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Ecstasy impurity leads to designer drug rise

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I know this isn't 'news' to anyone on here, and it can be merged with the bzp pills thread, but thought some people might be interested to see:

Ecstasy impurity leads to designer drug rise

As ecstasy use in Australia falls, experts are warning that the use of dangerous designer synthetic drugs, which can be made legally, may begin to rise.

A new study has found ecstasy use in Australia and internationally is gradually dropping, largely due to a decrease in the purity of the drug, which makes it less effective, consequently denying users bang for their buck.

Professor Michael Farrell, who led the University of New South Wales National Drug and Alcohol Research Centre study, says 56 per cent of the 700 people surveyed reported a significant drop in the drug's purity.

He says that figure is up from 9 per cent of users who reported the same thing in 2009.

"People stop using when [the drugs] don't deliver the effects that they want from them and they'll spend their money on something else," he said.

"That's particularly true if they're regular users."

The study also found 16 per cent of those surveyed are using synthetic drugs such as mephedrone, and Professor Farrell is warning their use needs to be monitored.

Synthetic drugs are often manufactured to have similar effects to ecstasy and are given street names such as "miaow" or "bubbles".

Professor Farrell says although there is no evidence that synthetic drug use in Australia has risen considerably, certain forms of it can be extremely dangerous.

"Methamphetamine is a synthetic drug that's derived from plant products and it's certainly more dangerous than ecstasy," he said.

"It's more addictive, [causes] more mental health problems and is more likely to be injected and smoked.

"We've had quite a bit of experience with meth over the years and it's a very problematic drug."

Matthew Frei, head of clinical services at Eastern Health Turning Point Alcohol and Drug Centre, says the problem with synthetic drugs is that many strands have been available semi-legally, making it much easier for them to slip through legal loopholes.

"There are companies who sell precursors to drugs, so drugs that aren't active, but just need slight modification to become active drugs," he said.

"There's a lot scope for people to be tricky and ingenious about how these drugs are marketed.

"With the internet you have a system of global distribution and a very conscious and savvy consumer. It's will always be very hard for law enforcement in a borderless world with the internet to keep up with this."

Although some precursors like mephedrone are now illegal in Australia and other countries, Mr Frei says there are many others which are still legal, meaning the drugs made from them are more widely-available.

"Drugs like mephedrone or piperazines were created to be similar to ecstasy but were sold legally because they were structurally different," he said.

"There are... various other legal highs on the market that are yet to be made illegal.

"The law is constantly trying to catch up with how to respond to these drugs that as time goes on, more will be discovered and developed and more will leak into the illicit drugs market."

Severe side-effects

Mr Frei says although some synthetic drugs are reported to be weaker, it means people take more of them, leading to high toxicity and in some cases severe mental health problems.

"Certainly the harms and illnesses associated with these drugs (and other stimulant drugs) is very often psychiatric; so a paranoid state that can be transient, or can be part of an underlying paranoid condition that's been aggravated by the drug," he said.

"Drugs that cause stimulation often cause a crash, so people are going to be susceptible to depression and they could be at risk of harming themselves.

"We have seen people in treatment who after a period of substance abuse have attempted to hurt themselves, or have become toxic and psychotic.

"They have delusions that their houses are being bugged, they're being followed, other quite significant delusions that bugs have been put in their bodies, or they have some sort of worm infestation."

Professor Farrell says although the market in Australia is relatively small at the moment, it is important studies like his are used to help detect problems early so authorities can take action before the problem gets out of hand.

"They are drugs that are produced and marketed within a window where it's possible to say they're legal and make some money over a short period of time and then get out of there," he said.

"They usually get trendy sort of names... and are sold as plant food on the internet and labelled as 'not fit for human consumption'.

"But it's clear that the people buying them know exactly what they are.

"Young people need to be aware that these different substances have their own dangers and health effects."
 
Unfortunately I don't think MDMA will ever be made legal anywhere in the world. The government just doesn't get it do they. Drug users will always move on to whatever else is available. Make the drugs less dangerous legal, tax those drugs and put them into control of government. There will be less criminals, less harm to users, less people in jails and more money for the government. Fucken idiots you say??? Fucken oath.
 
Unfortunately I don't think MDMA will ever be made legal anywhere in the world. The government just doesn't get it do they. Drug users will always move on to whatever else is available. Make the drugs less dangerous legal, tax those drugs and put them into control of government. There will be less criminals, less harm to users, less people in jails and more money for the government. Fucken idiots you say??? Fucken oath.


Decriminalising personal use and possession it would be a start. This would allow pill testing in clubs etc... there are already countries around the world who have decriminalised possession of personal use amounts and have had positive outcomes, Portugal is one that comes to mind.

Maybe the nanny state that Australia is becoming needs to be reversed and good drug policy be put in place rather than the garbage, "just say no, all drugs are bad" policy
 
the 'upper' classes of Aus dont care. because they can all do good drugs and get away with it why should they care what quality us peasants have?
 
besides everyone jumping over to RCs like mephedrone and mdpv,the majority are switching mdma fot methamphetamine, including myself.

I know this story has been told ten fold on here, but the trouble is you can roll fri and sat night and maybe hurt a bit Tuesday,but your good for je rest of the week.
With meth ,your up all week end. Then monday morning you hit the pipe again just to go to work..it got me started on a vicious bender..

Pills in aus are a waste of time..which makes the highly available and consistant meth an inviting option that ends in tears...be warned all
 
I see RC's as the Frankenstein cousins of "real" drugs, some are incredibly good fun but in the end are only trying to mimic "real" drugs.

Australia is one of the most over regulated countries in the world, we are treated like children with too many laws and taxes, the politicians are stuck in the 50's with their ideas. They dont care if people are turning to meth or RC's because of the lack of "real" drugs,in their old fashioned views, this is a "win" for the war on drugs

If any positive changes regarding illicit drug use comes into fruitition in this world, I guarentee you Australia will be the last to join
 
If any positive changes regarding illicit drug use comes into fruitition in this world, I guarentee you Australia will be the last to join

Historically, this hasn't always been the case. In the 1980s, Australia was the progressive country - the first to bring in needle exchange to reduce HIV. And it worked!

If we could be the leaders in the 1980s, we can be the leader in the 2010s. As was said in another thread, people with reformists ideas have to educate themselves and make their way into positions of influence. Slowly, but surely, things have to change.
 
besides everyone jumping over to RCs like mephedrone and mdpv,the majority are switching mdma fot methamphetamine, including myself.

I know this story has been told ten fold on here, but the trouble is you can roll fri and sat night and maybe hurt a bit Tuesday,but your good for je rest of the week.
With meth ,your up all week end. Then monday morning you hit the pipe again just to go to work..it got me started on a vicious bender..

Pills in aus are a waste of time..which makes the highly available and consistant meth an inviting option that ends in tears...be warned all

this is true everyone i know that was into pills where they were worth eating has switched to gear and wont buy a pill anymore, and everyone that is buying these biccies full of RCs and eating 10+ a nite think its great, i think mdma with only be bought as molly in the future people are making to much money of these bunk biccies
 
besides everyone jumping over to RCs like mephedrone and mdpv,the majority are switching mdma fot methamphetamine, including myself.

I know this story has been told ten fold on here, but the trouble is you can roll fri and sat night and maybe hurt a bit Tuesday,but your good for je rest of the week.
With meth ,your up all week end. Then monday morning you hit the pipe again just to go to work..it got me started on a vicious bender..

Pills in aus are a waste of time..which makes the highly available and consistant meth an inviting option that ends in tears...be warned all

The high of meth is nothing compared to pills.... well the pills of 6-7 years ago... and 3 times the price
 
Decriminalising personal use and possession it would be a start. This would allow pill testing in clubs etc... there are already countries around the world who have decriminalised possession of personal use amounts and have had positive outcomes, Portugal is one that comes to mind.

Maybe the nanny state that Australia is becoming needs to be reversed and good drug policy be put in place rather than the garbage, "just say no, all drugs are bad" policy

so true mate. There seems more and more australians do feel the government is out of touch with society and we need change. I think our polictal system needs to be totally changed before we can buy some mdma at the pharmacy. We dont have people in power who always make descisions on what is best for auralia, but ratherwhat is better for the budget or polictal party, but they will always say decsisions made with autralia and australias in best intentions in mind...well thats probably the case in australia for next decade or so. I really feel the aussies born 50 years from now...
 
Unfortunately I don't think MDMA will ever be made legal anywhere in the world. The government just doesn't get it do they. Drug users will always move on to whatever else is available. Make the drugs less dangerous legal, tax those drugs and put them into control of government. There will be less criminals, less harm to users, less people in jails and more money for the government. Fucken idiots you say??? Fucken oath.

XEXACTLY the point take portugal for example they have decriminilised everything. yup everything. they have half the addiction rates more people are going to rehab and crime has gone way down. the world doesnt talk about that though very much. i mean i went on to have a go at meth because pills in nz are sooo rubbish so its def true. for the same price i had a way better night.

I think people should compare rc dangers to alcohol. rcs are actually really safe. its just without human studies the media creates all this unessary fear.
 
holland

just an update i recon holland has a good view on things. they tackle the hard drugs like coke and h but are really liberal towards mdma and cannabis which have a small impact on society as a whole. it should be looked at this way.
im not sure where rcs fit into this i guess they should all be treated with respect. but people should not be criminilzed for taking them.
 
besides everyone jumping over to RCs like mephedrone and mdpv,the majority are switching mdma fot methamphetamine, including myself.

I know this story has been told ten fold on here, but the trouble is you can roll fri and sat night and maybe hurt a bit Tuesday,but your good for je rest of the week.
With meth ,your up all week end. Then monday morning you hit the pipe again just to go to work..it got me started on a vicious bender..

Pills in aus are a waste of time..which makes the highly available and consistant meth an inviting option that ends in tears...be warned all

LOL this man speaks the truth!!

RCs have litterally destroyed the illicit drug market is Aus. (in a fucked way) for the 'users' but the 'suppliers' on the other hand are killin it! (profit wise)

Wish I was fuckn born in the early 80s! :!:X:p
 
^ Many people don't get into drugs until after their teens, which, from a harm minimisation POV, most would agree is a good thing ;)
 
I'm unbelievably grateful I'm at least old enough to have experienced 2 years or so of good MDMA times before everything went to shit. The new generation getting into the party scene have no idea what they're missing out on.
 
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