EADD Theology Megathread - Book II - Exodus

[NightsEpiphany]

Perhaps there's something better than sex. Maybe we'll look back on it and see it as a beautiful but unsophisticated way of expressing ecstasy and love. Most of us scoffed our faces on sweets as kids but dont bother now. ( 'most of us' she says tucking into a bag of haribo wine gums)

I don't think theres anything wrong with sex as long as we're disciplined with it.

 

[Bearlove]

Perhaps there's something better than sex. Maybe we'll look back on it and see it as a beautiful but unsophisticated way of expressing ecstasy and love. Most of us scoffed our faces on sweets as kids but dont bother now. ( 'most of us' she says tucking into a bag of haribo wine gums)

I don't think theres anything wrong with sex as long as we're disciplined with it.

Making love can be better than having sex. Sex can be an empty act, devoid of any emotional feelings other than physical stimulation.

 

[NightsEpiphany]

If youre not in it body, mind and soul yeah I can see that.

 

[Raasyvibe]

Speak for yourself mate - If you think that sexuality is an illusion you really should not follow that claim up with 'Christianity' has taught you something. Surely religion is the biggest illusion ?

If I'm asexual that's one hell (pun intended) of a deception.

Perhaps there's something better than sex. Maybe we'll look back on it and see it as a beautiful but unsophisticated way of expressing ecstasy and love. Most of us scoffed our faces on sweets as kids but dont bother now.

It can be assimilated approximated to eating a sweet. You may love fruit pastels. But that's only an illusion - the taste, look and feel is all created by the brain. Really they're just unrefined sugar and articifical colours that will send your blood/sugar ratio to uncomfortable levels.

Likewise, sexual desire is very illusional. Though amongst it's complex, it's possible to find real companionship and care for one another. It's these experiences which we consider real and above the flesh, and what Christians should look for.

Sex, as reduced to an illusional, animalistic desire leads many into a disadvantage. Because in this physical way we are not equal, and the desire can lead to the suffering of others. When people get treated as subordinate they become bitter and this can lead them into evil and sin - this is currently where my interest and activity as a Christian lies IRL. To help free people from the illusion, free them of low self-esteem and love themselves so they do not need to sin.

 

[knock]

Just because something is created in the brain, does not make it an illusion. It is a real thing, created in the brain. The brain is real, as are its doings.

Are you saying that you're trying to get people to ignore their lustful attractions to the physical body? Good luck with that. You sound like a puritan. And it does not make us unequal. People have different ideas of beauty. You and I could sit and watch the ladies go by, you'd see some girl and tell me she's hot, I'd tell you I think you're nuts. You are nuts, but that's not the point. The point is that even the people you think are ugly, there is someone out there who wants to shag them. You're fighting windmills. Stop it.

 

[lurching]

It can be assimilated approximated to eating a sweet. You may love fruit pastels. But that's only an illusion - the taste, look and feel is all created by the brain. Really they're just unrefined sugar and articifical colours that will send your blood/sugar ratio to uncomfortable levels.

Likewise, sexual desire is very illusional. Though amongst it's complex, it's possible to find real companionship and care for one another. It's these experiences which we consider real and above the flesh, and what Christians should look for.

Sex, as reduced to an illusional, animalistic desire leads many into a disadvantage. Because in this physical way we are not equal, and the desire can lead to the suffering of others. When people get treated as subordinate they become bitter and this can lead them into evil and sin - this is currently where my interest and activity as a Christian lies IRL. To help free people from the illusion, free them of low self-esteem and love themselves so they do not need to sin.

Pretty long winded way of saying "I am raasexual".

 

[knock]

Everyone of us is alive because a woman and a man somehow got it in their heads to have sex with each other. Almost without exception (and there are exceptions, I admit, but they're a minority), we all have genes that have come from people who were fuckable. It's just a matter of finding someone with sufficiently poor eyesight.

 

[Raasyvibe]

^ +1 (To lurching) Bit of an irky comment. It's no new concept. The whole spirit above the flesh/dissociate from animal desires is a predominant religious issue, across religions for thousands of years. Just because I adhere and believe in it doesn't make me "raasexual".

Just because something is created in the brain, does not make it an illusion. It is a real thing, created in the brain. The brain is real, as are its doings.

The brain invents false realities so that you can re-produce, eat and survive. It makes good food tasty, it makes people more sexually attractive if their good to carry your babies etc

We have also been given the intelligence to recognise this, and work past it to allow compassion for fellow human rule.

Are you saying that you're trying to get people to ignore their lustful attractions to the physical body? Good luck with that. You sound like a puritan. And it does not make us unequal.

Of course it makes us inequal (On a physical basis). If you're HAD to have sex with one woman, you wouldn't tell me "I don't mind who it is, we're all equal". You'd undoubtedly look for someone who is physically superior. Obviously taste varies from person to person, but generally we can differentiate from what is attractive and what is not.

That's why it's unfair. That's why people get hurt. And religious belief gives me the confidence and enthusiasm to follow through these ideals. To live like a spiritual person, not an animal.

 

[knock]

Of course it makes us inequal (On a physical basis). If you're HAD to have sex with one woman, you wouldn't tell me "I don't mind who it is, we're all equal".

Well that's exactly what I did not say.

You'd undoubtedly look for someone who is physically superior.

What the fuck do you mean "superior"? I know I am attracted to women that (some) other men do not find attractive. But it's not because they are inferior, I think their tastes are fucked too! Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Am I just making this up or have you heard it somewhere before?

Obviously taste varies from person to person, but generally we can differentiate from what is attractive and what is not.

No, you are wrong. I have seen porn designed for "the masses". Pneumatic tits, pouty-lipped blondes, high heels. My cock remains soft. There is a media-promoted image of "standard attractiveness" but it's bullshit, the fact you've swallowed it makes me sad for you.


Fucking hell. I see it on TV all the time, some girl that's supposed to be "hot" and honestly as far as I am concerned they are as plain as vanilla.

 

[Raasyvibe]

Of course it makes us inequal (On a physical basis). If you're HAD to have sex with one woman, you wouldn't tell me "I don't mind who it is, we're all equal".

Well that's exactly what I did not say.

But you did. You really did.

My point was that - on an evolutional scale of fuckability - we're inequal - which is a given really.

But you told me other wise

Are you saying that you're trying to get people to ignore their lustful attractions to the physical body? Good luck with that. You sound like a puritan. And it does not make us unequal. People have different ideas of beauty.

Now I accept there is a large room for margin. Yes. Few strange fetishes here and there. Yes.

But as a whole, undoubtedly, most men would rather fuck her:

Than her

The aforementioned girl has an evolutionary advantage. But underneath the skin they are equal. But if we keep lusting over the hot blonde babe it becomes devaluing for the other intelligent nice girls who aren't so favoured evolutionary.


This is why as Christians we dissociate from desires which stem from greed. Treat all people as equals, and stay away from evolutionary desire which discriminates.


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Sorry I know all this is painstakingly obvious but I don't feel you're understanding me here.

 

[knock]

Raas, your second image does not work, because the site has disallowed hot linking.

But you're being asbolutely fucking ridiculous. That's not about standards of beauty. The second woman is (pretend, I'm pretty sure) deformed! Really, if that is your fight, fine, we have no argument. Make love to fire/crash victims. But I think there are already websites devoted to that stuff.


edit: if you ignore the blemishes that poor woman picked up in the make up department, the second lady is yet another "hollywood stunner". I am able to see that. Are you?



If this is the stuff christians obsess over, thank fuck I am not one.

 

[StoneHappyMonday]

People aren't "favoured evolutionary". Mainstream standards of what constitutes beauty are arbitrarily set by the culture of the day. Rubens painted fat bastards because fat bastards were deemed sexy in his day.

Raas there's so much wrong with what you're saying...Imma leave it to knock.

 

[knock]

Imma leave it to knock.

I think I've about had enough, there's a big dent in the wall where I keep banging my head :D

 

[Raasyvibe]

People aren't "favoured evolutionary". Mainstream standards of what constitutes beauty are arbitrarily set by the culture of the day. Rubens painted fat bastards because fat bastards were deemed sexy in his day.

If you read my post properly, you'd have notice I said:

Now I accept there is a large room for margin. Yes. Few strange fetishes here and there. Yes.

Obviously tastes vary; across cultures. But good genes do help determine who's more likely to get attention from the opposite sex when they're a bit older. I'm pretty shocked you're denying that.

And before you tell me "Oh no, that's not what i'm saying": You are. Your disagreeing with me, when I say our evolutional background helps determine who is attractive and who is not.

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Raas, your second image does not work, because the site has disallowed hot linking.

But you're being asbolutely fucking ridiculous. That's not about standards of beauty. The second woman is deformed! Really, if that is your fight, fine, we have no argument. Make love to fire/crash victims. But I think there are already websites devoted to that stuff.

I'm illustrating differences in physical attraction, and how it creates inequality. Due to our genes, or in this case a fire accident, physical lust favours one over another.

It's stark obvious. At school there's particular boys and girls that are popular, for no other reason than their evolutionary advantage of fine genes. As attention is drawn to them, the less evolutionary favoured will inevitable get a bit upset about it.

Further from the playground analogy, there are people who grow up to develop real self-esteem issues, which can make them feel like they have to change and causes all sorts of problems... Physical desire can be a very nasty game

feel we're bickering a little OTT for what's surely an agreeable, known part of life?

 

[knock]

I left school a long time ago.

Who's upset? Are you upset? There was a girl at my school who suffered terrible acne. It scarred her face. I'm pretty sure she is married with kids now. People already behave in much better ways than you seem to think they do. Leave them alone. Stop preaching to people, they don't need it!

And learn to read. You argue against a flawed perception of other's posts, not the posts themselves. You've misinterpreted me in this short discussion. No wonder people lose their patience with you.

 

[Raasyvibe]

I'm sorry but you mis-percieved my post many times also, and induced a head-banging or 2.

I'm a Christian posting in a drugs forum. Of course I'll be in the minority and people will have difficulty accepting what I say. If it was in a Christian sex forum, it would be completely different.

I'm not preaching or saying all people are bad either. I am discussing philosophy on a theology thread. That is all. Sorry you're not relating to my thoughts on the matter.

 

[StoneHappyMonday]

Raas you accuse others of being shallow but it's you reducing attraction to a beauty gene pool. It's your own shallowness your fighting against and dealing with.

Over and out.

 

[knock]

Raas, let's just go back and sort this thing out.

You are claiming that people are unequal in the beauty stakes.

I am saying that generally that is not true. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

That's a scientific fact. Beauty has to be in the eye of the beholder. We know this because different people find different people attractive. The only explanation is that the beauty thing happens in people's heads.

So, here's another scientific fact. Every one of us has genes from our parents. Those parents fucked. And that fucking goes back a long way, to the start of life on the planet, that's billions of years.

All those fuckers fancied each other. So we all have genes that came from fuckable people. There are exceptions but this is the general rule.

OK? If you're going to argue with me, please address this. You have failed to do so.

There are a few mutants out there, who admittedly might find a hard time getting their end away. If you want to shag them, that is very good of you and I applaud your efforts. But we're talking small fry here.

 

[BecomingJulie]

If this is the stuff christians obsess over, thank fuck I am not one.

Amen!

 

[Bearlove]

I'm sorry but you mis-percieved my post many times also, and induced a head-banging or 2.

I'm a Christian posting in a drugs forum. Of course I'll be in the minority and people will have difficulty accepting what I say. If it was in a Christian sex forum, it would be completely different.

I'm not preaching or saying all people are bad either. I am discussing philosophy on a theology thread. That is all. Sorry you're not relating to my thoughts on the matter.

why would you assume that you would be in the minority ? Because your a Christian ? Do other religions accept drug use more openly / do you accept that / do you accept your own use of drugs is accepted by your god?

As a Christian do you not believe that god created you in it's image / is your life not already planned out for you? Do you believe in free will ?