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Ecstacy vs. Opiates?

ganjacheerleader

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Ok so im VERY interested in trying beans. but im now hesitant due to the experince ive just had with snorting a single 30 mg oxycodone. If only that made me kinda sick, would beans be too intense?
 
Two completely different drugs, highs, experiences and uses.

Assuming you probably have a low opiate tolerance, 30mg oxy is a huge dose and is not surprising it made you sick.

MDMA won't make you sick if you take a reasonable amount (100mg or less for your first time) and follow common sense guidelines like drink water, take breaks, eat, etc.. Also, roll with someone who's rolled before, preferably using product from a batch that they've used from before and can vouch for.

Also, invest in a test kit to test your 'beans'. You want to be sure you're getting real MDMA and not pipes or something else.


Have a good time!!
 
There's almost no similarities between the two drugs. If that is the first drug you tried then I would understand the hesitation. Do some research on MDMA and then compare it to opiates and you will see the difference, and see if its worth giving it a try.
 
Not really any similarities. MDMA (even pure stuff) can cause an upset stomach especially during the come up. But eventually you are too high to care. Sometimes people throw up on the come up but then they feel better right after.
 
It is not uncommon to get sick from Oxy. I don't know anything about dosage as I've always steered clear of them (old room-mate had a real pill problem vicodin--->xanax--->oxy---->heroin). He certainly was vomiting on a daily basis from the oxy though.

It's possible you'll feel a little sick during the come up, but with a reasonable dose it's manageable. There's some great threads in the directory you should check out:)
 
I read your other thread but didn't respond cause I'm lazy. You did too much your first time for no tolerance. This is normal, and calls for a very uncomfortable feeling. Start with 10mg next time. Work your way up.

Can't really compare the two, as they are completely different. They both produce euphoria, but its like comparing apples to oranges. I highly recommend mdma, give it a chance.
 
I have considerable experience with opiates.

30mg of Oxy is crazy.
You took 3-5 times what was needed!

I never take more than 10mg, and even then I may feel sick.
5mg is my typical dose for a 3-4 hour buzz.
This requires a razor blade to dose correctly.

Even in correct doses, this molecule is a heavy-hitter.
It has a very strong body high, and it can cause numbness all over.
Nausea with hot flashes, maybe a mild headache, has also happened.

It can be very unpleasant, especially if you haven't eaten in a while.
Opiates are wonderful, but oxy should be used VERY sparingly.
A little goes a LOOOOONG way.

Oxycontin is given to the most serious patients - think dying of cancer or having surgery. The small pills are usually 20mg. The big ones can be 80-160!
Without a tolerance, the higher doses can be fatal!
They will fucking stop you from breathing.
That's why they are only given out by certain doctors to certain patients.
Be more careful next time.

Hydrocodone is much nicer, by the way.
It has a cleaner and more euphoric high - less anesthetizing.
And its much safer, even in higher doses. Just don't use on a regular basis, as it contains acetaminophen. Not good for the liver...

Tramadol is a weak opioid antagonist, but it is my favorite.
It is MUCH gentler, but it lasts ALL night....not just a few hours.
50-100 mg is normally great.

As with any opiate, regular use is a bad idea. Withdrawal can be a nightmare, so I never go beyond 2 days of use in a row. And if I have Oxy at all, i take the tiniest little fragments....definitely not 30mg! You might as well be taking goddamn morphine.
I just don't see the point of being incapacitated like that. Especially if you plan on having sex...

MDMA is the opposite direction, my friend.
Opiates are a sedating and mildly euphoric dopamine drug. (opiate receptors are a sub-class of dopamine).

MDMA releases massive amounts of cortisol, the stress hormone, through acting on your serotonin network.
Rather than sedation and anesthesia, you will experience rapid heart beat, a slow build-up of anxiety, and after the peak - exquisite tactile sensation along with unbelievable euphoria.

As a psychidelic drug, MDMA must be respected.
You have no excuse not to follow the advice on BL. Just look at a few of my posts on the subject, and you will realize how seriously some of us take it.

MDMA is likely to be among the most meaninful and shockingly amazing experiences of your lifetime. If you wait until the peak, about 2 hours after dosing, sex becomes something you can't even imagine.

The temptation to re-dose should be avoided, as this has been proven to contribute less additional 'high' but greater nerve damage in the brain.
Test you stuff and limit your dose to 150mg or less.

Drink electrolytes and watch your body temp. Skin flushing is normal, but core body temperature should closely paid attention to. Serious reactions to MDMA are almost ALWAYS effectively treated by rapid cooling techniques.

The rule of thumb is to wait 3 months in between uses.
MDMA disables the enzyme used to synthesize more serotonin for up to 3 months.
1 month is considered the minimum by most experienced users on BL.

Rolling two days in a row is a waste of a pill, and may cost you dearly.
MDMA recovery can be a LONG and difficult process. Some consider it among the most dangerous of drugs, because it can cause severely negative outcomes with relatively few doses.

Take care of yourself.
 
I wouldn't call 30mg of OC a ridiculously high dose by any means. Especially with the new formula if you are dissolving it into coca-cola for example, you most likely won't get all of the chemical. Regardless, opiates are not a good drug. They develop addiction quickly and IMO are just not rewarding enough for the struggle that goes along with it. Try MDMA if you like what you read about it, and wait a good amount of time in between doses like FBC said, 1-3 months.
 
I imagine opiates on the complete other side of the scale to MDMA, so being sick on 30mg of Oxy, doesn't mean you would be sick from MDMA.

If you can just get a good pill or two (advice from others / pillreports.com / testing kit) take one, when your comfortable take the second one if you got more than one (if you take the second just before your peaking, it apparently extends your peak) or I suppose if your feeling bold or if theyre not very strong you could take more at first to get fucked up, in a good way (the initial dose is very important, you never get higher than your first peak, I don't know why).

I'd advise the first option for a first time, especially if your worried about it.

If you take one, I'd strongly advise against saying "its not working" after 15 minutes if you feel nothing... Give it more time, though for me I'm probably peaking about 30-60 minutes after eating a pill.

I'm sure you'll be fine anyway, once you do it, you'll love it :D
Just make sure what you have is really MDMA, if you get piperazines, you'll know all about it.
 
Opiates are cns depressants.
The majority of drugs we currently know about in the massive amphetamine group have turned out to be stimulants.
Just because they are both referred to as drugs does not make them similar in effect.
 
Jesus, man...These are like two polar opposites, except for the fact they both make you feel good. Please don't fuck around with opiates....withdrawals is no freaking joke!!!

Opiates make you feel warm, cozy, content, and dull any pain you might have. Opiates can make you antisocial and are typically done alone.

MDMA make you feel stimulated (at certain times), orgasmic, tingly all over, a little trippy. MDMA for me is ALWAYS done with at least one other person if not a party.

TOTALLY DIFFERENT drugs with polar opposite effects.
 
Opiates are notorious for causing nausea/dizziness/vomiting in new users. MDMA can upset your stomach too, but in more of an "I need to poop right NOW" kind of way :)

Start with a half dose, don't combine with alcohol and stay cool throughout the experience. I take loperamide with my doses to prevent diarrhea. Ginger is also a godsend for nausea.
 
Either with moderate use will make your whole body feel pleasurable with warm rushes,

E will make you love everything and Be horny but give you a three day depression-over

Opiates will give you a godlike rush when IV'd, but rhan you've IV'd and thats bad for its own set of reasons (duh)

I would say opiates are better for semi regular use but E is probably more enjoyable for the once or twice a year you do use it. Opiates have huge risk of addition, so dont use more than 2 days in a row
 
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