Ecstasy, dehydration and seizure risks? Also, plenty questions.

[DFiber]

This past weekend was my 4th experience with ecstasy, and only the second GOOD experience. First one was alright, second one made me feel crazy, third one was magic, and this 4th one was intense. Have some questions about things that happened to me, and looking for some advice on some things as well. Used to be a stoner who loved electronic music, but didn't really have fun at raves because ecstasy never seemed to work for me. Love it now, but have allot of questions!

It was this past saturday, and I was with a group of friends that decided to roll at someones house as opposed to at a rave that was going on the same night. I was expecting this trip to be allot like the one I had had before; I was expecting to be all amped up and euphoric, overall just ready to go out and do stuff. Was totally wrong.

So vitamin C....well, it sounded legit. Preloaded with three of those daily C tablets about 2 hours before we took our rolls around 9pm, I decided to chew mine.The last time I had rolled, with the same pills, I was told that taking one of them had the same feeling as taking about 3 average rolls. That time I had taken one, and halfed another with a friend on the come down (stupid idea, didn't seem to do anything but prolong a shitty in-between) so I had 2 this time. After taking the first roll, we went outside to get some fresh air and take a few tokes to help with the nausea. After about a good 30 minutes, I felt my stomach was comfortable enough to handle a cigarette, and I knew it would kick it in good, as I was already feeling it a bit. Smoked a cigarette, and sure enough, there it was! Like a breath of fresh air, it kicked in like that and I was one happy muthafu, But then it just seemed to...fade away. It was really weird, I was rolling pretty good for about 5 minutes and it completely disappeared. It was weird, no matter what I did, I just couldn't get it to kick back in until I smoked another cigarette. After like an hour, one of my friends who had also preloaded with vitamin C complained about the same problem, and we went inside to take a couple of good bong hits to really get it going.

Question: Could the vitamin C have been causing the fading problem? The other time I had rolled, once it was kicked in, it was there for good. Not sure if this is just a mental thing, or a chemical thing.

So now I was expecting to get all amped and what not, since that was what happened the last time, but really...I just wanted to chill. I sort of just wanted to sit there and do nothing, just enjoy some music and some light shows and talk, I even felt a little tired. The first time I had rolled good, tired wasn't even in my vocabulary. I felt like I could do anything, I didn't even think about sleep until I was downing. I Thought it might have been the herb, since this stuff was some sleepy shit, but I had smoked way more last time and it did nothing to calm/relax/anything to me except make me a little...spacey, I guess.

Question: I hear pure MDMA is supposed to make you really relaxed, this is what I imagine it would have felt like. These pills were definitely cut with something else, but I don't know what. Is environment and mental state just as important as the contents of the pill when it comes to the sort of high you get from them?

Was rolling pretty good now, but ended up having to actually maintain the high with cigarettes, vicks, and music. Was still kind of dopey though, and wasn't really interested in doing anything besides listening to music. Of course, I would hang around my friends but I'd always have my headphones on and be in my own world. I finally just gave up and accepted that this was going to be a chilled out roll, and everything seemed to get better after that.

Question: Is it normal to have to maintain a roll?

So at about midnight I was peaking, and while it was pretty amazing, I wasn't social at all. I would follow my friends around and listen to music, not really engaging in conversation. I kind of felt incapable of talking, it was kind of irritating to me. At the same time, I kind of felt bad for not being social. I kept apologizing profusely, and they kept saying it was alright. Luckily, they were all chill and understood completely and left me alone. I still kind of felt guilty the whole time. I wanted my friends to have a good time, and I felt like I was being kind of a downer.

Question: Do some people normally do this? How do you feel about these sort of people?

Around 12:30AM I took my second roll and a few more bong rips. The bong rips were probably a bad idea. We went outside to smoke a cigarette 30 minutes later to kick them in fully, and it was pretty incredible. I was in a weird couch-lock blissful trance state on the grass, rocking back and forward with my eyes rolling back into my head. This eye rolling back thing hadn't happened to me before, but I've also heard that it's a side-effect of mdma. Was still ignoring my friends for the most part, which they were still very cool about. Aparrently, the whole night I was forgetting my lighter, cigarettes, and phone all over the house and they were being really cool about keeping track of them because at that point I wasn't even able. Went inside and took MORE bong rips. This is where my weird tweak session begins, and where most of my important questions come from.

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So around 2 am, I was peaking on my second roll, and still feeling the first one. I don't know if it was the weed, but it was pretty intense. Like squeezing myself and tearing up at some songs, breathing super heavy. While still completely non-social, I don't think I could have been social if I had wanted to. My communication skills were terrible, and I had a hard time understanding people. Like I would hear what they would say, but I wouldn't understand them. At this point, I had realized that I had hardly been hydrating the entire fucking night. All I could do was sip at water because, while I felt great, I knew I was close to vomiting. I settled down on couch in the living room, and began my tweak out sesh. It was at this time that the rave that night had ended, and a few people were coming back to the house to chill. Most of them were downing and exhausted, and I only knew a few of them. I have marked social anxiety disorder, so I always get a little on edge and nervous around people I don't know very well. Especially around people that look like douche-bags...and this was definitely a douche-bag crowd.

Question: If your stomach is so upset that you can't do anything more than sip at water without puking, what then?

So this is what really worries me. I decided to close my eyes and tweak to one of my favorite songs, I let my head lay backwards and my eyes roll back, then all of a sudden I started doing something weird, like...I wasn't doing it on purpose, I was just LETTING it happen. My whole body started to like jerk upwards, then it would fall back down and jerk upwards again. It was kind of a slow thing, but it felt really good to do and I was completely lost in the music. Then, all of a sudden, I put two and two together: eyes rolling backwards + weird random body movements...oh shit. At that point someone slapped my face and I...woke up, I guess. When my eyes came back down it kind of half felt like I had woken up from an e-hug or from a long sleep. One of my friends was standing over me, asking if I was OK and if I knew where I was and what not. Of course, I remembered everything but was still a little freaked out. Was also feeling really, reaaallllyyy fucking bad for tweaking out infront of these people I didn't know. I felt terrible for freaking them out, I felt terrible for embarrassing myself (some of them were laughing,) and I started to come down pretty fast.

Question: Wtf was that? I was aware I was doing it, so It's not like I completely blacked out, but I still had that weird black out feeling afterwards and am told that it looked really sketchy. Was that like...a pre-seizure or something? I know it had something to do with me not hydrating, mineralz n' shit. Also, how does it make you feel when you see people tweaking our like that?

Then I started to notice some strange physical symptoms. I could hardly do anything with my hands, it was hard for me to text or dig into my pocket for something specific. I was starting to get really confused about things, I even forgot who one of my friends was for a brief second. I was trying to sip as much water as I could without puking, and at the same time taking sips from one of my friends vitamin waters (mineralz n' shit)was VERY irritated with almost everyone and everything, vision was literally starting to blur. Not like drunk blur, but like...fucking blur. o.o

So, my friend and I got a ride home with a sober friend. I was really tired, and I felt like dozing off in the car. Everytime I tried to close my eyes and sleep, my eyes would roll to the back of my head and I would start doing that weird pre-seizure thing again. Luckily, my friend kept "waking me up" every time I did that. Got home and stayed awake an extra hour, sipping at fluids, resting. Was kind of sketched out about sleeping.

Question:What would have happened if my friend had not stopped me from "falling asleep"?

 

[Bearlove]

Honestly most of the things you describe are pretty normal .

The vitamin C wouldn't have had much impact on your 'roll' but I personally wouldn't take it just before popping, during a roll or on the comedown (it can make your tummy feel 'gassy' [depending on brand I suppose].

Clean MDMA does not automatically make you energetic (far from it normally) and wanting to just sit, listen to music and zone out is common. When I am with a person 'zoned out' as you describe I love it an I actually get a buzz from them for being so wasted (nothing to feel sorry about and you would not have been spoiling their time).

Obviously you were feeling a little bit uncomfortable and then when the extra new people arrived this didn't help your anxiety as 'set / setting' is one of the most important things when using most drugs. I know exactly what you mean about feeling like your floating, falling asleep and then sitting up quickly and then doing it again (most of us have probably done something like that when trashed - Your friend was wrong to have slapped you though. A gently shake and a double check that you were ok would have been much better for everyone involved.

The thing that does stand out was the way the first pill hit you (doesn't sound normal) and you should not have to work at maintaining a roll (probably all the vicks/smoke added to your sickness feeling) - were they tested? All the symptoms you describe sound like you either took a bit too much or took something that wasn't MDMA.

Puking and Dehydration - If you in a rave setting and dancing about and don't take on enough liquids you can be in serious trouble/die - the same way as if your sitting at home and drinking too much can land you in trouble. You should get a few different sports drinks (not energy drinks) - take a couple of sips of one every now and then (this keeps your salt levels up). If your puking all the time then you have to make the choice - sit it out, call an ambulance. If your puking includes sweating/high temperature etc then its time to call an ambulance. Try to drink room temperature water (cold water can just come straight back up) - do you like tea? Get your friend to make you a cup and sip that / if you can make some ginger tea that is brilliant for stopping sickness (slice up some ginger root and pour hot water on it).

If I see somebody tweaking out and enjoying it - I enjoy it with them, If I see somebody tweaking out and in a distressed state I would naturally be worried for them and do what I can to help them out. Take them away from the main crowd, get them out of the 'loop' of what they are doing and just talk to them - sometimes its easier to go along with them to a degree (if they are spaced out/paranoid about something).

When you were doing the pre- seizure thing you knew what you were doing? You were enjoying the sensation of floating/snapping back to normal etc? If your friend had not kept waking you up, you would have probably continued doing the rocking until you found a new sensation and did that until the drugs started to wear off.

Hope that helps, If I have missed anything just let me know.

SO - Test your gear, take less, give it an hour before you start to try and force the high/maintain the roll, be comfortable with who your using with and when your wasted, sit back and enjoy it. If your looking for a more energetic high then add some caffeine to your first drop, it can really help keeping you up off the floor/couch.

 

[DFiber]

Thanks for the reply!

None of us have tested the pills, but most of my friends who have some experience rolling say that it felt clean, and allot of them who have had meth bombs in the past have said that it felt nothing like it. Do you think the having to maintain the roll in the beginning had something to do with the vitamin C? The smoking probably didn't help. I'm a regular smoker, but two cigarettes will make me feel nauseated, and I went through a whole pack in like....8 hours.

As for the seizure thing, I was aware I was doing it, but I wasn't consciously doing it, and it kind of almost felt like a dream. I don't know, this was my second time rolling good and I wasn't sure what was normal and what wasn't. Was definitely not happy with the assholes laughing at me, but in hind sight, I think the weed made me really paranoid and since I was already emotional from the roll, my social anxiety disorder might have been exacerbated. I might not have been bothering anyone, but because of the disorder I over analyze things.

Another question, if I were at an event, could I sit down somewhere and tweak out without having to worry about security and the likes? I know it's a regional thing, but in your experience, will security mess with you if you look really high? I've never been rolling hard at a rave, only reeeallllyyy stoned (which sucked pretty badly.)

I was glad that my friends were helping me to remember my things, and keeping me from losing allot of my stuff, but do most people get annoyed when they have to roll with people who are just completely irresponsible? I tried keeping track of my shit, but it was somewhat difficult. I kind of felt like I had to be baby sat.

 

[Chesh]

if you're in the US i've heard a lot of people who haven't ever actually had real MDMA say that about pills and such. not saying it's the case with your lot but get a testing kit and read up about your pills on pillreports.

 

[DFiber]

Going to invest in a testing kit, because pill reports is kind of unreliable since I live in Hawaii. Have no idea where most of what I get comes from.

 

[Darksidesam]

Going to invest in a testing kit, because pill reports is kind of unreliable since I live in Hawaii. Have no idea where most of what I get comes from.

It will make you feel like a pr0 trust me.
Test kits are one of the most useful bit of kits in the whole damn scene!

 

[Tranced]

Question:What would have happened if my friend had not stopped me from "falling asleep"?

If your friend had not have stopped you from 'falling asleep' then you would have continued writhing in ecstasy and enjoying yourself I'd imagine.

This is the second time that I've seen a post of this nature on bluelight and I'm quite surprised considering how normal this effect of MDMA is considered in the UK.

It's just what happens when it hits you really hard. In the Northern UK we usually refer to it as being 'in a clip' or 'in a mess'.

I suggest explaining this to your friends and asking them to in future leave you alone, or possibly find better people to take MDMA with. Alternatively, just wait until it happens to them.

But really, surely if they're mature enough they should understand that you're just off your face and enjoying yourself. Words like 'tweaking out' or 'seizures' are definitely not going to help with this.

Just let them know that it's normal & quite fun and that if they do enough they'll definitely be seeing you there.

 

[Bearlove]

The vitamin C would not have messed up your roll but, that added to the amount of cigarettes you were smoking could have made you feel very sick. From what you describe you were just wasted, you were not having a seizure and you were not 'tweaking out' - the uncomfortable setting, assholes you were rolling with added to your overall confusion.

I would like to bet you that if you were sitting in a room of like minded people all wasted having fun etc then you would see many other people in the same state. Most of the after parties I've been too (most of the clubs actually) are full of people in the state your in - some are dancing about, some are sitting stuck to the floor a gibbering confused mess. Yes, being sick can happen for a lot of reason and it can spoil your fun but the easiest way is to just go with it. If your feeling sick in a party / club etc do not stress out over it - go and be sick, get it off your stomach and out of your mind.

As for being in that state in a 'Rave Setting' area depending it can be fine / have you thrown out of the venue - PLEASE though if your going to get in that state in a Rave setting, get some better mates to keep an eye on you.

 

[DFiber]

Thanks for the sound advice, everybody. I probably just overacted a little bit, was probably overly-paranoid. Most of the people I was rolling with were pretty cool, but those assholes definitely fucked my comedown up. Next time I'll just try not to worry and enjoy myself