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I have to admit it. iLove jesus too. I can't help it. Jesus was great.

I had the funneist/most ridiculous thing said to me by a child the other day. Iwas asking him about the snow, have you built a snoman, thrown some snowballs etc this weather? I thne said if you can feed the little birds. His reply was "we're not christians; we don't do that" childhood innocence or dangerous religious indoctrination at play? discuss :)
 
I have to admit it. iLove jesus too. I can't help it. Jesus was great.

I had the funneist/most ridiculous thing said to me by a child the other day. Iwas asking him about the snow, have you built a snoman, thrown some snowballs etc this weather? I thne said if you can feed the little birds. His reply was "we're not christians; we don't do that" childhood innocence or dangerous religious indoctrination at play? discuss :)

Absolute prime example of the hijacking of morality by religion, as we were discussing the other week. And yes, that's dangerous if we're breeding a generation afraid of doing good deeds for fear of being lumped in with people who believe fairy stories.
 
Totally agree, SHM. It's a shame when a child has that opinion about helping something/someone. I'm sure it's also down the parents not explaining stuff properly. My son knows my (basic) views on religion, but he also understands being a nice, caring person.
 
stop that; you're behaving like christians.

don't htink the little boy had any concept of feeding the birds to be all. what he did have a concept of was of difference. (and his difference being a better difference than mine.) I am just like jesus, i love the small children. one of my favourite fairy stories from the bible. :) I love oscar wilde's fairy stories .

(yeh, parents or school not explaining stuff properly. ) i also like "remember man that you are dust and to dust you shall return"
 
yeh, he's so famous. maybe it was to do with luck. time and place. or maybe he'd been turning too much of the disciples watwr into wine. one night they'd had too much wine and said it'd be gas crack to tell every one he was th son of god and all that jazz. it all went to far this game of dares.

does anyone remember the tv programme the second coming with christopher ecclestone? was really good. jesus came back. he was a manc. no happy ending. was good. but guess what? the church i used to go to had a petition up trying to get it banned.. and it was one of those priests i thought might have a bit of anopen mind
 
yeah he's so famous

=D

maybe it was to do with luck. time and place. or maybe he'd been turning too much of the disciples watwr into wine. one night they'd had too much wine and said it'd be gas crack to tell every one he was th son of god and all that jazz. it all went to far this game of dares.

I <3 your fairy stories PP.

Did you ever see Passion in Port Talbot with Michael Sheen? That's as close as I get to religion. Brilliantly done and he left a mark, changed a depressing little place in south Wales, for a long time to come. Probably be on around Christmas/Easter time, you know how it is.
 
Was actually Ismene that I learned that lil Buddhist nugget from, PTCH.

You disillusioned too shammy? I used to be quite keen on buddhism - read no end of buddhist books and a lot of the Dalai Lama, then I read an article about the feudal system they operated in Tibet - gouging eyes out and cutting their slaves hands off if they dared pinch the masters goat..and no that's not a euphemism :D
 
^ Was never illusioned with all the religious stuff in the first place but, like many, I often tend to give Buddhism a bit of a free pass as it's almost nearer philosophy than religion. Almost. Very few atheistic religions out there so can see the appeal to those that don't do the deity stuff. But they do have plenty iffiness in and amongst the more pleasing aspects sadly :\

If people mock you because your views completely oppose their own. Try not to retalliate and stoop to their level. It's not really the Christian thing to do.

And y'all Christians wonder why us heathens get somewhat irked by one of religion's cloest allies: totally unfounded sense of superiority and levels of patronisation that make even us famously patronisng and with totally unfounded sense of superiorty atheists wince =D;)<3

I much prefer this bit...

raas said:
Christian or atheist; we're all human. At the end of the day we're all in search of the truth. It's nice to hear opposing views, and any critique is only going to sharpen your own understanding.

marmz said:
what if there's a whole group of non christians and non others who aren't commenting because they don't want to add to the shitepile? cause they know it don't make a difference?

That'll be me for one. :\

I disagree. There's hope for everyone even if it takes another coupla millennia to get there. Has to start somewhere. Plus, after a lifetime of quite deep fascination for and study of the whole topic it's nice to be able to have a wee vent now and then. Or, for the religious folk amongst us, to give them a chance to maybe save a soul. Bit of a longshot admittedly. Especially given that bit of the not-so-good book that guarantees folk like me a prime spot in Hell no matter what. Denying the Holy Spirit is apparently the only sin that is utterly unforgivable no matter what happens. Not that I'd expect anything less from such a stroppy cunt of a deity, mind :D

Absolute prime example of the hijacking of morality by religion, as we were discussing the other week. And yes, that's dangerous if we're breeding a generation afraid of doing good deeds for fear of being lumped in with people who believe fairy stories.

Not gotten round to the promised explanation/defence of my comments to Ms Halo about secular morality being intrinsically superior to religious morality as it's based in demonstrable fact and practical experience rather than dictated by mythical beings and horribly uberconservative patriarchal hierarchies by fiat. Instead I'll let a fella give any who are interested a brief but clear explanation of it on my behalf: Matt Dillahunty - The Source of Secular Morality. Not exactly in-depth but is short and quite entertaining for a talk on morality - there's plenty of other stuff about that goes into great depth but can be a bit of a chore unless you're really interested in such stuff.

And finally (cos this post wasn't quite long enough :D) how's about a lovely lil tune that sums up many of my thoughts on the whole religion thing :)

Greydon Square - The Kardashev Scale

Lyrics nsfw'd for length...

NSFW:
Every 311 trillion 40 billion years
I manifest, un-manifest, then reappear
This time around I'm 15 billion years old
From a place in the multiverse where reference points are zero
The only gods in this bitch are us
We are the species in the labs creating shit from dust
I can build a whole universe in C++
Delete the source code, in a repetitive series of cycles
You believe in virgin birth
Why can't you believe that I hack into the internet of a another universe's Earth?
Spit with reckless abandon
Describe my span the distance sandwiched between stars and exo-planets
Be prepared when you step into duel
Is life the rule of thumb or the exception to the rule?
Seems like an awful waste of space if it just is
We still believe pages from when they wre just making this shit up
And so we're clear that your thoughts are private class functions
In case the programming analogies haven't sunk in
I'll take you as far back as you can take it
Back when the space we currently occupy was ancient
Everything you ever knew of only happened on this one planet
Found out you evolved and jumped into a panic
For real witness the birth of homo sapiens offspring
Cyborgs destined to roam the stars like star scream
If God can be self-caused, so can the universe
Ya'll can't think anything yourself, you need a ruler first
My lyrics behave like particles and waves
Every field theory untitled on one page
Dogmatic faith is dying or dead already
The last remaining are telling us to get our weapons ready
Because I doubt they are going down without a fight
Them in the future is us in the dark without a light
You don't want me to tell you what battle's like
Life and death data relayed over globally positioned satellites
You don't know when it's going down so you travel light
It's easy to send troops if you believe in afterlife
If I have to erupt, you'll see the flash at night
Half the time I have half the mind to try to stab the mic
Human beings open sourced running updates
You might be living a simulation, define the substrate
You might as well adopt extropian principles
I always asked why until I was sent to the principal's
The likelihood of what they're trying to sell is miniscule
It's minimal, I just try to inform you in general
The counter arguments I hear are just pitiful
They just give us something else to reticule
Lyrically I'm sinning too
Yeah that's what they say
Name any other emcees whose lyrics they debate
Turn it up, what the neighbors gonna say?
Before you listen to Grey, tuck your faith safe away in a safe
Because I'm coming for it
You gave your allegiance in exchange and got nothing for it
That's why it's so abhorrent
At first they knew they had to break the African women
She in-turn would break the African younglings
The result, we had to latch on to something
Keep the body, take the mind
Like soldiers training breaking slaves in ancient times
Let's take a journey up the Kardashev scale
United type 2 resources building Dyson spheres
And I won't live to see it but it's nice to hear
Everybody who would have had the right to be there
That's why you frightened and scared
Your obsolete beliefs will die with you
And your grandchildren will simply outgrow the God issue
No longer taboo to touch religion
The only thing we need left is an uprising in Muslim women


<3

PS: Bonus points for anyone who knows what The Kardashev Scale is without googling it ;)
 
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raas said:
If people mock you because your views completely oppose their own. Try not to retalliate and stoop to their level. It's not really the Christian thing to do
shambles said:
And y'all Christians wonder why us heathens get somewhat irked by one of religion's cloest allies: totally unfounded sense of superiority and levels of patronisation that make even us famously patronisng and with totally unfounded sense of superiorty atheists wince =D;)<3

Sorry that did sound a bit high and mighty; but you misunderstand what i was saying (Which probably says more about my descriptive skills at 2:18am than anything else)

Was telling Acieed not to stoop so low to those who come on here to mock his views, rather than dispute them. I'm saying those who mock views are low, whether that be an atheist or a Christian retaliating. I refer to his Christiannity because he's wasn't being particularly 'Christian' in his responses.
 
Your doctor is talking shit, for one. 'Messing with your wiring'? With opiates? Not at all, maybe some temporary changes, but no rewiring. Remember, GPs generally don't know a lot, especially about recreational drugs.

I think a Christian-based rehab centre is like preying on the weak and vulnerable, and a lot of these people only grab a bible as a last resort - like The Church of Scientology do. Pretty wrong.
 
treacle i 100% agree of course they are praying on vunerable homeless addicts i first met victory outreach in 2000 when i lost my job and home and was roughing in on the streets.
they did provide a soup run staffed by anericans and ex addicts and tbh cos i spent all my dole on drugs back then i relied on their charity
the even had a recovery house i in the countryside outside dublin. all the rents and leases were paid by very generous celibrity christian donations and ftom street collecting.
ex clients told me to avoid them as they are considered the end of the line last resort centre for hardcore injecting street addicts.
cold turkey withdrawals no caffiene or anything and tobacco rationed sounds like brainwashing to me.
they even had to wear signs round their neck if they got caught theiving not nice.one addict told me he had to wear a placard that read "i dont know if im coming or going" wtf like
if u think i wud go there u must be joking
 
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Don't even get me going on the abortion (yes, that is a deliberately infammatory word but with good reason imo and the facts speak for themselves) that is 12 Step programmes. How the fuck they get away with it is beyond me. Before anyone says it, yes I do realise it works for some. I seriously doubt most who currently favour that approach are aware of how bad it is though...

According to AA's own (leaked cos they're too fukkin ashamed to release 'em themselves) statistics, AA has an average "success" rate of ~2%. The figure comes not from ones they don't mind advertising a bit (ie the very shortterm ones) but rather the 5 year plus ones they keep very quiet about. As a comparison, going cold turkey with no assistance from anyone - not even replacement therapies or medical assitance or counselling of any kind - has ~5% success rate. NA's stats are pretty much identical. Yes that really does show that going the 12 Step route less than halves the chances of an addict not only quitting but actually staying quit. You couldn't make it up :\

The reason for this is blindingly obvious for anyone that knows the actual 12 Steps the approach is named after. Is essentially religious fundamentalism - complete with utter self-loathing and ridiculous levels of guilt-tripping and lifelong shame - barely disguised as anything else. And no I don't just mean that "higher power" bullshit. Although that is a praticularly pernicious aspect. Telling addicts it's literally impossible to deal with their own issues and only complete faith that a mythical being is capable of "saving" you from your problems is so far beyond disgusting it's untrue. You may as well condemn us all to lifelong revolving door addictions cos that's all those bullshit programmes provide. The occasional "success" story aside, 12 Step meetings tend to be a stream of unending self-obsessed browbeating and guilt-tripping from a bunch of recently brainwashed converts (soon to be horribly disapponted) and oldtimers who've been in and out of the vile system for a lifetime and still hate themselves so go back and forth trying to find this supposed help from "a higher power" that never arrives (for obvious reasons).

I could go on at considerable length but if you thought I bitch on a bit about religion in general it's possibly best to avoid the whole 12 Step subject cos is one of the religious institutions I despise the most. And can back it up with cold, hard fact from their own shameful record rather than pissing about debating the number of angels who can dance on the head of a pin as with standard religious stuff.

/rant
 
shammy how are yer :-P

i agree with majority of what u said above but one v close pal has got 5 years sobriety from booze from aa and he is only 27 he is a massive tattoed bloke like a bull never took drugs or steroids and another good mate is like me always slipping be he attends meetings 7 days a week, me mb one hmmmm.

i dont knock na i did for 12 years and look where that got me
btw athiests in na/aa's higher power can be the group concience not anything religious but they mostly are christians or other religions in aa/na
i was at a convention where a bloke who will remain nameless gave his testimony on his life in new york and la during the 70's and 80's as a musician
wow i was hanging off every word :-) he asked us to write a private note on paper and he was going to burn them under some huge old tree in california and do some native indian ritual.
he was ine peaceful and facinating mofo. listening to his wisdom and his non christian native american spirituality got me all dances with wolves scenarios in my head :-)
my apache name is dances with tears in his eyes


*cancel that last joke its shit
 
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I think a Christian-based rehab centre is like preying on the weak and vulnerable, and a lot of these people only grab a bible as a last resort - like The Church of Scientology do. Pretty wrong.

15 pages I didn't read anything apart from a few pages adding to the pile.

I agree, some people experience things in life, can't handle it and seek religion such as Christianity as their way of coping and not being afraid of certain things such as death. Or just use it as a tool like loads of other things to benefit themselves.

In my opinion, just like many others, in 1000s of years Christianity, while it possibly is now, will have morphed into another religion or just die out. It probably already has to a point but I don't know enough about it. Christianity didn't do it for me, it was too inconsistent from what I was being told. Also I felt it was manipulative, as they tried to reel you in from a young age...but I think it's the same for many other religions? You don't know enough about anything to be having things like that forced upon you e.g. a communion trying to make people do certain things etc. It's all been corrupt from early days, from money to whatever, I think of many religions. At least in the past thousand years.

I like to speculate but I don't know what the answer to religions etc are, but at the same time you don't know and there you go you'll find out someday so create your own morals. Something made something and it can be whatever from a gas to a creature. Science changes all the time too. Most things are corrupt in some form, so it's your own choice.

Haha reading these pages back some funny posts.

Did I not tell you earlier that a Jew is such a noble, precious jewel that God and all the angels dance when he farts?

-Martin Luther (On the Jews and Their Lies)
 
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Acieed: As I said, yes there are obviously a few "successful" 12 Steppers but when put in context the whole thing is an embarrassment to it's uber-godbothering origins (for anybody that doesn't know the history of these programmes just look it up - it stems from such a ridiculously conservative Christian fundamentalist group they're mostly extinct now but their vile legacy remains and seems to be gaining ever more influence amongst the politicunts since folk like Russell Brand have waxed lyrical about it publicly :\).

Congrats on noticing the one bloke in your group who lasted more than the five years. Just don't forget the other 98% who didn't make it who statistically would've had a chance without all the shame and guilt and general bullshit. It's those poor cunts I feel sorry for. It's not their fault that they were probably only given the option of extreme Christian-based abstinence programmes. Makes my blood boil far hotter than just bogstandard religious delusions as it has such obvious detrimental effect on folk I actualy know rather than bogstandard religees of who I've only ever met one in the flesh. Actually I didn't just meet her I went out with her for a few months. Used to stand outside the local happyclappy emporium waiting for her whilst she did her thang and put up with her fukkin Christian rock music she played constantly in the car. Now that's what I call religious tolerance 8o
 
15 pages I didn't read anything apart from a few pages adding to the pile.

I agree, some people experience things in life, can't handle it and seek religion such as Christianity as their way of coping and not being afraid of certain things such as death. Or just use it as a tool like loads of other things to benefit themselves.

In my opinion, just like many others, in 1000s of years Christianity, while it possibly is now, will have morphed into another religion or just die out. It probably already has to a point but I don't know enough about it. Christianity didn't do it for me, it was too inconsistent from what I was being told. Also I felt it was manipulative, as they tried to reel you in from a young age...but I think it's the same for many other religions? You don't know enough about anything to be having things like that forced upon you e.g. a communion trying to make people do certain things etc. It's all been corrupt from early days, from money to whatever, I think of many religions. At least in the past thousand years.

I like to speculate but I don't know what the answer to religions etc are, but at the same time you don't know and there you go you'll find out someday so create your own morals. Something made something and it can be whatever from a gas to a creature. Science changes all the time too. Most things are corrupt in some form, so it's your own choice.

Haha reading these pages back some funny posts.
This is exactly the reason me and my kid's mum didn't get my kid Christened. It's not on, in my opinion. When people ask what my issue is with it, they're normally met with 'You're forcing your child to believe in a God they know fuck-all about, and you have no right. Let them choose what to do, when they're older, or you end up with someone like me'. Haha. I put my nearing anti-theist ways down to having it forced on me. 'I don't want to go to church, I don't like it.' 'Tough, you're going.' Not the way to make a child into a Christian - more like the opposite. Whether it was a way of beating the ADHD out of me, or whether it was just because my mum was brought up Catholic... Who knows? I know I hate it more and more, each day that passes.

What do you people with kids tell them? If you're a Christian, do you try and force them to follow it? If you're an atheist, do you try and teach that? I have done, personally. My kid goes to a school where 99% of the kids are Muslim (really not my choice), as he had to move around a bit. I have no issue with skin colour, but I do have an issue with children telling my son that he's going to hell, for believing in Santa. It makes me fucking sick that people teach their kids to say that to other people, and pick on them. I've basically told him it's all shit, and he's intelligent enough to understand why (proof, dinosaurs, etc.). I don't want to raise him as an anti-theist - if he wants to believe in a religion, then that's fine, as long as he's old enough. I'd certainly try and talk him out of it, though, if he tried Christ out. He's very similar to how I was, as a kid, and even the way I am now (unlucky fucker, eh?). ;)

Acid: Their practices; cold turkey and sign wearing (?!) sound fucking abhorrent. You have my sympathies with all that, and I can understand how 'they' got you with all that shit. Do you believe you'd be a Christian, if it wasn't for drugs?
 
This is exactly the reason me and my kid's mum didn't get my kid Christened. It's not on, in my opinion. When people ask what my issue is with it, they're normally met with 'You're forcing your child to believe in a God they know fuck-all about, and you have no right. Let them choose what to do, when they're older, or you end up with someone like me'. Haha. I put my nearing anti-theist ways down to having it forced on me. 'I don't want to go to church, I don't like it.' 'Tough, you're going.' Not the way to make a child into a Christian - more like the opposite. Whether it was a way of beating the ADHD out of me, or whether it was just because my mum was brought up Catholic... Who knows? I know I hate it more and more, each day that passes.

Similar to me, actually having to go and hear it all etc is one of the big reasons why I quickly stopped believing it in my opinion.
 
fyi i never did any christian rehab i ate their sandwichs only.
i done a few detox's in hosp on lockdown wards over the years but my rehab was over 12 yrs ago and was 6 weeks u will never catch me doin 9 months never.
i aint got the patience for dat see right thru it
 
Not aware of any standard Christian rehabs that require lengthy inpatient treatment, Acieed. I suspect that may be more common over your side of the waters from I. Thankfully, even though it's gaining credibilty due to celebrity endorsements that the politicunts always go in for, it's still almost unheard of to be offered shite like that a handful of miles and a few centuries away over here. (I do realise that last comment could conceivably be seen as somewhat racist (at a push) but it's kinda hard not to notice the levels of religious intolerance still prevalent even today so close to home... But as a mere close cousin who's never been to visit me Celtic breadbins I totally accept that may be mostly media bullshit and apologise if that is the case)

Is one thing arguing the toss over some long dead ancient wankers' opinion on nothing that matters but when such bollocks actually affects people in the here and now I get somewhat more pissed off than usual about it all. Most of my objections to the whole religion thing (and I by no mean just the Xtian version - I include all religions - it's just that I know most about the most common version I'm familar with) are kinda esoteric with the real-life issues being mostly stuff that happens to folk I'd never meet... but when it comes to the way addiction is treated it hits home just a tad harder...
 
So, if it wasn't rehab that got you into God, what actually happened? I'm not prying (maybe a bit). :) Just interested in what makes a person's brain flick over to God TV.

I once fucked a Mormon. I'd known her a couple of minutes, we were sober, and it was in her bathroom. Possibly one of the quickest pulls, ever. Fact is, I didn't even intend to do it - it was literally offered to me, by nudity. She must have hated her religion. Why does stuff like this not happen to me now?!
 
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