem with branches growing thinner towards the face. The PFC in particular is not gifted with the nerve body itself, only the axons or extensions from the cell body nearby.

Somehow this advanced system has got to crawl its way forward through your brain. In a non-linear fashion.

Perhaps as recovery progresses certain parts of the existing network are sacrificed! Why not? It is 'reorganizing' its 'ascending' projections...

Maybe certain mental functions don't just get better as time goes on. Maybe some of them have to get WORSE before they can improve. This is real food for thought.

Ok, so you are at six months.
That's about when I started feeling good enough to stop taking the Piracetam.
Let me tell you, it WILL make a difference.
But it is NOT a cure.

I recommend a few things if you are going to try it.
Take it with fish oil, lots of it, and choline. Lecithin is a GREAT source of choline.
These supplements will work together very nicely.
Also, cycle on and OFF the Piracetam. Don't just decide to take it for the rest of your life. You will feel a MAJOR improvement, but then it plateaus. You will feel pretty normal for a while. This is because it will make your neurotransmitters flow a lot more around the brain. However....

It is like a pause button.
A very important one for a desperate person, but a pause button nonetheless.
It will NOT stop the 'reorganization' that needs to happen.
It will NOT restore the original innervation patterns.

But when you feel amazing from taking it, consider it a real sign of hope that you WILL one day experience joy again.
Then, after a few weeks - face the music and taper off of it.
You have to remember this advice - it is not going to fix you, but you might think it will. Anything that makes you feel 90% better overnight is NOT a cure. Are you with me?

Not only do I recommend cycling on and off that stuff, but there is NO need to take the doses recommended on the bottle! None.
I only needed a fourth of a single pill at MOST per day.
Very small amounts will make a big difference, but it will take a day or so for it to take full effect that way.

Warning - there is anxiety from this transition. It is different than what you are used to. Be prepared for it and warn those around you. It may take several hours to get through it, but when you do you will coast from there. It is really amazing stuff. It allowed me to start eating solid food after four weeks of wasting away...

Now, diet is more important than you realize, my friend.
You have NO business eating JUNK food. At all. None. Stop it...

You need to focus on proteins of all kinds. That means every meat you can think of, eggs, milk, cottage cheese, and LOTS of fish. You need to be getting a variety of these proteins, which contain critical amino acids which are building supplies for the brain, EVERY DAY.

Even if you insist on eating crap too, you absolutely MUST keep a variety of proteins. Ask yourself EVERY day if you have had any.

Now, bananas are your friend. Seriously.
They will help burn calories, they supply b-vitamins which help create neurotransmitters, AND they contain serotonin! Believe me, I eat a goddamn banana every day. Sometimes TWO.

Finally, the best advice I can give you, even above diet.
I'm not the only one saying it either - EXERCISE.
There is NO choice on this one.

Some days I only lift for 10 minutes, but it ALWAYS helps.
After 2 or 3 days in a row - OH MY GOD. I feel fucking incredible.
My symptoms seem to stop altogether. My libido goes up. My emotions settle down. When I stop working out after a 10 day stretch just to heal...I always start to suffer again.

Exercise saved me from the worst of this hell, and it continues to save me now after 8 months. I really don't know how I could have made it without it. If you haven't tried it yet, you need to.

Exercise actually does an incredible thing to the brain.
In addition to helping generate neurotransmitters like dopamine...
Working out increases a specific protein in the brain called BDNF.
Brain derived neutrophic factor is injected into several key regions - including the cortex where most of your suffering is taking place.

This BDNF will stimulate the release of STEM CELLS.
You understand what that means, right?
Certain brain cells can be replaced.
Pushing stem cells into the brain can only help this process.

More than this, BDNF causes a dramatic response by serotonin axons!
They resprout and enjoy increased plasticity due to BDNF.
Not all resprouting is permanent - but it is REAL.
You will feel it, I promise.
It will bring great relief and it speeds up the whole journey, my friend.

Working out will have more value than the damn piracetam.
More than diet...almost more than sleep!
Exercise is your only salvation, so its time to get fit.
You have more reason to do it than ANY one you have ever met. Trust that.

Now is the part where I tell you that I am doing well.
At month six I'm pretty sure I had a stroke. Not a major one, but a stroke nonetheless. The next few days brought an errie type of clarity that is hard to describe.

My head-pressure and occasional brain-zaps have continued, but I am now 2 months off the Piracetam, and I am feeling better than I EVER have without it.
In fact, I am starting to have some of the positive bodily sensations that only the piracetam could bring me before...

Like hot flashes...and sensitivity on the palms of my hands and feet. Not to mention my scalp....and my equipment.

These positive bodily sensations are always accompanied by great emotions and clarity of mind. But they do not persist for more than a few hours.

Then the cycle begins again.
The brain is being re-wired, and it will takes it time.

If you must obsess, find a way to make it productive. Start reading books and learning new things. Find a good book by a neurologist and try real hard to understand. I like to type - I find that running words through my head focuses the energy/anxiety. It has always helped.

And read through some of my old posts if you want a lot more information.
There is quite a lot a long posts if you want them.

But exercise, BDNF, sleep, and good diet/supplements are always my recommendations.

Soon life will start getting a lot easier, I promise.
But it IS a cycle, so it will get worse too.
Expect it and do some damn pushups.

And come back and keep us updated.
Progress is important for others. You never know who will read your experience and when. Make sure to include the full progression of the recovery.

PM me if you want to.
I'm going to sleep after a long night of sex with my wife!
If that isn't a sing of something to live for, I don't know what is...
 
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