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Ecstasy Cut With Speed?

oldkaw said:
Strip the methylenedioxy bridge off MDMA and you've got methamphetamine. Strip it off MDA and you've got amphetamine. The back bone of these drugs are amines.
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Right, but anyone with even the most basic knowledge of chemistry understands that simple changes can have humongous effects on the pharmacology and effects of psychoactive chemicals. MDMA is considered a psychedelic amphetamine & empathogen where as methamphetamine is not.

DOI is 2,5-Dimethoxy-4-iodoamphetamine, try comparing that one to regular old amphetamine. You'll be in for a long, long ride ;)
 
TearItDown said:
Yes we can read as well...MDMA and methamphetamine are very different drugs though. They are both in completely different classes, actually.

ektamine: On the east coast there are a lot of pills cut with adderall and caffeine. Some are cut with speed, but there are also some that are pressed with only speed for tweakers. Only eaten one speed cut roll in the past 2 years.
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Ya, the east coast seems to have a pretty different drug culture and supply then the west coast. I was just referring to California. Even here if you really and truly know the right people you can find decent pills, but then again if you know the right people why wouldn't you just buy MDMA? I enjoy the unadulterated MDMA experience most of the time. At least, unadulterated by other stimulants. I would hardly mind throwing a drop or two of LSD into the mix, or Ket, or good old herb.
 
ektamine said:
Ya, the east coast seems to have a pretty different drug culture and supply then the west coast. I was just referring to California. Even here if you really and truly know the right people you can find decent pills, but then again if you know the right people why wouldn't you just buy MDMA? I enjoy the unadulterated MDMA experience most of the time. At least, unadulterated by other stimulants. I would hardly mind throwing a drop or two of LSD into the mix, or Ket, or good old herb.
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I wish I knew someone crazy and awesome enough to sell pills dipped in lucy =)
 
TearItDown said:
I wish I knew someone crazy and awesome enough to sell pills dipped in lucy =)
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Haa, I didn't even realize I said it like that. I meant taking all those things separately, but right after one another. But ya, that would be even cooler.

It would be so easy to do with gel-capped MDMA, you could even store them for a little while w/o worrying about evaporation. I used to make 'magical invisible benzo caps' by dissolving phenazepam in 99% isopropyl alcohol, and then using a syringe to inject the IPA into empty gel caps, and then leave them under a fan until the IPA evaporated (99% IPA won't eat through the walls of a gel cap). You could essentially do the same thing with liquid L, and then just put the MDMA in to soak it up. Ahh the possibilities!

=D
 
Cali has the most legit MDMA in the country

I've been to some areas (big cities even) where MDMA comes around like once or twice a year and is basically dry the rest of the time
 
Gormur said:
Cali has the most legit MDMA in the country

I've been to some areas (big cities even) where MDMA comes around like once or twice a year and is basically dry the rest of the time
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Ahh, so thats why the rest of the country still takes pills. It all makes sense now =D

Guess its just one more way were spoiled.
 
Gormur said:
Cali has the most legit MDMA in the country

I've been to some areas (big cities even) where MDMA comes around like once or twice a year and is basically dry the rest of the time
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Yeah, nothing you said is true. lol And your post after this, I'm sure you've never had a pill dipped in LSD yourself.
 
Point was they are all psychostimulants. Don't need to be cut with speed to feel like you've taken a stimulant. While I have no experience with DOI, its grandfather compound, dimethoxy-methamphetamine, had a reputation in the press as having a very long duration too. Its just a stronger drug, and people got over amp'ed. At 1-5 mg. it lasts about the same as MDA. Marathon reputation was not really accurate.
 
oldkaw said:
Point was they are all psychostimulants. Don't need to be cut with speed to feel like you've taken a stimulant. While I have no experience with DOI, its grandfather compound, dimethoxy-methamphetamine, had a reputation in the press as having a very long duration too. Its just a stronger drug, and people got over amp'ed. At 1-5 mg. it lasts about the same as MDA. Marathon reputation was not really accurate.
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Right, but my point is... being that even though MDMA and Methamphetamine are both amphetamines, MDMA being a substituted amphetamine (which I don't think methamphetamine is, could be wrong), they feel VERY different. Yes they both cause stimulation, but most of the situations in which I would like to be intoxicated on MDMA, I would not want to be intoxicated on methamphetamine. And vice-versa.

LSD causes a great deal of stimulation as well, I'm sure if you wanted to you could call it an intensely psychedelic psychostimulant, but it has no similarity to methamphetamine what-so-ever.
 
Yea with MDMA the primary effects i experience are empathogenic then stimulatory, but the stimulation is rather felt as a slowing down of the mind into a kind of meditative state.. with MDA, even more calming and less stimulating - but more psychedelic & trance-like
 
mmajunkie said:
I think it is pretty uncommon most people make the mistake of thinking they have speed in their E when its usually BZP or another form of piperazine. Speed is much more expensive than something like piperazine to cut with. I myself have thot I had speed in my pills when it turned out after testing it was BZP.
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I have to agree with this...think I actually made the mistake recently of thinking a pill was cut with meth cause of the teeth grinding rapid heartbeat crackout it produced, but pretty sure it was BZP. The stuff hits me like a mild hit of meth without the high...just the crackout...ughh...hate BZP.

OP, if you're pill has just the right amount of amp, you should have a great time. Years back, a lot of the really popular pills were mdma high with a touch of amp to make you dance all night. The mitzubishi turbos are one of the most popular pills of all time. Why you think they were called turbos? ;)
 
The last rolls i ate contained TFMPP and BZP. All they did was make me tired and depressed.. ruined my fucking night and put me off rolls forever
 
MDMA and speed go very good together if its the right ratio. You want just enough speed to get some extra energy, then the rest should be enough MDMA to top everything off (a decent pill that is). The amount of speed that is put in those pills is most likely to be the amount of taking enough Adderall to get up and moving. Theres no real threat in having a little bit of speed in your pills. Your vitals will be the same.

The real problem is getting Piperazine cut pills. The last two pills I popped weren't even MDMA, they were almost pure TFMPP/BZP and I didn't even know it. I had migraines for a month straight after that, which is a known side effect of those Piperazines for lots of people, but not usually lasts as long as mine did. Thats the shit you should worry about. You can tell by its taste.

Also, I know this is off topic, but I personally LOVE LOVE LOVE a MDMA and MDA combo. PURE EUPHORIA on a whole other level. The first time I did this combo it had me tripping HARD for a good 9 hours. Has anybody ever tripped that long before? I know MDA lasts a little longer, but 9 hours? Thats not including all the weed I smoked to keep the roll alive. Both pills were popped at the same time, nothing was spaced out. Nevertheless, it was the best roll I've ever had.
 
^MDMA + MDA = hell yea!!!

I didn't have them in the same pill, but I had two separate presses each confirmed to be mdma and mda, so I mixed in the night and rolled for like 10 hours. Favorite combo of all time. As always, add a little k to make your day. ;-)
 
ThizzXTC said:
Also, I know this is off topic, but I personally LOVE LOVE LOVE a MDMA and MDA combo. PURE EUPHORIA on a whole other level. The first time I did this combo it had me tripping HARD for a good 9 hours. Has anybody ever tripped that long before? I know MDA lasts a little longer, but 9 hours? Thats not including all the weed I smoked to keep the roll alive. Both pills were popped at the same time, nothing was spaced out. Nevertheless, it was the best roll I've ever had.
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MDA by itself lasts about 6-7hrs ime
 
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