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Shambles
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The "Native American" (I suspect you'll find "they" ain't so fond of that term but is still in common use enough to be of some use) vibe is one of the less offensive kinda religious types. Mostly cos it really does sound like pure mythology to the Western ear. I seriously doubt most of those who find it pleasing actually believe it's reality and take it as it is: "wise" sounding philosphical/allegorical mythology. If only all other religions were seen as such I wouldn't be half as piissy about 'em 
Also, am not really into druggy relativism - there's no difference between the hep-infested, groin-injecting junky and the pill-popping, acid-drenched raver other than maybe circumstance and psychology. There are plenty scumbags in both areas... and plenty folk who could teach all of us a thing or two.
Perhaps getting a tad off-topic now... not that I object generally but as it took quite considerably pleading over some considerable time to get a thread on this subject allowed up here at all I for one would rather keep this one on track a bit more than most other thread here. If not we've only got P&S (nice to read sometimes but no way on Earth I or most others here would get away with honest views like some of those here over there)... Would be great to maybe move on from standard Xtian (specifically Bible) bashing to the wider topic of religion in general as it's all of interest to me... but much as I loathe other religions too I'd have to work harder to back up what I say with evidence... not that such piffery seems to be an problem for me currently Xtian (but secretly wishing they could be so much more than that) brothers an sisters 
Treac: Funny you should say that... the "born again" Xtian lass I mentioned above was (thankfully) the second "easiest" gal I've ever been with. That sounds horribly misgonistic but y'all know what I mean. I in no way consider myself "better" than that - am the sluttiest slut I've ever known by some considerble distance (aside from me ex-fiance, perhaps... but that was part of the attraction :D). Religious gals do seem to have a bit of a reputation for being dutty as all hell and back though. Gotta the way the natural human instinct for rebellion tends to win through :D
Also, am not really into druggy relativism - there's no difference between the hep-infested, groin-injecting junky and the pill-popping, acid-drenched raver other than maybe circumstance and psychology. There are plenty scumbags in both areas... and plenty folk who could teach all of us a thing or two.
Perhaps getting a tad off-topic now... not that I object generally but as it took quite considerably pleading over some considerable time to get a thread on this subject allowed up here at all I for one would rather keep this one on track a bit more than most other thread here. If not we've only got P&S (nice to read sometimes but no way on Earth I or most others here would get away with honest views like some of those here over there)... Would be great to maybe move on from standard Xtian (specifically Bible) bashing to the wider topic of religion in general as it's all of interest to me... but much as I loathe other religions too I'd have to work harder to back up what I say with evidence... not that such piffery seems to be an problem for me currently Xtian (but secretly wishing they could be so much more than that
) brothers an sisters Treac: Funny you should say that... the "born again" Xtian lass I mentioned above was (thankfully) the second "easiest" gal I've ever been with. That sounds horribly misgonistic but y'all know what I mean. I in no way consider myself "better" than that - am the sluttiest slut I've ever known by some considerble distance (aside from me ex-fiance, perhaps... but that was part of the attraction :D). Religious gals do seem to have a bit of a reputation for being dutty as all hell and back though. Gotta
the way the natural human instinct for rebellion tends to win through :Don topic i dont look down on any other addict i feel sorry cos their lives were hell on streets begging etc im just lucky needles scare me but could happen to me if i was at low ebb thankfully im not.
i am gonna chill tonight there is so many facets to faith etc makes me head hurt
timeout for me tonight.
i am gonna chill tonight there is so many facets to faith etc makes me head hurt
timeout for me tonight.
Shambles
Bluelight Crew
No need to ask for timeout, Acieed. All the power in the world to do anything and everything is entirely in your hands. All of it. Cos there ain't no skydaddies to hold your metaphorical soulhand no matter what you may think
Must stop posting in here whilst pissed cos can get a tad pissy. Have a few ideas for maybe moving the debate on a bit but will leave it til in more sober state. Would be nice to get the basics out the way first though. It's pretty fukkin hard to argue with what even serious-minded religious folk accept as fact but seems our Xtian friends here have yet to be informed of by their "superiors". Methinks a lil more on the education side and a lil less on the bleedin obvious to all may be in order...
Must stop posting in here whilst pissed cos can get a tad pissy. Have a few ideas for maybe moving the debate on a bit but will leave it til in more sober state. Would be nice to get the basics out the way first though. It's pretty fukkin hard to argue with what even serious-minded religious folk accept as fact but seems our Xtian friends here have yet to be informed of by their "superiors". Methinks a lil more on the education side and a lil less on the bleedin obvious to all may be in order...
sorry again i shudnt be posting when im this coked up even i realise its makinh me a knob.
gonna grab some sleepers and put the cola away
im minister for stating the bleedin obvious tn
gonna chill n relax my hearts in my mouth and need to slooooow down
gonna grab some sleepers and put the cola away
im minister for stating the bleedin obvious tn
gonna chill n relax my hearts in my mouth and need to slooooow down
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Shambles
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FWIW, I wasn't thinking of your posts at all with the "stating the bleedin' obvious" comment, Acieed. Was actually referring to my own posts so far. I kinda take it as read that most folk who take their religion seriously know the basics of the historical stuff even if they don't always like it. Perhaps was overestimating the believer's belief when it comes to actually properly researching said beliefs though
(apologies - y'all know i can't resist a teensy lil dig now and then but hope and trust y'all are well aware by now that it ain't meant personal at all. i do find it kinda jaw-dropping that y'all mostly don't seem to actually know some of the easily confirmed by even the most basic attempts at research into what it is you've actually been sold on (asking your vicar/priest/pastor/random xstain chap y'all look up to/whoever doesn't really count as they also mostly tend to be ones for taking what they're told as fact without bothering to ever check as far as i can tell - further apologies for stating the bleedin' obvious again)
Meh. Time for me to sleep another one off. Maybe if some of y'all believers tried to answer more than one out of a hundred questions of mine I'd lay off the hounding a tad. A shitty thing to say, I'm sure, but is why it's so fukkin frustrating to try to get on the same page as y'all religees sometimes - so fukkin selective in responses I kinda feel it necessary to ask several dozen questions at a time in the vain hope somebody will answer one of 'em at least 8)
Perhaps time for a lil more of the genius that is Greydon Square? Yup. I think so too
Greydon Square - Stockholm Syndrome
Chill me Xtian breadbins - this one is mostly slagging Islam rather than Christianity. Just to break up the SOP so far. If any passing Muslimist wants to put out a fatwah on me for posting such "heresy" then take it up with Mr Square... or perhaps more appropriately your Imam![:\](https://bluelight.org/xf/BL_Images/Orig_Emoji/wrygrin.gif "wry grin :\")
(apologies - y'all know i can't resist a teensy lil dig now and then but hope and trust y'all are well aware by now that it ain't meant personal at all. i do find it kinda jaw-dropping that y'all mostly don't seem to actually know some of the easily confirmed by even the most basic attempts at research into what it is you've actually been sold on (asking your vicar/priest/pastor/random xstain chap y'all look up to/whoever doesn't really count as they also mostly tend to be ones for taking what they're told as fact without bothering to ever check as far as i can tell - further apologies for stating the bleedin' obvious again
)Meh. Time for me to sleep another one off. Maybe if some of y'all believers tried to answer more than one out of a hundred questions of mine I'd lay off the hounding a tad. A shitty thing to say, I'm sure, but is why it's so fukkin frustrating to try to get on the same page as y'all religees sometimes - so fukkin selective in responses I kinda feel it necessary to ask several dozen questions at a time in the vain hope somebody will answer one of 'em at least 8)
Perhaps time for a lil more of the genius that is Greydon Square? Yup. I think so too
Greydon Square - Stockholm Syndrome
Chill me Xtian breadbins - this one is mostly slagging Islam rather than Christianity. Just to break up the SOP so far. If any passing Muslimist wants to put out a fatwah on me for posting such "heresy" then take it up with Mr Square... or perhaps more appropriately your Imam
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i dont tow the official party line regarding teachings as the church in my country has 0% credibility in my eyes following the sickening revelations re sex abuse and coverups.
why would i take orders from them? i dont really. i think for myself and use my own instincts based on life expierences and observations. i dont force anyone to believe anything but i wont be swayed from what i know or what people say i should be.
its all good
why would i take orders from them? i dont really. i think for myself and use my own instincts based on life expierences and observations. i dont force anyone to believe anything but i wont be swayed from what i know or what people say i should be.
its all good
this theology thread has turned into a debacle. i feel somewhat bad after i was critical of christian church i hope rass didnt take it personally i think he is on the ball and going places and ive nothing against him.
i am going to this gathering of young likeminded and hip christians. they played electric guitar and everything rock music but it praises de lord halleluyah everyone
im going to make some christian drum and bass. only for de head strong
then im going to bring my flock into the jungle .
hardcore christian junglistic fever vol 1
featuring
elllis dee
simon baseline smith
grooverider
on de dex
btw there is no god ....theres only the darkness and death
:'(
i am going to this gathering of young likeminded and hip christians. they played electric guitar and everything rock music but it praises de lord halleluyah everyone
im going to make some christian drum and bass. only for de head strong
then im going to bring my flock into the jungle .
hardcore christian junglistic fever vol 1
featuring
elllis dee
simon baseline smith
grooverider
on de dex
btw there is no god ....theres only the darkness and death
:'(
pinkpapaver
Bluelighter
i have to turn to the bible for readings at the moment. i want them to be nice ones. a nice one about jesus being nice, a psalm that's nice and a letter or old testament reading or both. I think I know just the man. brb
after bringing up the theology debate to my parents gaff today low and behold without knowing the details my dad made two points which echo what ptch&shambles said
a) do i even listen and think before i type?
b) wtf am i debating theology when i havnt studied the texts in detail and can backup my point?well i failed on both points and have ruined my peace of mind.
sorry to edd for derailing i am not well atm and need a pontifex/mugs style break :-\
a) do i even listen and think before i type?
b) wtf am i debating theology when i havnt studied the texts in detail and can backup my point?well i failed on both points and have ruined my peace of mind.
sorry to edd for derailing i am not well atm and need a pontifex/mugs style break :-\
Meh. Time for me to sleep another one off. Maybe if some of y'all believers tried to answer more than one out of a hundred questions of mine I'd lay off the hounding a tad. A shitty thing to say, I'm sure, but is why it's so fukkin frustrating to try to get on the same page as y'all religees sometimes - so fukkin selective in responses I kinda feel it necessary to ask several dozen questions at a time in the vain hope somebody will answer one of 'em at least 8)
I don't know if this is aimed at Acieed, but if it's referring to the whole thread I think thats a tad unfair. I've responded to a lot of your questions, and as I can tell you have a genuine interest in the subject have put a fair bit of effort into some of the replies.
Responding to every single question to everyone is impossible, because these kind of threads you have to put thought into your answers (You just know theres someone trying to pick you up on every small mistake).
I respond to the more relevent questions, because i do not have time to give a detailed response to every question on the forum.
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Shambles
Bluelight Crew
Wasn't referring to anyone in particular, Raas. All of y'all believers really. You've answered maybe two or three questions of mine out of several dozen so far. The "easy" ones, naturally
"Bad God" from the OT (misrepresented by non-xtian human beans (naturally) "proven" by... other Biblical passages that are somehow "known" to be accurate...) and did The Baby Jeebuz "change one jot of The Law" or not (again backed up by selected Biblical passages). Forgive me for not converting on the spot but I also had to do RE at primary school. At secondary too - maybe not all of y'all did?
Meh. Trying to debate Xtian theology with actual Xtians makes fishbarrel shooting seem sporting so will leave it be. It matters not a jot as if I had a Xtian soul it's damned for eternity no matter what. As is yours as it happens, Raas. You seem to have missed the bit of the rarely good book that spells it out very clearly. Deny the holy spirit and there's no way back. No being born again. No chance. Nothing. NT shiz so not even those pesky Pharisees can save ya. Hell for eternity. See you there... or not given it's distinct lack of existence
Would rather move on to other issues as trying to discuss Xtianity is beyond pointless given the average Xtain knowledge of their own religion. One question this time - a simple but open-ended one: What do y'all think about other religions and their devout believers?
And to finish, a lil more Greydon Square. No lyrics for this one cos couldn't find any. Suffice to say Venus in Furs sample + Douglas Adams namecheck = pure win
Greydon Square (feat. Gripp) - Speak to Him
"Bad God" from the OT (misrepresented by non-xtian human beans (naturally) "proven" by... other Biblical passages that are somehow "known" to be accurate...) and did The Baby Jeebuz "change one jot of The Law" or not (again backed up by selected Biblical passages). Forgive me for not converting on the spot but I also had to do RE at primary school. At secondary too - maybe not all of y'all did?
Meh. Trying to debate Xtian theology with actual Xtians makes fishbarrel shooting seem sporting so will leave it be. It matters not a jot as if I had a Xtian soul it's damned for eternity no matter what. As is yours as it happens, Raas. You seem to have missed the bit of the rarely good book that spells it out very clearly. Deny the holy spirit and there's no way back. No being born again. No chance. Nothing. NT shiz so not even those pesky Pharisees can save ya. Hell for eternity. See you there... or not given it's distinct lack of existence
Would rather move on to other issues as trying to discuss Xtianity is beyond pointless given the average Xtain knowledge of their own religion. One question this time - a simple but open-ended one: What do y'all think about other religions and their devout believers?
And to finish, a lil more Greydon Square. No lyrics for this one cos couldn't find any. Suffice to say Venus in Furs sample + Douglas Adams namecheck = pure win
Greydon Square (feat. Gripp) - Speak to Him
knock
Bluelighter
As a teenager searching for meaning, I toyed with the idea of joining The International Society for Krishna Consciousness, mainly because I love veggie food and the Krishna folks do some top-notch dal, but the swanky outfits were also appealing.
Read a few of their books. Which is what turned me right off. No sex! No drugs! And you're meant to cut off all attachments from the people in your "ordinary" life in preference for spending more time with celibates in orange clothing.
LSD and girls won the day...
When in Soho I do like to visit their restaurant though. Very cheap and tasty eats.
Read a few of their books. Which is what turned me right off. No sex! No drugs! And you're meant to cut off all attachments from the people in your "ordinary" life in preference for spending more time with celibates in orange clothing.
LSD and girls won the day...
When in Soho I do like to visit their restaurant though. Very cheap and tasty eats.
pinkpapaver
Bluelighter
^ them boys there are the very same ones i saw brawling on the streets of sligo at the fleadh.
ha, many years back me and my bezzie mate were strolling thru town when one tried to stop us by saying "ladies, ladies" my mate waved them on saying laters laters.
another time me and my son were walking thru town. my son had just been excluded from school for violent conduct. one stopped us and looked at my boy and said "ooh, you look like a nice calm chilled and relaxed young man" we just looked at each other and smiled and accepted his happy sticker. i think i bought 10
ha, many years back me and my bezzie mate were strolling thru town when one tried to stop us by saying "ladies, ladies" my mate waved them on saying laters laters.
another time me and my son were walking thru town. my son had just been excluded from school for violent conduct. one stopped us and looked at my boy and said "ooh, you look like a nice calm chilled and relaxed young man" we just looked at each other and smiled and accepted his happy sticker. i think i bought 10
You really are the most non-Christian Christian, ever, aren't you?
Shambles
Bluelight Crew
Knock: Have looked into any and all religion I've come across. Searching, as they say. Dunno what I'd be searching for, mind. Just that so many folk seem to be convinced there's "more" than the material. Closest I've come to owt like that involves heavy drug use. And tbh some of that stuff really has given me pause for thought. Nothing that even vaguely resembles any theology I've ever seen or heard of though. Is so much more... otherworldly and unhuman (as opposed to inhuman as in most religions) that I just don't know. Wouldn't even know where to begin when it comes to freaky drug "spirituality" stuffs cos it's just so utterly beyond anything else it's barely comprehensible... yet incredibly consistent and "real". When on the right drugs anyway. Are brains transmitters or receivers? I wonder sometimes...
And just to be true to form... another lil bit of Greydon. Cos he's great. This one ain't religious though. Still spattered through with sciencey stuff but nowt slagging religion this time. But posting it anyway cos he deserves the publicity
Greydon Square - 159 Bars
And just to be true to form... another lil bit of Greydon. Cos he's great. This one ain't religious though. Still spattered through with sciencey stuff but nowt slagging religion this time. But posting it anyway cos he deserves the publicity
Greydon Square - 159 Bars
I have never taken drugs and thought about god. I've gotten very drunk, after a night of pills and speed, and cried and screamed at the sky, asking why he was punishing me - a bit like Bruce Almighty. Other than that, not even drugs can make me believe in 'imaginary friends'. Even in my most suggestible states, it doesn't even creep in. Having it rammed down your throat, as a kid, will normally make you like this.
knock
Bluelighter
I've taken drugs and thought I am god several times. Dissociatives seem to be the key to that Pandora's box. Last Sunday night was the most recent occasion, ~40mg 3-MeO-PCP. Direct access to the low-level wiring that Terence McKenna used to go on about. Then some fuck texted me and the magic spell was broken. Sent some odd texts in the few minutes while I had one foot in this world and the other in that!
Quite a fucking cool feeling it is too.
Quite a fucking cool feeling it is too.
Shambles
Bluelight Crew
^ Dissociatives have been the key for me. Or at least part of the key. But given the nature of dissociatives it's no real surprise. But still leaves a nagging doubt I must admit...
Not talking about thinking about "god(s)" whilst twatted. Am talking about truly epic extended binges and combos and stuff just... happening. As I said, very hard to even begin to work out when it happens let alone try to explain to anybody else. The one thing I can assure you of is that none of it bears any relation - even in passing - to any established theology. And am including all that Terence McKenns style "elves" stuff too. So otherworldy. So concrete. So real. So unfathomable. So dislike anything else I've ever seen nor heard of. But is there time and time again...
All I can say for sure that if anything like that kinda stuff has any bearing on reality then none of us have owt to worry about. Is all but a game and we are the gods we imagine just playing with ourselves for shits and giggles. Literally. I was winning some time ago but seem to have slipped down the ranks of late. But picked up a bit just recently. As I said, it's not summat I could explain and don't "believe" any of it as such. But it's summat I truly cannot explain to myself no matter how much I focus on being drug-induced weird shit. Is too constant for that. I just go visit sometimes is all. Visit and glimpse at understanding anyway...
Which is possibly why I wonder so much at religions in general. So obviously false yet folk believe in 'em. Am I any different? Even though am far from convinced I'm not just half-crazed and fully drug-addled. Answers on a postcard...
Not talking about thinking about "god(s)" whilst twatted. Am talking about truly epic extended binges and combos and stuff just... happening. As I said, very hard to even begin to work out when it happens let alone try to explain to anybody else. The one thing I can assure you of is that none of it bears any relation - even in passing - to any established theology. And am including all that Terence McKenns style "elves" stuff too. So otherworldy. So concrete. So real. So unfathomable. So dislike anything else I've ever seen nor heard of. But is there time and time again...
All I can say for sure that if anything like that kinda stuff has any bearing on reality then none of us have owt to worry about. Is all but a game and we are the gods we imagine just playing with ourselves for shits and giggles. Literally. I was winning some time ago but seem to have slipped down the ranks of late. But picked up a bit just recently. As I said, it's not summat I could explain and don't "believe" any of it as such. But it's summat I truly cannot explain to myself no matter how much I focus on being drug-induced weird shit. Is too constant for that. I just go visit sometimes is all. Visit and glimpse at understanding anyway...
Which is possibly why I wonder so much at religions in general. So obviously false yet folk believe in 'em. Am I any different? Even though am far from convinced I'm not just half-crazed and fully drug-addled. Answers on a postcard...
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