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Treacle said:
So, you could use it to withdraw from GBL?
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No idea, but just because the withdrawl is similar to GBL doesn't mean it would necessarily help.

I have heard that Phenibut is similar to GBL in how it feels, only less fucked up alcohol type effects with a more clear headed high.

I would guess that just as some people seem much more prone to getting addicted to GBL than others, without willpower seeming to come into it, the same might be true of phenibut. If you are going through GBL withdrawal the last thing you'd want is to get addicted to something similar.

I'll report back once I've tried some as to how similar they are and the addictive potential...
 
mulberryman said:
I can attest that GABA does in fact have psychoactive effects, even when taken alone. I think this importance of crossing the BBB is overstated, ephedrine barely croses it, and is a potent stimulant. Loperamide does not cross it at all, and can cause drowsiness in opiate naive-tolerant people. I have personally found 1-3 grams of powdered GABA to be quite relaxing, and 5-6 grams to be intensely sedating.
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Fair dos. From what I've read, it doesn't work. Perhaps in higher doses, it does. Maybe someone else has tried it, on here?
 
Piracetam is working nicely. Sometimes I get a bit manic, it's true..but generally it does help concentration.
 
By a "bit manic" how exactly do you mean?

I could definitely use with improving concentration, without a doubt but I don't like the sound of mania.
 
If you want to avoid the slight tendency to mania with Piracetam there are two things to remember.

1. Some of the reported doses you read about on bluelight / erowid / whatever are very high. I take 800mg a day, just in the morning, compared to some people taking a gram or 2 twice a day or more. Maybe I'm particularly sensitive to the stuff, but once I get used to it I fine I can often get away with dropping my dose considerably and still get the positive effects without mania.

2. Piracetam potentiates all the stimulants I've ever tried it in combination with. I had to cut my consumption of Tea (caffeine) to about half or even a third what it was when I wasn't taking Piracetam or else I got the slightly manic effects again. If i drank a hole can of coca cola the effects were considerable. I didn't dare try the redbull.

For the benefit of TheSpade and others, when I talk about Mania produced by Piracetam I mean something a little along the lines of way to much amphetamine or even caffeine, but generally not quite so bad (especially the amphetamine).

For example, it can still seem to be helping with the workload but I suddenly realise that I've been fidgeting at 5 x my normal rate or taping out the rhythm to the William Tell Overture with my fingers on the desk, faster and faster, instead of thinking about the problem i started off thinking about.

If it's really bad you get the impression that anyone you talked to that day will go away thinking you are wired on something stronger than caffeine (not a good thing at work).

Basically it becomes counter productive and you kind of wish you hadn't bothered to take any at all.
 
Ah so it's not all gravy then. :\

I keep forgetting to order it, now im not so sure.

Who else has experienced mania?
 
I dont kno if you've realised but I'm the master of the universe so maybe you should just keep in line or otherwise be punished, yeh get me. ;)
 
TheSpade said:
Ah so it's not all gravy then. :\

I keep forgetting to order it, now im not so sure.

Who else has experienced mania?
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Well yes, it's not a magical pixie drug of goodness and light with no negative side effects or downside whatsoever.

Like most drugs if you take too much there can be negative repercussions.

However, piracetam really is very safe. There is a huge difference between taking too much and getting a bit manic and taking too much and putting yourself in actual danger. Piracetam is (I find) very similar to caffeine in that it can be very useful, just so long as you don't down seven double espressos or the piracetam equivalent.

Just make sure you are careful and there is no reason to have to worry about mania. The dosage i take (800mg in the morning only) is pretty small compared to some people, but still large enough that once you've weighed it out once and eyeballed it sitting in a normally sized spoon you can dose by eye from then on without worrying about taking a little too much and getting manic. It's not like 2cb where an extra few mg can make all the difference.
 
Right coool.

Seems alright then, what other negatives / side effects are there? Have you experienced any of them?
 
I never experienced any mania. I wasn't doing massive doses, however. I think I need to start it, again.
 
TheSpade said:
Right coool.

Seems alright then, what other negatives / side effects are there? Have you experienced any of them?
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Insomia is an obvious one, again this is only really a problem for me if i either take too much piracetam or take it too late in the day. This is another reason why I ended up sticking to 1 dose of 800mg in the mornings only.

If I take it on an empty stomach it can make me feel a little naseaus for about 30 mins so I either wait until after brekfast or have it with a large cup of tea.

It tastes pretty foul, but no worse than many drugs I have tasted. I would describe the taste as a little sweet with a massively strong bitter component. It reminds me of the taste of aspartame (artificial sweetner, which i hate) only 50 x worse. Fortunately there isn't an after taste once you wash it down with a drink or something. Strangely, unlike the taste of mdma which i find slightly worse every time I take it, I have got used to the taste of piracetam and now find it easy to swallow.

It can give me a slight headache. Fortunately this is never very bad and fades quickly. This particular side effect is supposed to be lessened if you take a choline suppliment at the same time (which you can get cheaply from a health food store.

Can't think of much else, but I found these on wikipedia;

Symptoms of general excitability, including anxiety, insomnia, irritability, headache, agitation, nervousness, and tremor - are occasionally reported.[43][44]. Such symptoms seem more likely reported in connection with caffeine consumption (coffee), or with monosodium glutamate (a common additive in many processed foods). Effects can be reduced with magnesium supplements. Headache from use of piracetam may be alleviated by coadministration of an acetylcholine biosynthetic precursor, or a drug with cholinergic effects, such as choline bitarate, choline citrate, lecithin, cyprodenate or centrophenoxine.
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Yeah I was going to order some choline as well, was advised by others to do so. I'm skint right now so I'll need to wait till I get more cash.
 
Yeah...caffeine. Watch out for that. I never had trouble sleeping, personally, even with a morning and night time dose. Just watch out how much coffee you are drinking.
 
I dont touch it. Rarely even fizzy drinks, he says as he sups a can of coke. :)
 
Do you just take it in the morning and not at lunc or night??

I want to start with attack doses with Chloline. Im thinking 4.2 grams in the morning for 2-3 weeks, then going to 2 grams for another 2-3 weeks, then 800mg-1gram as i hear it is better this weay and you still get the same results as it builds up in your system or something, or your body gets more adjusted to absorbing it.

What dose chloline should I take, 2 grams, then tap[er down to one grtam when tapering the piracaetam?
 
boomp-ety-booomp.

Just 2 times a day you all say, once in morning?
3 times a day seems to induce insomnia right?
 
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