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EADD O-Desmethyltramadol Thread

aye, ive also received a 'headsup' warning kind of pm, which was appreciated, we all know this type of stuff, its just sometimes not at the forefront of our minds, at exactly the danger times like this, where you get a 'trigger point' set of circumstances: just been sacked, feeling pretty shit, suddenly got loads of free time, and got a bit of cash, right now it would be very easy to 'let myself go' completely, on some kind of big self pitying downward spiral, letting my dose spiral upwards for weeks/months until my money runs out. It wouldnt help my problems atall, obvioulsy it would make everthing much worse in fact. Thanks all for voicing your concerns, worries and facts.

But as Shambles said I've already been there with ODT. Last time round, I went a few months before i stopped/ transferred to something else. It'll be much easier if i stop very soon (like the day after tomorrow, i will use tomorrow to psyche myslef up and get into a better frame of mind) both psycholically and physically. Its only been a couple of weeks (i think) of dayly use, so the w/ds should be pretty minimal at this stage, plus i have kratom to transfer over to, which may cushion things if not altogether then to a large extent, hopefully. Last time i quit ODT it wasnt out of choice, it was because the stocks dried up, and my personal-use stockpile ran out, this time it will be a conscious decision to stop. My dose has gradually spiralled to roughly 0.5 grams a day over the last couple of weeks or so.
 
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lurching said:
Apart from that point, I'll re-state that O-dt is a relatively strong opioid. The O-dt + benzo + alcohol combo felt to me just as dangerous as if the O-dt were swapped for morphine or H. Nods, ultra slow breathing, real stoned. Lots of potential for oversedation and just a bad cocktail to play with, especially if you live alone and aren't 100% conscientious (and you will not be 100% conscientious if you are redosing).
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Good point, i was aleady aware of this in a back of the mind kind of way. Now its right @ the forefont. Incasse of respiratory failure id bettter not just bosh my usual etiz bedtime dose, which i possibly would have done otherwise were it not for your post. Come to think of it ive taken my largest dose yet of ODT today on this current run, so I'd definatley better wait a bit before i bosh my etiz, I might be completely fine, but it is risky, so thanks for reminding me of this Lurching.

Edit: The nods are fading away fast now, i might try sleeping without any etiz, but if that doesnt work, i'll take a mcuh reduced dose a bit later on. Is pulse rate BPM any use atall in gauging the state of ones respiratory system? It may be a very dumb question, but i know the 2 things are related, obviously if my BPM is like 30 or something then no way am i taking any more downers. Shoud be fine by now though, as ive perked up quite a lot as the ODT wears off, ive taken my etiz in far worse states than this and been fine, but my counsellor told me that w/e dose somone may have taken in the past, it doesnt neccesarily always mean that you can assume that that same dose will always be safe again in the future. I dint know that before she mentioned it, but its a good bit of information to be aware of imo, even if i dint ask her for more details as to why that was the case, obvioulsy there must be allsorts of variables that can come into it.
 
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Yeah, I was very sick from W/Ds after just a gram of the stuff.
Main effect I can remember from ODT was just nodding hard. Wasn't particularly euphoric. Nicer buzz off codeine IMO!
 
A week or so back i was going to ask if this ODT would of been of any use as a tool to come off the gear/meth with due to its milder sounding effects... i forgot to ask and it would appear itd leave me in a worse state than before..

Mad how withdrawals kick in off such a small amount...
 
Fucking hell, so if you're gonna use it, you may as well use it for a couple of weeks anyway, seeing as the w/ds are gonna be bad w/e. I'll let you's all know soon what the w/ds after 2 weeks of use, ending up using just over a gram every 2 days, so i got through a fair few grams. I dont remember any talk of bad w/ds from 500mg or 1g last time round. Very strange:?

Im also finding it less euphoric this time round, but been nodding very hard though yeah. I think what i did last time was build up a bit of tolerance, and then take a lower dose of odt and drank it with some lagers, the combination gave a much more euphoric buzz than either subtstance alone did. Ive noticed that odt seems to accumulate in your body throghout the day, so the first dose might not do much, but there seems to be much greater returnns on the 2nd and 3rd redoses of the day.
 
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ODT seems to have a surprisingly long half life, i woke up today with that lovely itch that feels so good to scratch. Going to have to stop all this very soon though before i start getting in too deep, which will make it that much harder to get out again. With the apparenly long half life, does anyone know when the physical w/ds start kicking in?
 
A rat studies quotes a ~9hr half-life but there's not much out there really. I noticed a study published four months ago, but haven't read it yet:

Identification of mitragynine and O-desmethyltramadol in Kratom and legal high products sold online. Drug Testing and Analysis, 06/2014

A sorta salient quote here:

We believe that the addition of the potent mu-receptor agonist O-desmethyltramadol to powdered leaves from Kratom contributed to the unintentional death of the nine cases presented
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I know memories are often unreliable but it does seem as if this batch is a lot lower on euphoria, and a lot higher on sedation, than the original batches a few years ago. I also have no recollection of people reporting w/d problems from using small quantities over a limited timeframe - but then perhaps it was mainly being used by opiate/opioid naive people who were able to get away with playing around with it for longer without noticeable repurcusions?
 
mydrugbuddy said:
ODT seems to have a surprisingly long half life, i woke up today with that lovely itch that feels so good to scratch. Going to have to stop all this very soon though before i start getting in too deep, which will make it that much harder to get out again. With the apparenly long half life, does anyone know when the physical w/ds start kicking in?
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How long have you been using it for? Can't be more than a few weeks, can it?

I'd be surprised if you came away with any significant withdrawals. This is only a partial agonist we're talking about after all.
 
No, its just over a couple of weeks. I'd be surprised too, it's just that a couple of people mentioned above that they got surprsingly intense but shortlived w/ds after using just 500mg or 1gram. As somone else mentioned that may have been because these inidviduals werent opiate naive to begin with, perhaps last time round there were more opiate naive people trying it, and so they were able to have a brief dabble without reporting any w/ds that i can recall.
 
I don't think tramadol / ODT sends people who aren't opiate naive into withdrawal anyway. Certainly doesn't with me - I could happily pop trams for two weeks and come out smelling of roses, whereas five days on heroin would leave me in a mess.

Remember that is isn't an opiate or opioid in the strict sense. People use tramadol during opiate withdrawal, with immense benefits. I believe those cases of 'brief but intense withdrawal' were something else entirely.
 
As I said, I wouldn't necessarily think my particularly bumpy landing would be a universal thing by any means. I get into w/d territory stupidly rapidly with any and all opies - including tramadol and apparently now also ODT - these days. Just struck me as being especially intense and full-on for such incredibly brief and light use so perhaps worth mentioning for sheer oddness. I'm very glad I had a smidge of codeine to smooth over the worst of the bumps a bit anyway. Was quite unpleasant enough even so.

I can't compare with the previous batches cos never did get around to trying but I was actually rather impressed with the effects in general. Pisses from a great height over tramadol and felt nothing much like it at all to me. Or perhaps felt what like tramadol could be like if it wasn't so damnably unpleasant. I wouldn't say I found ODT euphoric as such but I certainly felt good on it. More of a "just feeling good" feeling than actual euphoria. Didn't feel at all forced but when interacting with other people I did notice I was unusually chatty 'n' chirpy and generally a bit keen all-round. Given the background situation this was especially unusual and there's really nothing else I could put it down to other than the ODT. Same goes for those "w/d symptoms" mind.

Oh, also didn't really get any sedation (and was generally knackered so probably should have) but mostly felt very alert without feeling exactly stimulated. My doses were never especially huge though so I guess extremes at either end of the spectrum would be unlikely.
 
Well thats all my ODT gone. I definately found it different this time round. I distinctly remember the last time i had it that i felt so good id be spontaneously breaking into really loud whilstling or singing. There was none of that this time, maybe there were other factors at play like maybe i was 'in a better place' last time compared to this time, but as i finished off the last of it, it was as if i was re-learning to appreciate the subtle fuzzy glow it brings. So yeah no bells and whistles this time, not gonna be another repeat of developing another ODT habit, the way my tolerance has shot up over the last fortnight means it would very quickly become unsustainable and unafforable, and just not worth it.

I may return for more, from time to time, if it remains available, but keeping my tolerance low and not allowing myself to develop a habit again seems much higher on the agenda this time round, compared to the last.
 
I was silly and mixed a myriad of resp. depressants with my batch I got a couple-a-weeks ago, but managed to get a good nod from it quite a few times.

More of a "Antidepressant" than a Euphoric substance for me, and I agree with you Shambolly that O-DT should have been the fucking drug for companies to pounce upon!

A much better painkiller and those horrible WD's of Tramadol are shear pissy-pittance with regards to the "discontinuation syndrome" AND Opioid withdrawal you've to go through.
 
I loved this one!
Hope its the same stuff, felt like a full opiate, nowt like tramadol and was the repeatedly the most euphoric opiate high/nod i've ever experienced. Causes addiction and WD like any other opi & wd lasts about the same time as h withdrawal IME, havnt tried it for years i hope itl have similar effects with a few years of addiction behind me ha
 
Howdy :) good to hear it sounds like the real deal, whats your tolerance like?
 
I've had one week on daily ODT a few summers back, when it first appearead, excellent material, goes incredibly well with kratom.

I remember posting about it on here back in the day, however with the current prices I'll skip. Back then it was a whole gram for the price a half currently goes for. Too much.
 
Did anyone else try IVing it when it was about before? I did once or twice but it had no positive effects for some strange reason

I was in that 'krypton kratom' stuff aswel before, was it actually sprayed on kratom or was that just odt on herbs?
 
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