hitomaro
Bluelighter
hey crow011, could you put a more indepth procedure? i use the ghetto technique posted a while back, yet i feel as if im getting less than desirable results! it would be much appreciated to compare against the other method
-
-
AADD Moderators: Tronica
eating Nurofen
- Thread starter pinkanga
- Start date
ZeusUnit
Bluelighter
- Joined
- Dec 11, 2005
- Messages
- 95
Panadine forte CWE - help with result
Sup
Sorry 2 post another question on this topic but even with the shitloads of info i couldnt really confirm how much water i should have left over after filtration.
I crushed up 5 panadine fortes last nite (500 p - 30 codine) and used about 40ml of water going by the processes found in the threads. I think 40ml may have been way 2 much, but i was still only left with just enough codine water to line the bottom of the cup, maby 5-10ml if that. Is there supposed to be more or is it ment to be a very small amount after filtration? the water is pretty clear and tastes bitter so it should be ok, just thought thered be more ??
Gonna drink it tommorow, any help is appreciated. Cheers
EDIT: Merged. hoptis
Sup
Sorry 2 post another question on this topic but even with the shitloads of info i couldnt really confirm how much water i should have left over after filtration.
I crushed up 5 panadine fortes last nite (500 p - 30 codine) and used about 40ml of water going by the processes found in the threads. I think 40ml may have been way 2 much, but i was still only left with just enough codine water to line the bottom of the cup, maby 5-10ml if that. Is there supposed to be more or is it ment to be a very small amount after filtration? the water is pretty clear and tastes bitter so it should be ok, just thought thered be more ??
Gonna drink it tommorow, any help is appreciated. Cheers
EDIT: Merged. hoptis
Last edited by a moderator:
technoHarmony
Bluelighter
yeah 40mL should be cool, usually its bout 2mL per pill, so your pretty safe.
i usually do 20 tablet extractions with that much.
i usually do 20 tablet extractions with that much.
peaked
Bluelighter
- Joined
- Jan 22, 2004
- Messages
- 711
Recently, I purchased a pack of Nurofen Plus (im in SA) as I was curious to see if the "splittables" were still going around here. Unfortunately for me they werent (confirmed with a reagent test on both sides of the tablet), and I attempted a CWE on some of the pills. I've done the procedure numerous times on panadeine pills and I've always had successful results - even when I've rushed the procedure abit by just putting it in the freezer for a few minutes then seperating once with two coffee filters.
The N+ was a completely different story. I used the same dose I usually do with panadeine (100mg) and used the same amount of water aswell. I did the extraction very carefully, finely griding the pills under a mortar and pestle, then adding the powder to approx 30-40ml of room temperature water. I then put the liquid in the fridge for an hour to cool. This was the first stage I started to get abit concerned about the procedure. Whereas with the panadeine extractions where the solids sink to the bottom of the liquid after being in the fridge, this seemed unaffected, with the liquid looking essentially the same as when I put it in (as in, it was still a cloudy white liquid). I had read previously in this thread that the N+ extraction was more difficult than with panadeine, so I decided to use 4 filters instead of 2. I then left it for 4 hours to seperate (vastly longer than I do for panadeine) and yet to my dismay, the solution I was left with was still a cloudy white mess. I put it back into the fridge for another hour, as I thought maybe the liquid had heated up during the long extraction time and some ibuprofen had dissolved into it. I then filtered it again, this time using 3 filters. Once again, I got the same unwanted results. I was starting to get very frustrated by this stage. I put the liquid into the freezer and left it for ten or so minutes, before doing another extraction (this time with 5 filters). Once again, the same "contaminated" liquid came out the other side. The last thing I wanted to do was consume a liquid that could have possibly contained a large and harmful dose of ibuprofen, so I tipped the remaining liquid down the sink.
My question is to those that have experience with the CWE of N+. Are there any alternative methods, or even just modifications to the usual method, that may result in a clear liquid at the end of the procedure?
Another thought also came into my head, that the white stuff in the end solution may not be ibuprofen. As they (nurofen) caught onto the fact that people were abusing the splittables, they may have also discovered about the CWE method. Is it possible that a binder could have been used in the N+ pills that is just as soluble (maybe even more) in water as codeine is, thus leaving alot of binder and a small amount of codeine in the end solution ? I only thought this because, theoretically, if the liquid was cold enough, then none (or very little) of the ibuprofen should dissolve in it.
The N+ was a completely different story. I used the same dose I usually do with panadeine (100mg) and used the same amount of water aswell. I did the extraction very carefully, finely griding the pills under a mortar and pestle, then adding the powder to approx 30-40ml of room temperature water. I then put the liquid in the fridge for an hour to cool. This was the first stage I started to get abit concerned about the procedure. Whereas with the panadeine extractions where the solids sink to the bottom of the liquid after being in the fridge, this seemed unaffected, with the liquid looking essentially the same as when I put it in (as in, it was still a cloudy white liquid). I had read previously in this thread that the N+ extraction was more difficult than with panadeine, so I decided to use 4 filters instead of 2. I then left it for 4 hours to seperate (vastly longer than I do for panadeine) and yet to my dismay, the solution I was left with was still a cloudy white mess. I put it back into the fridge for another hour, as I thought maybe the liquid had heated up during the long extraction time and some ibuprofen had dissolved into it. I then filtered it again, this time using 3 filters. Once again, I got the same unwanted results. I was starting to get very frustrated by this stage. I put the liquid into the freezer and left it for ten or so minutes, before doing another extraction (this time with 5 filters). Once again, the same "contaminated" liquid came out the other side. The last thing I wanted to do was consume a liquid that could have possibly contained a large and harmful dose of ibuprofen, so I tipped the remaining liquid down the sink.
My question is to those that have experience with the CWE of N+. Are there any alternative methods, or even just modifications to the usual method, that may result in a clear liquid at the end of the procedure?
Another thought also came into my head, that the white stuff in the end solution may not be ibuprofen. As they (nurofen) caught onto the fact that people were abusing the splittables, they may have also discovered about the CWE method. Is it possible that a binder could have been used in the N+ pills that is just as soluble (maybe even more) in water as codeine is, thus leaving alot of binder and a small amount of codeine in the end solution ? I only thought this because, theoretically, if the liquid was cold enough, then none (or very little) of the ibuprofen should dissolve in it.
Last edited:
johnnyonelove
Bluelighter
so its back to cold water extractions. haven't done one of these in a while (haven't had any codeine in some time). yeah, its more hasle than splitting N+, but its not that bad. main issue is the absolute vile taste!
for CWE, i wouldn't bother with nurofen. can't remember the brand/name, but you can get codeine/paracetamol in a capsule. makes things a fair bit easier, as no need for crushing pills.
for CWE, i wouldn't bother with nurofen. can't remember the brand/name, but you can get codeine/paracetamol in a capsule. makes things a fair bit easier, as no need for crushing pills.
peaked
Bluelighter
- Joined
- Jan 22, 2004
- Messages
- 711
johnnyonelove said:
So did you ended up with a perfectly clear liquid? And if so, did you just use the standard method? And was it with the unsplittables, or the splittables?
I know there are better alternative brands for the CWE, though from what I've read in this thread, theoretically it should work with the N+ aswell ... and I just couldnt get it to a standard that I think would be safe to consume.
Last edited:
ayjay
Bluelighter
The cloudiness suggests a suspension of undissolved matter. My best guess - the ibuprofin is just floating about in the water, rather than sinking to the bottom like paracetamol does. This means that you need a finer filter than a coffee filter to remove the undissolved matter - you can't just draw the codeine in solution off the top as you would with a codeine/paracetamol CWE. The coffee filters should be picking up some of the insoluble matter, just not all of it. Did you get a residue on the filters (especially from the first filtering)? Subsequent filtering with more coffee filters won't really help much - the small insoluble particles that pass through the first filtering will also pass through subsequent filterings.
IF I'M RIGHT (and I might not be), you are left with a couple of options:
1. Pick up some micron filters - even a 5 micron filter will make a big difference. You'll need some big syringes too (10ml or 20ml).
OR
2. Give up on the Nurofen Plus - just buy some nice generic paracetamol/codeine and do your CWE on that
peaked
Bluelighter
- Joined
- Jan 22, 2004
- Messages
- 711
Thanks for the informative reply ayjay, its much appeciated. In answer to your question, there was a lot of residue left after the first filtering, and I forgot to mention in my previous posts that the subsequent filterings were much quicker than the initial, with the liquid literally going in the top and coming out the bottom immediately on my last attempt. So I believe your correct in your conclusions about the filtering being inadequate.
For curiosities sake, if I ever get access to a micron filter and a syringe I might just try this again. But its not really on the top of my agenda - especially when I've got a box of 50 panadeine sitting next to me
The fact that the CWE doesnt appear to work on N+ is somewhat concerning to me, considering there is much talk about it on previous pages in this thread, and the general conclusion being that it should work the same as it does with any other codeine pills. Of even more concern is that many people have attempted the extraction under this belief, and consumed the resulting liquid.
It might be a good idea for one of the mod's to update the first post in this thread to state that the splitting and CWE of N+ no longer works. Greenlighters that havn't been constantly watching this thread grow might only read the first 20 or so pages and come to the conclusion that they can still seperate the codeine from the ibuprofen.
For curiosities sake, if I ever get access to a micron filter and a syringe I might just try this again. But its not really on the top of my agenda - especially when I've got a box of 50 panadeine sitting next to me
The fact that the CWE doesnt appear to work on N+ is somewhat concerning to me, considering there is much talk about it on previous pages in this thread, and the general conclusion being that it should work the same as it does with any other codeine pills. Of even more concern is that many people have attempted the extraction under this belief, and consumed the resulting liquid.
It might be a good idea for one of the mod's to update the first post in this thread to state that the splitting and CWE of N+ no longer works. Greenlighters that havn't been constantly watching this thread grow might only read the first 20 or so pages and come to the conclusion that they can still seperate the codeine from the ibuprofen.
h-90
Bluelighter
- Joined
- Jul 27, 2004
- Messages
- 147
CWE for Nurofen Plus works. It works better than paracetomal infact becasue Ibuprofen is insoluable in water.
The end liquid is cloudy. Its just unfliterd binders to small for the filter to catch. Trust me that spillting Nurofen Plus still works and CWE works. I put my life on it by the fact that i'm still alive.
The end liquid is cloudy. Its just unfliterd binders to small for the filter to catch. Trust me that spillting Nurofen Plus still works and CWE works. I put my life on it by the fact that i'm still alive.
Have to add...
I never bother with the CWE of anything..
Splitting the N+ does me fine, anything from 80mg to 150mg depending my mood, and they always work for me..
Tolerence comes very quickly, if you wanna do it, keep it to once a week and you'll never build much of a tolerence. Been doing this for about a year and still get same effects as first time. Go the N+
BTW i never but the 48pack, always the 24 and never had an unsplittable batch.
I never bother with the CWE of anything..
Splitting the N+ does me fine, anything from 80mg to 150mg depending my mood, and they always work for me..
Tolerence comes very quickly, if you wanna do it, keep it to once a week and you'll never build much of a tolerence. Been doing this for about a year and still get same effects as first time. Go the N+
BTW i never but the 48pack, always the 24 and never had an unsplittable batch.
Codesan
Bluelighter
- Joined
- Aug 1, 2005
- Messages
- 94
Would like to add that there are still splitting N+ out there (but here in Russia I can only get 12 packs) and the package is the old one. Sometimes I get the nonsplitting ones but I do a CWE on those and the liquid is cloudy but is not as strong as the splitting because I'm unable to do the CWE correctly (doing somethin wrong probably). Before I knew the splitting thing I had done for about 2 years just eating a whole package of N+ (so thats 2400mg ibuprofen) and it got me high (because I was stupid teenager) and it also made me sick because of the ibuprofen but I still did it (dont ask..). I've done that over 40 times and I can notice if I take too much ibuprofen because it gives me this very unpleasant high and makes me sick for a long time. When I split N+ I dont notice any ibuprofen sickness and I only feel the good codeine buzz. Same with CWE.
As you can notice I'm still very alive and I have had my liver and stool tested many times and so far there's nothing wrong. No liver damage and no blood or anythin like that in my stool. The doctors say that I am healthy.
I dont know why this is but do not do the same as I have done. Repeat..Do not eat that many unsplit nurofens. I dont know why I am still alive (Darwin is spinning in his grave right now.."why isnt he dead?!?") but my liver and stomach are fine and I am 98% sure that the splitting works.
This is just my thoughts on this subject and this is all true.
I've done nurofen plus for about 3 years now (on and off..sometimes kept a 6 month break) and for the past week I've split nuros (somedays done 300mg some days done 50mg) and I havent noticed any tolerance change even when I'm doing codeine for days. I've also started to think that I might have something wrong with the amount of CYP2D6 in my liver because I can get a really nice buzz from 50mg and if i take 300mg it makes me almost puke and my pupils go so small that its hard to see them.
As you can notice I'm still very alive and I have had my liver and stool tested many times and so far there's nothing wrong. No liver damage and no blood or anythin like that in my stool. The doctors say that I am healthy.
I dont know why this is but do not do the same as I have done. Repeat..Do not eat that many unsplit nurofens. I dont know why I am still alive (Darwin is spinning in his grave right now.."why isnt he dead?!?") but my liver and stomach are fine and I am 98% sure that the splitting works.
This is just my thoughts on this subject and this is all true.
I've done nurofen plus for about 3 years now (on and off..sometimes kept a 6 month break) and for the past week I've split nuros (somedays done 300mg some days done 50mg) and I havent noticed any tolerance change even when I'm doing codeine for days. I've also started to think that I might have something wrong with the amount of CYP2D6 in my liver because I can get a really nice buzz from 50mg and if i take 300mg it makes me almost puke and my pupils go so small that its hard to see them.
aphexia
Bluelighter
- Joined
- Jul 12, 2005
- Messages
- 323
splitting some of the old packages works but none of the new packs are splittable (well at least none that I have tried)
both sides of the pills from the new packs have the same density, solubility and taste therefor I believe the ibuprofen and codeine are now mixed
both sides of the pills from the new packs have the same density, solubility and taste therefor I believe the ibuprofen and codeine are now mixed
luke_dm5
Bluelighter
pinkanga said:^^ Raving, yeah it contains both, but apparently the pills can be split in two (they can) with codeine one side and ibuprofen the other. Split the pill horizontally not vertically and the codeine should be in the N+ side. (Sometimes that is not the case apparently, as in my question).
Thanx Moebro
8) If you believe this then I have no hope for you.
NSAIDs are quite toxic, find another way to get some codeine.
chugs
Bluelighter
- Joined
- Feb 23, 2004
- Messages
- 2,026
Codesan said:
^ perhaps you can potentiate the codiene by consuming some grapefruit (consumed within 5mins of freshly squeezing it)
that said i too have notice that CWE isn't working as well as it has in the past. Same procedure, somehow the end product has far more detritus and other material in it and doesn't work as well.
I've also noticed that the last 5 boxs i've brought are now non-splitables (that is that even if you can cut them dead in themiddle both halfs contain an opiate).
I've moved to poppy seed tea. It's far easy to do and the high is alot more interesting. I also find that i consume opiates far less now after a regime of poppy seed tea. For example it's a nice high, subtle but definable yet it doesn't compel you to consume more.
sure i was completly toning down my opiate use (5 boxs over nearly 6 months) and only a couple glasses of poppy seed tea but it's certainly not as habbit forming as nurofen plus...
Wow, this thread has become bloated out of proportion... that's my old handle "Xherrus" on the first page over one and a half years ago! Hi Pete, it's been a while. Glad to see you're still on Bluelight mate.
A pity about the Nurofen Plus; at least there's a cheaper, better alternative (poppy seeds), and you can always do a cold water extraction on pills containing codeine + paracetamol. They happen to be more cost-effective too. Best brand is Chemist's Own Pain Tablets: 10mg codeine + 500mg paracetamol. They come in bottles of 100 for as cheap as $X; that's about $X/hit if you have a tolerance.
However this thread is about Nurofen tablets, and after the new ones came out, if you were lucky or cunning you would have bought a few of the old boxes from chemists who don't move a lot of stock.
P.S. Grapefruit juice makes codeine WEAKER, don't use it.
EDIT: Prices removed. hoptis
A pity about the Nurofen Plus; at least there's a cheaper, better alternative (poppy seeds), and you can always do a cold water extraction on pills containing codeine + paracetamol. They happen to be more cost-effective too. Best brand is Chemist's Own Pain Tablets: 10mg codeine + 500mg paracetamol. They come in bottles of 100 for as cheap as $X; that's about $X/hit if you have a tolerance.
However this thread is about Nurofen tablets, and after the new ones came out, if you were lucky or cunning you would have bought a few of the old boxes from chemists who don't move a lot of stock.
P.S. Grapefruit juice makes codeine WEAKER, don't use it.
EDIT: Prices removed. hoptis
Last edited by a moderator: