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Eating & cigs with alprazolam

BabyGurl3171

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Is it better to have an empty stomach before takin alprazolam or does it matter? Of so, how long should I wait before/after eating? Damn stuff makes me wanna munch almost as bad as weed!
And cigs...my pharmacy leaflet says smoking decreases the effect of alprazolam. Experiences anyone? I always want a cig after dissolving or chewin a pill but if it's srsly ruining the effect I suppose I could abstain.
If so how long should I wait to dose after a cig and how long til I can smoke?
I don't know if it's psychosomatic but imo cigs seem to bring me down a lot quicker.
Thanks guys!
 
It's better to take on an empty stomach if you take it orally, but if you stick it under your tongue (can be done quickly and with minimal taste if you know what you're doing), you circumvent that issue.

If you've smoked anytime recently or any time while on benzodiazepines it will decrease their effects. This is because the rate of the clearance of alprazolam from your bloodstream is doubled from inhalation of combusted hydrocarbons. I'm not sure if that means smoking weed does the same thing or not.

And ya...bar munchies are always worse than any other drug-induced munchies I get.
 
People usually end up getting accustomed to that extremely bitter taste of alprazolam (xanax) once the sublingual route (the best one IMO) becomes the preferable and only used route-of-administration.

In regards to your cigarette question here's a thread with more elaboration on the matter if your interested in finding out more:

Cigarettes depleting Benzos
 
If you take the alprazolam via the sublingual route (which tastes like relief by the way) then it doesn't matter whether you've eaten, absorption will not be affected, it will even be slightly more complete than oral administration with higher peak serum / blood concentration levels with sublingual alprazolam. On the other hand, food is not usually something that affects benzodiazepines mechanism's of action. Sometimes there's a slight delay in Cmax or a usual Area Under Curve, to explain the pharmacokinetics a little bit.

So food + benzodiazepines = not a problem, and will kick in in 5-10 minutes if you sublingual the alprazolam peak concentrations usually skyrocket in an hour or less.

Benzodiazepines + Smoking Cigarettes = Some studies have shown up to 50% reductions in benzodiazepine serum levels / concentration reduced by half upon exposure to cigarette smoke.

I can verify from subjective experience that smoking cigarettes pretty much renders most benzodiazepines ineffective. I'm sure part of this may be placebo, but the thing is with my benzodiazepines, I noticed extremely rapidly diminishing effects of the benzodiazepine whenever I give in to having a cigarette (which thank heavens is not often anymore) and because I don't take benzodiazepines recreationally (as in, because I only take them as directed for panic disorder and insomnia), I think that I, and others who have legitimate mental illnesses warranting benzodiazepine therapy particularly can be sensitive to the diminishing effect cigarettes have on benzodiazepines because instead of "feeling less fucked up" or whatever, we experience rebound anxiety/insomnia/panic/etc due to your liver metabolizing the alprazolam at a very rapid rate.

I'm not sure which of the 5000 chemicals/ingredients in cigarettes is responsible for this, I've read tons of studies discussing benzos vs cigs but never more specific than just "cigarette smoke". This leads to my question, does nicotine have any effect on the metabolism of benzodiazepines, or is the decrease in benzodiazepine concentrations due to one or more of the thousands of carcinogens, Poly Aromatic Hydrocarbons (PAHs), etc?? This I do not know.

However, in conclusion, out of all the people I know who take benzodiazepines (which include like.... 50% or more of my homies), 90% of the time when I have asked them "Do you ever feel like smoking cigarettes has any effect on how you feel benzodiazepines?" 90% of the people I ask answer something like:

YES: DECREASED BENZODIAZEPINE EFFICACY AND DURATION UPON CIGARETTE SMOKE INHALATION.

And mind you, this is before I have shown them or told them about any of the peer reviewed articles that support the notion that smoking cigarettes can cause up to a 50% reduction in the benzodiazepine concentration levels, the article I'm thinking of in particular used alprazolam in their study, so you should google "Alprazolam AND smoking AND cigarettes AND pubmed" without the quotations to read the literature I'm talking about. I've posted links to these studies so many times I should have them bookmarked, but I don't so I'm sorry I won't be leaving a direct link to something you guys can easily find with a search engine.

Keep in mind that everyone reacts differently! I've met two people so far who insist that smoking cigarettes doesn't effect their benzodiazepine experience, but the general consensus is that smoking cigarettes not only causes cancer, emphysema, COPD, heart attack, stroke, etc, but it also cockblocks your benzos. Yet another reason to quit smoking cancer sticks.

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The effects are much more enhanced and onset much quicker when taken on an empty stomach; >2 hours post-prandial.

However, contrary to the other posters, I have found sublingual dosing useless as I take at least 3 x2mg bars and holding this many under my tongue waiting for them to dissolve takes at least 20 minutes during which time so much saliva has accumulated I must end up swallowing at least half of the active substance.

That said, rectal administration works the best for me if I can't wait long enough after having ate. The effects, I believe, are enhanced beyond oral or sublignual, onset is also quicker than either. And it's not so hard to do once you've done it once or twice. Just lying on your side for 20 minutes after is usually really boring.

editing...

I crush the bars and dissolve in a small amount of coconut oil and warm water (usually 10-20mg combined with substance) and use coconut oil as lubricant too.
 
i don't really see a reason to put xanax in your butt; it has a super high oral BA and sublingual BA, so food or not, in either case it doesn't really matter. Unless you just like putting benzos up your butt. If it were hydromorphone or morphine then i can see why you would but for most drugs, oral/sublingual/insufflated works well enough.

I remember getting 2 different kinds of lorazepam, one specially formulated for SL use and the other not, and there was a big difference in how fast the one formulated for SL use dissolved, so some formulations are probably better than others for SL use.

FWIW i don't find smoking cigarettes to have an effect on benzos and i smoke a lot of cigarettes and take enough benzos. But i guess that's just one case, i'll have to read that study later.
 
I felt that way too, RR. But I noticed a significant difference in both intensity of effect and onset time with oral administration of Xanax immediately - even 1-2 hours - after eating. So I tried plugging it once, and noticed it was a better alternative administration method when I couldn't wait a couple hours after eating.
 
You guys (and gals) rock!

Thanks for all the great info. I have tried abstaining from cigs but it's not going so well.

I'm goin to go read some studies and inform myself.

Also, does plugging really make a noticeable difference? I've never plugged so am kinda curious. If so, will smoking/eating have the same effect as say SL or chewing? And if I venture to plug, do I need to cut my dose since I've read plugging can be much stronger?

Thanks again!
 
My doctor told me that it's the PAHs in cigarette smoke that are responsible for the induction of liver enzymes. I experience this with clozapine (an antipsychotic) - smokers have 50% lower plasma concentration of clozapine, than non-smokers.
 
You guys (and gals) rock!

Thanks for all the great info. I have tried abstaining from cigs but it's not going so well.

I'm goin to go read some studies and inform myself.

Also, does plugging really make a noticeable difference? I've never plugged so am kinda curious. If so, will smoking/eating have the same effect as say SL or chewing? And if I venture to plug, do I need to cut my dose since I've read plugging can be much stronger?

Thanks again!

If you've just ate and want to administer Alaprazolam then plugging is much better than oral or even sublingual. Quicker onset, and more intense effect.

If you haven't ate in >3 hours, oral administration is fine. Even then I still crush them into a fine powder and mix it in about 150ml water then down it.
 
i wonder if there is really a difference with plugging. I've plugged dilaudid (and have plugged a few psychs) but haven't tried any benzos. I have etizolam in liquid so it'd be easy to do but i hate shoving a syringe up my ass 4-5 times a day to get high. What was the duration like compared to oral/SL? Guess i'll just have to try it some time.
 
Ok, enlighten me...

Does plugging benzos produce a better effect? Curious bc I know alprazolam has a high oral BA anyway. But actually, thanks tolerance, I'm not even feeling 6-8 mgs now. Boy, my tolerance came back fast!

Has anyone ever plugged alprazolam? What was the difference strength wise and how fast was come up? Peak?

Do I need to dissolve it in some water and how much? Then just insert with a syringe? Warm or cold water?

Sorry for all the questions but I'm tryin to make the most of my supply til refill time.

Please share your experiences. I've never plugged before.
 
ive plugged xanax and so no difference. i just sublingual it. in the time it takes to get it prepped you could have put it under your tongue and been on your way to feeling good.

as for cigs. i smoke cigs and eat mad food while on xanax and it doesnt seem to mess with me
 
Yes I know, stfu already with all the questions haha.

Is it better to have an empty stomach before takin alprazolam or does it matter? Of so, how long should I wait before/after eating? Damn stuff makes me wanna munch almost as bad as weed!
And cigs...my pharmacy leaflet says smoking decreases the effect of alprazolam. Experiences anyone? I always want a cig after dissolving or chewin a pill but if it's srsly ruining the effect I suppose I could abstain.
If so how long should I wait to dose after a cig and how long til I can smoke?
I don't know if it's psychosomatic but imo cigs seem to bring me down a lot quicker.
Thanks guys!

Imagine it with weed!

I'll eat and eat and eat and keep going until my stomach tells me I've had enough. If I could gain weight I'd probably be 200lbs. lol
 
I've always just swallowed or devolved all benzos under the tongue. Once or twice I have snorted only Xanax, due to some people saying "xanax is different and it hits harder railing", but not much difference if any at all I reckon. And on the Ciggies, if I have Xanax, I crave ciggies 1,000 times more. They actually caused me to take up smoking again once after being off the smokes for 11 months. But if you're worried about the smokes killing the benzo buzz, obviously the best thing to do is not smoke, but I would usually give the xanz an hour or something to feel the fullish effects before having a ciggie :)
 
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