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In whichever bit says it exists. If something exists it is a thing. By definition.

If you agree with me that the sin does not exist as anything beyond a concept in a work of fiction then that's fine too.

But if you believe it to be real then it is a thing.
 
When the Fascists used them to "justify" Fascism? Just a guess.

Not saying it was a reading I agree with... but is just one of many really.

That's not what I was talking about... Fuck Mussolini and Franco... They're mediocre.

@Raas and all you ther biggots.

There is no good, or evil. They are mere words to define actions. Your values are out-dated, newer ones have been installed, please read up on them... so you can continue your apologetics. Although... I think you are alt-users (alter egos) to demolish Shambles.

I will write a follow-up... one of these days.
 
Raas and Jess are most definitely not alts I can assure you :D

And I'm not expecting any "demolishing" any time soon either but could well be surprised.

We kindasorta covered Christianity/Fascism links a while back actually. Martin Luther's "Dirty Little Book" that rather deeply informed a certain German gent's ideas about Jewry. Apparently.

Only another example of "man perverting scripture" but one in a very long line that will never end.
 
That's not what I was talking about... Fuck Mussolini and Franco... They're mediocre.

@Raas and all you ther biggots.

There is no good, or evil. They are mere words to define actions. Your values are out-dated, newer ones have been installed, please read up on them... so you can continue your apologetics. Although... I think you are alt-users (alter egos) to demolish Shambles.

I will write a follow-up... one of these days.
You havent answered my question. How are Christian values, as preached by jesus, fascist?
 
Raas and Jess are most definitely not alts I can assure you :D

And I'm not expecting any "demolishing" any time soon either but could well be surprised.

We kindasorta covered Christianity/Fascism links a while back actually. Martin Luther's "Dirty Little Book" that rather deeply informed a certain German gent's ideas about Jewry. Apparently.

Only another example of "man perverting scripture" but one in a very long line that will never end.

If they are not alts, that is sad.

What kind of fascism are we talking about in terms of Martin King? I'm more referring to oedipus societies.

But fuck me... that's what it seems to be about :)
 
You havent answered my question. How are Christian values, as preached by jesus, fascist?

*almost avoids the circularity of pointing out yet again that there are no written records of this jesus bloke contemporaneous with his supposed existence so also no reliable record of his supposed preachings unless you already believe in the divinity of scripture*

;)<3
 
I didn't read the original thread 1394. Would an example of Oedipus societies be Nazi Germany? Carl Jung said they had an anal complex I'm not sure whether they were a bit oedippy as well.

Germans have toilets with shelves that their stools fall on prior to flushing.. for inspection purposes.
 
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*almost avoids the circularity of pointing out yet again that there are no written records of this jesus bloke contemporaneous with his supposed existence so also no reliable record of his supposed preachings unless you already believe in the divinity of scripture*

;)<3

You can have "The inaugrual EADD most pedantic post of the year award".

Here we go again...

How are Christian values, as preached by Jesus - though technically theres a chance someone may have altered the story in bible creation if it was not divinely inspired - fascist?

And the question was to 1394, who I'm sure is big enough to answer his own questions.
 
I mean Jesus and animals, they followed him around but I don't see insects. I love insects...
 
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How are Christian values, as preached by Jesus - though technically theres a chance someone may have altered the story in bible creation if it was not divinely inspired - fascist?

C'mon help me out here 1394. I don't want to be apart of a fascist religion...
 
^Live like me or burn in hell sounds pretty fascist to me :p

Love me more than your family or burn in hell.

If you are homosexual you will burn in hell.

If you are rich you will burn in hell (although, admittedly, i have a problem with the super rich, too.

If you are not a virgin you are damaged goods and cannot enter a legitimate marriage.

I've also noticed A LOT of christian are involved in indoctrination of children AND members of the public..

They're just off the top of my head.. there's obviously more.

Also.. i think I'm a pretty decent person.. I hate religion.. Where am I going when I die, according to christian values (most people I've spoke to believe I am going to hell)
 
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RE: Sin.

A lot of sins are natural things people (and all animals to some degree) needed to survive (or by-products from it).. They are evolutionary traits built into hardwire from birth.. Natural instinct, if you will.

There are also a lot of sins that revolve around God.. making him sound like a fascist (and jealous) dictator, once again:

Not loving him enough, hating one of his children, being afraid to confess jesus to people, being baptized before believing in Jesus, blasphemy, causing a child of god to sin, judging gods servants, putting cares of this world before god, etc etc..

And some are just plain stupid:

Being angry with your brother, not blessing those that curse you, eating blood, boasting, anxiousness, accusing, abortion, etc etc..
 
^ The question was to 1394, who came out with the original statement. But to answer you anyway...


Rickolasnice said:
If you are not a virgin you are damaged goods and cannot enter a legitimate marriage.
Where did you get this one from? It's not another OT ceremonial rule is it?

^Live like me or burn in hell sounds pretty fascist to me :p
Love me more than your family or burn in hell.
If you are homosexual you will burn in hell.
If you are rich you will burn in hell (although, admittedly, i have a problem with the super rich, too.
I've also noticed A LOT of christian are involved in indoctrination of children AND members of the public..
They're just off the top of my head.. there's obviously more.
Also.. i think I'm a pretty decent person.. I hate religion.. Where am I going when I die, according to christian values (most people I've spoke to believe I am going to hell)

Just because theirs laws and boundaries doesn't make it a fascist religion, Ricko.

Anything and anyone could be fascist by your logic. This forum could be fascist, no? "Adhere to the guidelines or you will be banned". This country is fascist. "Break the law and I'll send you to jail".

ricko said:
There are also a lot of sins that revolve around God.. making him sound like a fascist (and jealous) dictator, once again:

Not loving him enough, hating one of his children, being afraid to confess jesus to people, being baptized before believing in Jesus, blasphemy, causing a child of god to sin, judging gods servants, putting cares of this world before god, etc etc..

And some are just plain stupid:

Being angry with your brother, not blessing those that curse you, eating blood, boasting, anxiousness, accusing, abortion, etc etc..

Hating one of his children, being angry at your brother, not blessing those who curse you, boasting... etc

These are verses encouraging you to dissociate from enmity amongst other people. The nearly 2,000 year old writings don't always translate well in this day and age, but the meaning is certainly clear.

It's encouraging one to dissociate from enmity, because Christiannity is a religion of peace and goodwill.

If you're such a decent chap, why do you hate a religion of peace and good will?

Before you tell me it's not a religion of peace and goodwill, please, look to Jesus... before you quote more nonsense from the OT that Christians and Jesus himself disregard

Acts 13:39 said:
"by this Jesus everyone who believes is set free from all those sins from which you could not be freed by the law of Moses
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Ricko said:
A lot of sins are natural things people (and all animals to some degree) needed to survive (or by-products from it).. They are evolutionary traits built into hardwire from birth.. Natural instinct, if you will
Yeah, to a certain extent I'll go along with this one. But this is why life on this planet is a spiritually progressive experience, because you learn to outgrow your fleshly (animalistic) desires.
 
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Society laws are there to protect individuals and society.

The non-virgin women being damaged good which can no longer enter a legitimate marriage was actually told to me by another Christian.. he showed me more than one passage that confirmed this and yes it was the old testament.. the irrefutable words of God. Again.. without cherry picking.. How can you say: "God did do that but not this, God did say that but not this, God did do that but it was written down wrong, etc etc" .. It all seems a bit too convenient that bits you want to believe are true and those you don't aren't, don't you think?

A lot God / Jesus' rules are there to keep people believing in him / them.. Also.. Other laws seemed to only be about "Gods people" or the "Israelites".. as if implied throughout the bible.

Yes.. this forum is fascist at times.. it never claimed to be a democracy.

Religion causes more harm than good, imo. Most christians i have spoken to seem to think that the world would be a chaotic place with no moral structure without religion.. That is simply untrue.

I also have a problem with indoctrination of beliefs and creationists REALLY wind me up.

I don't see how being a nice person but not liking religion are incompatible, though.. My dislike for religion, i feel, is in the interest of people.. even the followers. Religion causes all sorts of nightmares and confusion, especially for kids.. BE GOOD OR GO TO HELL. GAY PEOPLE GO TO HELL. I can only imagine the emotional trauma a gay kid feels the first time he notices he liked other boys having been brought up a christian.

The amount of child abuse that goes on behind closed doors in churches is extremely worrying. The messages the pope spreads (abortion is evil, condoms are evil) is also incredibly worrying.. but more importantly - Very damaging not only for individual people, but society as a whole.

But ignoring all of that.. I believe that people spreading the word of Jesus, that God and Jesus are definitely real.. are ultimately lying. The whole of the bible (at least 99% of it) is lies. And to spread it as the ultimate truth is wrong.

Oh yeah and the and the "stupid" sins I posted. What if you are wrong? What if this is the only life we are given? You are encouraging people to waste it on spreading the story of a make believe character and denying them their human rights and natural wants all for this book..

Do you accept validity of the Quran?
 
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An interesting read by someone who used to be Christian:

http://debunkingchristianity.blogspot.co.uk/2007/06/25-reasons-why-i-am-no-longer-christian.html

With more here:

http://testimonials.exchristian.net/2008/06/why-i-am-no-longer-christian.html

And more..

http://www.users.drew.edu/~jlenz/whynot.html

Also.. look up Ray Comforts fan page on facebook.. his ignorance and beliefs are fckin moronic but people buy into his crap because he is a Christian teacher.. He's poisoning the minds of thousands.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfucpGCm5hY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0DdgSDan9c
 
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^Live like me or burn in hell sounds pretty fascist to me :p

Love me more than your family or burn in hell.

If you are homosexual you will burn in hell.

If you are rich you will burn in hell (although, admittedly, i have a problem with the super rich, too.

If you are not a virgin you are damaged goods and cannot enter a legitimate marriage.

I've also noticed A LOT of christian are involved in indoctrination of children AND members of the public..

They're just off the top of my head.. there's obviously more.

Also.. i think I'm a pretty decent person.. I hate religion.. Where am I going when I die, according to christian values (most people I've spoke to believe I am going to hell)


You have obviously thought about God and religion a great deal. There are 2 resources on the internet that I would recommend to you. This one http://bible.cc/john/3-5.htm or one like it is imperative. It has provided copies of the bible in every translation and also bible commentaries, concordances ( where you can look up any word in the bible), devotions, maps... Most importantly if you are discussing a verse with someone online eg 'You must be born of water and the Spirit' ( to enter into the kingdom of heaven) you can just type a couple of words from the verse and bible biblos into google and you can copy and paste it chapter and verse.

Actually, if you have the time read the whole chapter in context. Its not long and much of what Jesus, the aspostles and the church preach about hinge on it. http://niv.scripturetext.com/john/3.htm



Its difficult to respond to some of your statements about the bible without having a chapter and verse to look at. I get the impression some of the things you have said come from biased sources.

The other useful resource i've found is this site: http://www.gotquestions.org/welcome.html .. I wouldn't say its totally unbiased but it'll give you some really accurate, concise explanations, on just about anything. I don't know what denomination the guy/woman that wrote it is but check it out anyway.

It says in the bible that Jesus said the most important commandment was 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength and love your neighbour as yourself' (John 3:5) That means that you put God before anything...self, sexuality, money, relationships, and even family.
If someone is struggling with their sexuality and they feel a pull towards God i'd suggest they pray that they know Gods will for them and that God and His kingdom are put first. That would mean remaining celibate until they know for sure what Gods highest is for them.

This issue, as well as some of the others on your list are about self sacrifice, putting others first, humility.. Dying to your self even and becoming a new creation as Jesus says to Nicodemus according to John 3.5 http://bible.cc/john/3-5.htm.

I am reading over concepts of hell at the moment. I don't want to make definitive statements about it right now. What I do know is that there will be a judgement seat and the living and the dead will stand before it.

Eg: http://niv.scripturetext.com/1_peter/4.htm verse 1-14 ( i'd like to add a ton of other eschatological verses to that but i'm not even dressed yet. I'll put them in later)

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All of the things I mentioned come from verses within the bible.. (I'll find a few now)

Thanks for the site but I do already know of it ;)

How can God (and Jesus) expect people to put him (them) above their family? Why would he want that, anyway? Jealous, fascist dictator sounds about right :p

I don't see anything on my list about putting others first, unless you mean Jesus.*

NSFW:

Love me more than your family or burn in hell (this is just one of many parts of the bible relating to this)

33 “But awhoever 1denies Me before men, I will also deny him before My Father who is in heaven.
34 “aDo not think that I came to 1bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.
35 “For I came to aset a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law;
36 and aa man’s enemies will be the members of his household.
37 “aHe who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; and he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me.
38 “And ahe who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me.
39 “aHe who has found his 1life will lose it, and he who has lost his 1life for My sake will find it.

Homosexuals (and more) will burn in hell: (If you've ever desired to possess something (particularly someone elses) you are going to hell. If we did not desire to possess something, we would not have anything. We are all going to hell).

1Corinthians 6:9-10 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God

The rich will burn in hell:

Matthew 23Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Truly I tell you, it is hard for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of heaven. 24Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.”

Non virgins are damaged goods:

OK.. re-reading my E-mails from the Jehovahs witness he hasn't actually left his source for these claims:

Premarital fornication also affects the rights of any person who might become the individual’s mate, namely, that individual’s right to marry a chaste Christian. Most of all, fornication must be avoided because God says that it is wrong; it is a sin.

Ah actually he posts this:

3 It is God’s will that you should be sanctified: that you should avoid sexual immorality; 4 that each of you should learn to control your own body[a] in a way that is holy and honorable, 5 not in passionate lust like the pagans, who do not know God; 6 and that in this matter no one should wrong or take advantage of a brother or sister. The Lord will punish all those who commit such sins, as we told you and warned you before.

and this:

4Marriage should be honored by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral.


*Ohh i see you meant my other post about the "stupid sins".. Ok.. so.. What if you had a brother than had just insulted Jesus in the most horrible way, horribly tortured your pet, had sex with your spouse and then pooped on your pillow?

Would you not be angry? Would you not accuse him of doing it? Would it not cause you anxiety?

Come on man they're all perfectly natural, mostly harmless emotions.
 
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How can God (and Jesus) expect people to put him (them) above their family? Why would he want that, anyway? Jealous, fascist dictator sounds about right

It relates to detachment from the things of the world ( which is 'passing away') .. talk later rickolasnice. :) :p
 
Just had a wee looksee at that second site you recommended, Yella. You have got to be kidding on the "accurate" stuff surely. Went for an obvious target to see what kinda site it was and surprise surprise I got...

Evolution is the “creation theory” for the religion of atheism. According to the Bible, the choice is clear. We can believe the Word of our omnipotent and omniscient God, or we can believe the illogically biased, “scientific” explanations of fools.

Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/creation-evolution.html#ixzz2OGvd7yTY

The rest of the page is essentially just this bit over and over again - scientists are atheists who "invented" evolution to promote atheism. It's one of those issues that's an instant red flag for Christians who cannot be taken seriously in anything they say cos they're just making stuff up to fit their desires.

That first site looks quite handy though. I usually use http://www.biblegateway.com/ to compare versions but might give that other one a whirl sometime instead.

Will finish on a fitting Bible quote...

God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned.

--2 Thess. 2:11-12

Quite.
 
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