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EADDs - Heroin the great debate

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Feel free to discuss all you controversial and not so controversial views on Heroin here.

Please try and play nice :)
 
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What's the "great debate" about heroin?!

Either do it or don't do it?

How can a drug be controversial? It's just a drug!
 
I agree with Cornishman, surely it would be better to name this thread "The Heroin Social Thread" as the current title is a bit confusing.
 
Cornishman said:
*cough* Heroin Social *cough*
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Heroin social should defiitely be bumped and used more I agree, but I think it's best left clear of controversy of the kind that's plagued the availability thread of late. Even though the exchange of opinions has been interesting at times.

Though nobody's stepped up to offer opinions in this thread yet I see, other than i against i's um... rather robust and emphatic statement about the guy who first synthesised heroin.
 
I could not find the old Heroin Social Thread when I looked for it last night, I had concluded that the Regional thread was being used as such with no big problems, this thread was just meant to divert the more robust and controversial discussion away from the Regional thread.

As I stated this is an attempt to address requests from members, granted it doesn't see to have been a great success at the moment but throw me a bone for trying :)
 
Here is a great documentary about heroin. I know most of us have already watched this documentary a number of times, but its really worth a watch if you haven't seen it before. Its interesting to hear the actual facts & figures! It gives proof of how the 'war on drugs' is nothing working, the government need to change the way the deal with heroin & heroin users.

There are 3 parts to this documentary, each part is about 8mins long, here is Part 1.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-FzlHgrm8k

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PS. I found the Heroin Social thread V5, but the thread seems to be full up, i don't think that there is any more room to post on it?

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/599012-Heroin-Social-Version-5/page37
 
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I found Heroin to be a highly useful tool for a long time. Although its not the most ideal anti-depressant, thats what I used it for and it certainly worked for me, and while I so still indulge occasionally - I consider myself having completely conqured my 'addiction'.
 
This thread may have yet to find its point but I noticed, after atm's plea to return the slightly troll-derailed 'regional' one to track and dump the surplus here, a series of thoughtful, honest and touching posts that returned it to purpose and allowed readers again to see its value. So credit where it's due for a good job of modding. I don't know much about Calder Wright but it always tickled me the world's first i/v heroin addict was the wife of the guy who invented the hypodermic syringe. Would be, wouldn't it? Meanwhile, 2 years apiece for those lovely Russian girls, Assange can't leave the house and there's sweet fa you can do about it...junk peops rule the world and a hit is an eminently understandable response.
 
i'd say heroin definitely deserves to be viewed with exreme caution because of what it can do to the people that get really hooked. IMO the four most dangerous drugs are Crystal meth, Heroin, Crack and Alcohol.

That said i've met enough people in my time who either just do a bit every now and then, as well as guys who tell me how manageable their daily drug use was until the day they started using crack with their heroin.

Personally i only ever flirted with it during a 6 month period about 8 years ago. i used it mostly as a utility drug to give me 2 day rest periods in order to allow me to come away from my four day coke and meth binges "unscathed". The guys i was hanging with at the time where a lot deeper in then me and watching this guy and his girlfriend go through 10g of good coke (IV too!) and fuck knows how much gear one night at a party round mine definitely stayed with me. They just lay on the floor in the middle of the room and proceeded to go through a box of needles just fuckin speed balling every 10 mins for the whole night, and when they were finally done he tried to get me to sell him back what was left of the 8 ball of charlie he sold me earlier on. This was worst case scenario though. There were plenty other guys on campus (this was in america as you can prob tell) who smoked herion and or did their fair share of oxys and morphine pills and stuff but kept it all quite manageable.

Like i said, not really my area of expertise but i thought someone may as well attempt to get the thread going. Love to here from others who know more about what they're talking about, especially in terms of sustainability of a lengthy functional habit and many users fall into that category etc.. Peace
 
I'd be curious as to how many people who take heroin or opiates actually become "addicts". I've taken enough morphine/codeine/oxycontin to stun a charging rhino for years and never become even remotely addicted. If I have some, I'll take it perhaps on a morning off work when I'm doing household tasks and gardening. It just adds a low relaxation. If I can't be bothered I go months without taking it. It's a high that is nowhere near as good as any psychedelic I've ever taken..or MDMA or even, god help us, 6-apb. Maybe going on the needle or "chasing the dragon" makes it better but I really can't be bothered.

I think there are just some people who are addicts and some who arn't. Professor Nutt mentioned something like this on Russel Brands show.
 
That's true, Iseme. Another person with a different make-up could take exactly the same amount and convince themselves they're 'clucking' and dire things will happen unless they get another hit soon. So, while you're gardening, they're out scoring and, like all good self-fulfilling prophecies, getting authentically addicted. It takes at least 9 months of pretty determined use to develop a physical habit and, if you leave it 72 hours between doses often enough so you can leave it 72 hours, even then you avoid actual dependency. Certainly in the early stages, 'addiction' is psychological and you can argue it's mainly those with an 'addictive personality' who wind up strung out.
 
Ismene said:
I think there are just some people who are addicts and some who arn't. Professor Nutt mentioned something like this on Russel Brands show.
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Russel Brand agrees with the NA perspective that addiction is a lifelong disease and that some people just have addictive personalities and are pre- disposed to go over the top with everything. I havn't made my mind up personally. Describing addiction in that way seems really fatalistic. I recognise that I have addictive tendencies but would much prefer to see them as behaviours I can master at some stage.

Edit. I didnt see Charlies post sorry to repeat stuff. Hiya Charlie :)
 
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