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Isn't that against your religion? ;)

I'm sure I'd sit down and have nice cuppa tea and a chat should he ever happen to cross my path. I'm sure he'd know where to find me if the mood takes him.

In related news, I never say "Christ!" when coming although have heard tell some do. Seems an odd thing to say at such moments really. Presumably he already knows what you've been up to.

Must be such a bore being omnipotent. No chance of a surprise birthday party. But handy for the bookies. Swings and roundabouts really I suppose.
 
Sham this question deserves a better answer than I'm able to give it right now. Can I have a ponder.

Short answer though.Jesus said 'I am the Way the Truth and the Life noone comes to the Father but by me'

The entire bible is His Story. He is the religion and the faith. Abrahams simple faith was as authentic and full of God as Pauls and Moses' complex ones.

ANyway I'm rambling now.. I would like to prepare a better answer though ok?
 
You don't have to ask my permission to ponder, m'dear. Ponder as you please <3

Short answer is fine but the problem with that arises from the fact there's a whole loada other stuff attributed to him in one form or another - much of it at complete odds with each other as Rickolas pointed out a few of the more glaring examples of above. Inconsistency rather suggests the "it's all just made up by various men for various purposes over centuries" stance but if you or anybody else feel able to somehow square the circle I'd love to read it :)

In comedy Christian news, heard about a book I must track down some time t'other night - Exo Vaticana. Two evangelists who argue the case that the Vatican and various world governments are about to announce the existence of aliens. They'll try to pass them off as saviours of humanity whilst they will actually be - dah-dah-DAH - the Antichrist =D

Makes perfect sense when you think about it. Well, as much sense as you'd expect anyway ;)
 
NightsEpiphany.. Did you just really threaten to kill shambles over his belief in religion?

Is the OT not the word of Jehovah? Jesus' father / jesus other form / Jesus' other personality. Yep. It's a book full of evil, stupidity, impossibilities and major contradictions. It's a book compiled over many centuries by many different people. It is not a book of the word of God. It is not a book that is historically, scientifically or even morally correct. It is a book of mythical creatures (talking donkey, talking snakes, sons of god, etc) and mythical events (Noahs ark, etc).. It is a fairytale whose sole aim (these days, anyway) is to gain more followers, pumping it's churches with power and money. Fair enough some branches of christianity aren't as money focused as others (ahem, catholic church) but that is because they have lost their way..

If Jesus did exist.. He was just another cult leader. An L. Ron Hubbard of his time.

People who believe in the bible ALWAYS cherry pick the bits they like out of it and consider it truth whereas they deny the bad bits, saying they are either gods words misunderstood, not gods words, or some other bullcrap. Christians always do this to the old testament, even though Jesus said nothing about then old testament being wrong.

This man said it best:

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Shambles said:
Raas: Guess what? I'll get back to ya on that gigapost ;)<3

(i do wish you'd not respond to so much all at once though - feels like a slog to respond to even though it really isn't)
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Thing is. Every time I come back to post, the thread has grown by about 2 pages. So much to respond too.

I'll limit my selection next time, for both of our sakes.

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Yes raas.. people have replied to my posts in P&S.. But nobody has answered them.. anybody with a logical, rational mind can see that.. It just doesn't make sense to respond to OT passages with "BUT THAT'S THE OT!" "It was the law of the land!"..
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There was quite a few responses, certainly a bit more complex than "BUT THATS THE OT!".

If you didn't listen to those responses, you won't listen to anything.

But hey. I don't want to get on with my study and want to waste some time so here's a quick recap.

-If you're trying to learn about God, look to Jesus who is "God in a person".

-Read the gospels. Jesus keeps defying the old law, which really pisses off the Pharisees.

-It's not all bad, he also states he's come to "fulfill the law"

-But this is not law that the pharisees corrupted

-When he says this he's referring "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint and dill and cummin, and have neglected the bweightier provisions of the law: justice and mercy and faithfulness"

-We infer that "Gods law" sorta got corrupted by the Pharisees and Sadducees who added hundreds of ceremonial rules

-The OT shows mans depiction of God. (a controlling tyrant)

-Jesus cleared up the confusion about his Daddy by becoming a physical representation.

-All is swell, everyone gets it now, and authors of the NT diss the OT some more
 
OT is mans depiction of God..

So.. Noahs ark never happened? Adam and Eve never happened? The creation never happened? What about the talking snake and the talking donkey?

Why did Jesus not sort out the fact from fiction in the OT then? Jesus himself tells his followers to follow the Tanakh (which is almost exactly the same as the (or is it actually the) old testament).. None of the bible was actually written by Jesus and much of it was written long after his death.. so is the New Testament not also mans depiction of God? Again.. You cherry pick what you want to believe.


Here's a page with a fair few examples of God being evil..

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Examples_of_God_personally_killing_people

Some of them are in the NT..

It's like I said.. people cherry pick what bits were true and which were misinterpretations..

Why did Jesus need to speak to God if he was God in human form?

"No man ever believes the bible means what it says: he is always convinced it says what he means."

@Shambles.. I've noticed almost all christians do this. It seems as though instead of answering a question fully, they pile on a load of (normally completely irrelevant) bible info.. as if to dodge the question / point and confuse.

And, oh yes raas.. Please point me in the direction of a piece of evidence that suggests there is a God.
 
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Thing is. Every time I come back to post, the thread has grown by about 2 pages. So much to respond too.

I'll limit my selection next time, for both of our sakes.



There was quite a few responses, certainly a bit more complex than "BUT THATS THE OT!".

If you didn't listen to those responses, you won't listen to anything.

But hey. I don't want to get on with my study and want to waste some time so here's a quick recap.

-If you're trying to learn about God, look to Jesus who is "God in a person".

-Read the gospels. Jesus keeps defying the old law, which really pisses off the Pharisees.

-It's not all bad, he also states he's come to "fulfill the law"

-But this is not law that the pharisees corrupted

-When he says this he's referring "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint and dill and cummin, and have neglected the bweightier provisions of the law: justice and mercy and faithfulness"

-We infer that "Gods law" sorta got corrupted by the Pharisees and Sadducees who added hundreds of ceremonial rules

-The OT shows mans depiction of God. (a controlling tyrant)

-Jesus cleared up the confusion about his Daddy by becoming a physical representation.

-All is swell, everyone gets it now, and authors of the NT diss the OT some more
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I think its a good idea to use bullet points there. Id like to add that I find parts of the bible confusing but have made a choice to trust the Truth, laws and scriptures that Jesus believed and served.

Also the OT shows its impossible to do the will of God in the sinful nature. The Israelites kept screwing up as we do, certainly as I do, when we trust in our old nature to go Gods way rather than the new one we receive through faith.

Check out Romans esp chapters 5-8 on this.

For what the law (OT) could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: Romans 8.3

http://bible.cc/romans/8-3.htm

For I know that good itself does not dwell in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. Romans 7.18

http://bible.cc/romans/7-18.htm
 
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"No man ever believes the bible means what it says: he is always convinced it says what he means."

@Shambles.. I've noticed almost all christians do this. It seems as though instead of answering a question fully, they pile on a load of (normally completely irrelevant) bible info.. as if to dodge the question / point and confuse.
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Yes.

So I've never read the Bible or had any inclination to but I've recently been studying parts of it in my course in relation to literature, references to the Bible in literature etc. And I've got to say I'm shocked at the violence. For instance we were talking about Jane Eyre and this passage came up that's apparently a reference to how according to the Bible, if a man thinks of another man's wife he needs to gauge his eyes out and cut off his right hand.
I'm sorry but what? How does a belief that's supposed to bring you peace and happiness propagate such violence?
I knew the Bible was violent but wow...

This is one of the reasons why I love Paradise Lost so much. Milton writes Satan as simply reacting to God's cruelty and from what I've seen, he's kind of got a point.
By now I've made it clear I don't believe in God or any kind of religion but for those of you that do, how dyou make sense of stuff like that?!
And please no meaningless (to me) quotations from the Bible, I'd rather hear your thoughts on the matter :p

P.S. NE, why did you ignore my fantastic spaghetti monster and marshmallow heaven analogy? Was quite proud of it ;)
 
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Yes.

So I've never read the Bible or had any inclination to but I've recently been studying parts of it in my course in relation to literature, references to the Bible in literature etc. And I've got to say I'm shocked at the violence. For instance we were talking about Jane Eyre and this passage came up that's apparently a reference to how according to the Bible, if a man thinks of another man's wife he needs to gauge his eyes out and cut off his right hand.
I'm sorry but what? How does a belief that's supposed to bring you peace and happiness propagate such violence?
I knew the Bible was violent but wow...

This is one of the reasons why I love Paradise Lost so much. Milton writes Satan as simply reacting to God's cruelty and from what I've seen, he's kind of got a point.
By now I've made it clear I don't believe in God or any kind of religion but for those of you that do, how dyou make sense of stuff like that?!
And please no meaningless (to me) quotations from the Bible, I'd rather hear your thoughts on the matter :p

P.S. NE, why did you ignore my fantastic spaghetti monster and marshmallow heaven analogy? Was quite proud of it ;)
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I hate to be the one to break it to you but one quote is Dawkins and the other is ghost busters.. but you are a fantastic writer. I don't know what its like over on your usual B/L sections but there are some talented folk in Eadd. Whats your book about?

God loves the world passionately. We are made in His image and likeness that would include emotions. It says all over the bible He was jealous for Israel even doesn't it? ( but she was unfaithful to Him over and over again)

So God is a lover and a fighter.

Sometimes words or phrases don't translate favourably either though...and could be hyperbole. Like, its better for a man to gouge his eyes out than to look at a women in the wrong way. Jesus actually said.

And if your eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell.Mat 18.9

Im unapologetic about using scripture there Pagey :D... Could you hand in an essay on Jane Eyre or Paradise Lost without references? I'm not bible bashing for the sake of it.. this is serious stuff..

I havn't read all of Paradise Lost. I prefer a bit of Dante. Perhaps you could quote a little bit of the book that you empathise with or relate to.
 
Hmm? I'm confused by your first sentence. What do you mean? (oh, was that about the spaghetti monster thing? I know I didn't invent that one but I'm the one who came up with the marshmallow and hot men thingy :( )
I've actually got proof of what I said hehe, it's in my coursepack (behold, I'm actually gonna quote some of the Bible): Jesus, from the 'Sermon on the Mount': "Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: But I say unto you. That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee"...and lol I just realised I'm quoting what you did, just not as recent English.
Anyway: how does this not shock you?! You're being asked to mutilate yourself for thoughts you can't control seeing as lust isn't controllable. You're being asked to mutilate yourself based on the unproven existence of a fiery pit after death. Idk I mean this just screams everything but happiness/peace/understanding etc. to me.

And I'm confused re. God being jealous. Isn't jealousy/envy a deadly sin...? That seems very hypocritical.

Thank you for the compliment about my writing btw, that's very nice of you :) my book basically chronicles the lives of two heroin addicts and tries to address the stigma surrounding addiction, and heroin addiction in particular. It also touches a lot on morality, depression and that sort of thing.

I'd be glad to look for a passage from Paradise Lost that illustates what I meant - I'll have to get back to you on that one though because I've lent my copy to a friend. Will post it in the next few days.
 
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