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Ecstacy causes memory loss - newspaper article - comments please.....

oh somehow that reminds me - one of the guys at work go's to me today thanks for the lift home the other night and i said wtf? He gos yeah we had a coffee at about 4 and then you gave me a lift home. I still don't remember and i drove in this state. Oh well i'm still here.
 
Course it fucks you up.
My STM is screwd. My brother is completly fucked. I though I was having problems,jeeze!!
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I keep going to the cupboard to get a mug out, and just stand there, wondering what I was doing.
I went to pay for petrol the other day, gave the guy the money. Was waiting for change, he just stood there. Change please, I said. He laughed, and said you know how it is these days.Everybody is fucked.
Oh well, there will just be a generation of fuck heads out there.
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"5)All ecstasy users scored within the normal range in the tests ie THEIR RESULTS WERE NORMAL. Why are we assuming there is something wrong with people scoring NORMAL results?"
An agent can reduce your intelligence and/or memory and still leave you in the normal range.
Say someone with exceptional intelligence and recall ended up with only average intelligence and memory. Gets normal results? Yep. Damaged? Yep.
 
Yes, but in a study like this the assumption is being made that it is a representative sample of the population being tested, not just the super-intelligent pillheads. Otherwise the reults cannot be applied to the population as a whole.
Thus the expected results of the tests if there were no adverse effects from MDMA would be within a certain plus or minus range of the mean results, known as the 'normal' range.
In a small sample (with no knowledge of how the subjects had performed using the same tests prior to MDMA exposure) there can be no way of knowing whether this small group of subjects would have scored 'normal' but slightly lower scores than another small group of subjects if they had no exposure to MDMA.
The fact that weed-only subjects scored just as well as no-drug subjects on short-term memory tests when other studies have shown weed to have a detrimental effect on short-term memory skills shows how small variations can occur in small sample experiments and give misleading results.
Again, I should point out that this study may well be showing a genuine effect but the methods used do make it unconvincing to anyone who has had to design any experiments involving human psychophysics. My professors would have slapped me at uni if I had come up with something as open to various interpretations as this.
 
Sensationalism and paternalistic finger-waving by researchers and the media only serve to alienate those to whom we wish to provide information.
That quote is probably the best articulation of the harm reduction argument that I've ever heard.. that's a really REALLY good way of putting it.
and perhaps if the researchers could develop a study that is a bit more valid, the true dangers of drug use may be realised for a few more people.
For some people, there will NEVER be a valid study and they'll ignore almost anything provided to them. Altho thankfully I don't think that applies to many people here.
And with regards to the research, I think it's probably right, ecstacy does slightly diminish your memory and planning functions. We're most likely going to be a bit less intelligent in our later years. However, the one thing that does concern me is what caused what. Did ecstacy use cause memory problems, and thus less impetus to learn? Or did spending less time learning & reading, whatever, shape us as being somehow more likely to be an ecstacy user?
Honestly, I think it's time to acknowledge there's dangers in taking too many pills, it's not life threatening but abusing it now will fuck you up later. It's only a matter of time before a credible, realistic study, on people just like us, proves that beyond reasonable doubt.
 
Do any of these studies say anything about the permanency of the memory loss?
Does anyone have any thoughts on this?
Have people who feel their memories have been affected noticed improvements after a substantial period off the drug?
...I can deal with memory loss as long as it isn't permanent. Otherwise, I'll have to reconsider my use of e!
 
Do any of these studies say anything about the permanency of the memory loss?
Does anyone have any thoughts on this?
Have people who feel their memories have been affected noticed improvements after a substantial period off the drug?
...I can deal with memory loss as long as it isn't permanent. Otherwise, I'll have to reconsider my use of e!
 
An interesting tidbit of information.
Concentration Meditation exercises increase capacity to concentrate and focus.
Insight/Mindfulness Meditation exercises increase capacity to loosen associations and concentration.
This suggests there are preventative measures.
As I have noticed my meditative states are usually knocked out for two/three weeks after MDMA, indicating to me that some degree of damage is DEFINETLY present in MY MIND.
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Atleast it gets back to normal after a while.
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No offence guys, but I'm concerned about how everyone treats information thats negative to MDMA - I hate the way the media distorts the truth as much as anyone - but I think we are forgetting that MDMA is a DRUG that we know very LITLLE about!!
Unfortunately, due to the lack of research on this drug, we have to sit up and take notice of whatever research there is - and not just simply dismiss it as media tripe because it doesn't justify our drug use. Maybe the media's reporting is distorted, but we need to look into these studies for little insights into what potential dangers may lay ahead.
Lets go back to the way bleulight was intended, as an information source for the usage of MDMA - good or bad - and not as a stop off point to justify our drug use as good and harmless!
And as a matter of interest - if it were to be proved through extensive and realistic tests that MDMA is very damaging to the brain long term - how many would be taking it so lightly. Ignorance or lack of knowledge is not bliss, even more so for a drug that fucks with the chemical balance of your brain.
I'm not preaching not to take MDMA, I enjoy a good biccie as much as the next person - all I'm saying is be aware of all information and not just what you want to hear
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Anyway, enough from this old fart - I'm sure there's enough people that want to flame me now - but it needs to be said!
hastey
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I agree. Comparing people who I know take drugs (ok so not just pills but also lots of pot/speed whatever) to people who dont take drugs and maybe just drink... the people who take drugs have BAD MEMORIES!
My grandmother has a better memory than half the people I party with, shes 80.
Im not trying to be harsh or whatever... but I agree with Haste..! I didnt read the whole article or see it on TV, but it seems like they have actually used substianted facts and not just humbo jumbo.
To make comments such as "What did they just say" "whats my name" is pretty immature.
I dont think that it said, Es totally wipe out your memory and turn you into a goldfish.!
Bit of role-reversal here guys, dont sensationalize the argument
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It is justified pointing out the faults in the methodology, it is also very first year psyc
In a real life experimental situation things are not perfect, this is why scientists invented statistics, to test thier results. Admittedly a good statistician can manipulate the figures to what they want if they try hard enough, but why do that?
Working with such uncertain variables is hard, and most of the time papers are scrutinised by several collegues, what comes out and is actually published is generally good work.
 
It is justified pointing out the faults in the methodology, it is also very first year psyc
In a real life experimental situation things are not perfect, this is why scientists invented statistics, to test thier results. Admittedly a good statistician can manipulate the figures to what they want if they try hard enough, but why do that?
Working with such uncertain variables is hard, and most of the time papers are scrutinised by several collegues, what comes out and is actually published is generally good work.
 
Something i hear all the time when I'm out is.
"Do you remember ******"
"Er, I don't remember much these days."
What if i told you that you could have a drug that made you feel better than you could ever imagine? Would you have it?
The catch is it will give you brain damage that is possibly permanent, it can negatively affect your mood, your memory and some of the the organs in your body.
 
im with pinger and newtons third law
every action will have an opposite and equal reaction eg: come up->come down,
i will cherish the scattered reminants of my brain when i am elderly if i have them
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