Ecstasy HR Question that I have no valid answer to

[Folley]

If its published on their site I might beleive it but without this until proven otherwise seems doubtful.

lol why would they put on their site that their tests don't work for shit? EZ Test is a pretty shitty company IMO..

You can sniff out clear spots or what ever but this is going to produce from time to time inacurate readings. There are no instructions for this. There is no suport for this. You are "winging" the test. By its very nature users are going to not understand all this and get "fooled" from time to time.

OK, true. But if you spend enough time on PR, you will learn what a reaction from a good pill looks like. None of the tests I have shown look like a good reaction... not even close.

This is what a good reaction looks like:
http://www.pillreports.com/index.php?page=display_pill&id=29808

Full black, the entire puddle. A pill testing "dark" and a pill testing black are two completely different things... there is obviously something wrong in Blah's reaction, if nothing else the red around the black indicates a methamphetamine cut



Reagents can be fooled, I'll agree with you there... but I think the chances of you being able to find a way for the common E Tard to test for 100% MDMA only is slim to, well none.

I mean, the only people that are going to actually run into this problem are the people who don't have a reliable source for MDMA, and if you tell them to test all their pills with fractional crystallization or silica chromatography... well first they're going to ask what the fuck your talking about, then they're going to tell you to fuck off...


If you can find a simple solution (one that's easy enough for anyone to do), that would be amazing, and I won't hinder you anymore... but until then the reagent is the best tool for any layperson who just wants to make sure their beans aren't bunk



if a pill tests ALL THE WAY black on a reagent, I wouldn't be too worried about it containing anything else at all, except maybe caffeine.





The pill testing Q&A part of the forum has some great info on the kits, as well as actually having a statement from EZ Test about the release of some new reagents.


This thread is the life saving reaction chart, get familiar with it.
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/...esults-for-stim-empathogen-2C-X-RC-s-amp-more


Check PR often, and go back through the past few years and look at all the reagent tests over the years... once you get familiar with how a good reaction should look, it would be pretty hard to get fooled by one of these nasty pills.... although I guess it could happen to someone, somewhere

 

[futura2012]

If you can find a simple solution (one that's easy enough for anyone to do), that would be amazing, and I won't hinder you anymore... but until then the reagent is the best tool for any layperson who just wants to make sure their beans aren't bunk

Reagents can be fooled, I'll agree with you there...

We got there in the end

I do get your point and its a valid one. Its a "work around" that to a point can sniff stuff out.

For now lets approach this with a new head space and see if a simple and practical solution can be figured out.

The first thing that springs to mind is an email to EZ moaning about this bunk pipe test. See if they can develop it in any way to id bzp and the piperazine famly.

Get off them an update of all the chemicals the tests will sniff out. Their wbsite is a joke.

From there evaluate what it wont sniff and tackle the problem from there. I will knock up an email tomorrow.

At this point no ideas should be dismissed as ridiculous as they may sound. The chromotography theory by sekio may spring off other ideas. I accept fractional distillation might be a little OTT for your average weekend raver but I am sure there is something that will reliably sniff a pipe. Just have to figure it out. Tomorrow I will also look up all the melting points and characteistics of pipes vs MDMA.

 

[Folley]

I don't mean to dismiss any theories, sorry.. but for the common ecstasy abuser (notice the AB), I'm thinking a reagent is going to stay the easiest way of testing things. Plus, if you got the full spectrum (Marquis, Mecke, Mandelin, Simons, Robadope) it's nearly impossible to fool all of them!


If EZ Test would actually come up with a good reagent to reliably test for piperazines that would be AMAZING. But IMO that company is pretty damn shitty lol... a lot of people get their reagents like a month or two after they order, or not even at all.. plus they sell those damn vials which are only good for one test... fucking rip off.

 

[patra]

Just curious Futura if you've had any progress in this? I'm surprised to learn that with all the piperazine that seems to have flooded so many parts of the market, that the test kits haven't adapted to help out. I'd certainly pay $50 or more on a kit that gives me peace of mind, to know I'll never be piped!

 

[futura2012]

Interesting question update.

There is a kit from EZ kits that supposedly tests for piperazine. However EZ have a very poor website and the customer service sucks so it is very difficult to tell how effective this might be. I cannot see any reason why it wouldnt work but some claim it gets false alarms with certain substances.

I have thought about this a bit more.

Here is one link that might interest you:

http://www.4shared.com/folder/AcHdXivg/Labs__Precursors.html

Check out Simple Melting Point Apparatus. MDMA has an MP of approx 150oC.

With a small investment this would be a great test for a pure sample of MDMA.

This could be used again and again and saves the user the expense and hassle of a test kit. It does have its limits but if you were to achieve a melt at 150oC this would be quite an effective test for sure.

You literally need x2 test tubes, a rubber stopper, an MP cappiliary and a thermometer.

For bath fluid they mean an oil with a very high boiling point. All in all this kit might cost you $10- $15


My other thoughts were identifying MDMA with a microscope. I dont know how effective this would be compared to other crystal structures? I also wondered if UV might identify certain cuts etc. I know for example LSD will illuminate under UV light.

MDMA will react with certain chemicals. I wondered if household chemicals could be utilised to create certain reactions.

Some of the stain devil brands have some very exotic chemicals that might react with mDMA in certain ways.

To figure it out you would have to experiment a little with a good sample of MDMA. Unfortunately once you have a nice batch of MDMA one tends not to want to waste it in this way.

Due to my own mental health problems unfortunately I dont experiment with or aquire MDMA samples anymore.

 

[Folley]

Due to my own mental health problems unfortunately I dont experiment with or aquire MDMA samples anymore.

Buy me some and I bet I could get all my friends to get together for some... erm... research..


With a full reagent kit (Marquis, Mecke, Mandelin, Simons and Ropadope as well), you can test for almost all cuts... meth, DXM, cathinones and even MDA or MDE.


For myself, a reagent kit and only buying pills that have been reported on plenty on PR is enough to know that I'll never take a substance I don't want to again.... crystal gets a bit more iffy, but I have full faith in my reagent testing abilities

 

[patra]

Thanks for the update!